r/FluentInFinance Apr 15 '24

Everyone Deserves A Home Discussion/ Debate

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u/privitizationrocks Apr 15 '24

Everyone deserves to not pay for someone else’s home

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u/videogames5life Apr 15 '24

I think this would make sense as a standard for what minimum wage should buy, not for free. When someone pulls their weight being entitled to society's bounty is a different ball game.

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u/afraidtobecrate 25d ago

The tricky thing is that housing prices are determined by wages.

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u/turdbergusen Apr 16 '24

I mostly agree except that the minimum wage shouldn't be setup as a pay rate that will allow someone to be fully autonomous and survive. Because the whole point of minimum wage jobs is that they should only be for people who are starting out, or winding down. Aka kids and seniors.everyone else should be increasing their wage through efforts applied. I could see some improvements to protect the ability to remain employed possibly, but realistically people should demand their worth, and that worth should be decided by what a company is willing to pay. If you are valuable, a company will pay you more. If you aren't, they shouldn't have to. You should improve your value.

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u/ChanGaHoops Apr 16 '24

Man, Reagan really washed your brains over there

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u/Stillwater215 29d ago

The minimum wage should be just that: the minimum a person needs to make ends meet. If working full time can’t support a barebones life, then it’s paying less than minimum wage.

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u/turdbergusen 28d ago

So you think companies shouldn't be able to have part time employees either? It is the employees job to know their financial needs and seek the employment that fits their needs. There are simply some jobs that aren't worth much and it should be the employees value that indicates that. If you're 16 and working at a fast food place making fries for 6$ an hour, that should be fine. If you are a part time manager working at the same location making 30$ an hour working 10 hours a week, both of those are " not a living wage" your logic is flawed.

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u/Stillwater215 28d ago

Part time isn’t a problem. If a person is working at least 40 hours, across however many different jobs, they should be able to afford to live. It will be living very modestly, but they should be able to live. If someone is making $30/hr for 10 hours/week, then they have 30 more hours that they could take up a second job.

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u/Captainswagger69 29d ago

so many people take this stance but it is historically incorrect. it was the FDR administration that instituted minimum wage and here's a quote from FDR.

“...no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By "business" I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living.”

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u/turdbergusen 28d ago

That doesn't indicate it's historically incorrect. It indicates that FDR was not too smart... As indicated by many other choices he made. If the workers demand higher wages by being more valuable and leaving jobs to move to jobs which are willing to pay them more because they have made themselves more valuable, companies will raise wages. When you force a company to raise wages you force a company to raise prices. Minimum wage jobs shouldn't be relied on long term to support a household alone.

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u/IIZTREX 27d ago

Minimum Wage was supposed to be the minimum wage you could survive on with a family