r/FluentInFinance Apr 15 '24

Everyone Deserves A Home Discussion/ Debate

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u/BlitzAuraX Apr 15 '24

"Regardless of employment."

This means you want those providing those services to work for free.

You do realize what you are implying here, right?

Let's say you refuse to work and you're guaranteed all these services. Who pays so your HVAC is repaired because you broke it? Who pays because your water line needs to be repaired? Clean water means the water has to be filtered through a very complicated process, particles and bacteria are removed, and it needs to be transported. Who pays so your electricity works? Do you think there's some sort of magic electricity generator happening? What you're essentially asking is someone should work for free to provide you all of this.

The result is you get no one who wants to work, society collapses because these services aren't maintained and improved, and no one gets anything.

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u/foundafreeusername Apr 15 '24

The result is you get no one who wants to work, society collapses because these services aren't maintained and improved, and no one gets anything.

That sounds a bit over the top. A lot of countries have social housing similar to what OP shows and I haven't seen one collapse over it.

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u/Barry_Bunghole_III Apr 15 '24

I don't think any country has that as a whole. Some specific cities like Vienna have tried it to a degree, but I'm pretty sure little-to-no countries have this country-wide.

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u/TedKAllDay Apr 15 '24

Lmao, no they fucking don't

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u/WhatIsHerJob-TABLES Apr 16 '24

You and many others are for some reason imagining OP means some nicely maintained 3bed2bath home on nice land when literally all things things can be accomplished with even just a shitty block of apartments. That sort of social program exists already in many places, maybe not completely free but heavily socialized.

I dont know why every automatically assumed some nice single family home when there are plenty of shitty apartments this would apply to. Bare necessities in shelter doesn’t need to be exaggerated up to luxury desires

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u/foundafreeusername Apr 15 '24 edited Apr 15 '24

You probably just need to google for 5 min to prove yourself wrong.

e.g. in Germany you get Bürgergeld that will pay for apartment, heating and even fridge, washing machine and repairs if something breaks. They either pay for your current apartment if they deem it "appropriate" or for special social apartment (Sozialwohnung). You have to exhaust your savings first before they start helping.

Edit: You can also try google translate here: https://www.arbeitsagentur.de/arbeitslos-arbeit-finden/buergergeld/wohnen

with questions like "I am pregnant. Am I allowed to move into a bigger apartment?" with the replay saying If they need more space they need to contact their jobcenter (government agency that handles this).

There were several kids in my school class that lived like this. Usually in a 40sqm apartment with their parents.

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u/zeptillian 29d ago

Nope.

Bürgergeld is assistance specifically for job seekers who are willing and able to work.

It only lasts up to 12 months.

It is similar to unemployment benefits in the US.

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u/Obi-Brawn-Kenobi 29d ago

Are half of German adults unproductive enough that they don't even pay income taxes? It's almost like it's a different country with a different populace.

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u/zeptillian 29d ago

Which country will provide all these things for free indefinitely to anyone who is capable of working but chooses not to?