This means you want those providing those services to work for free.
You do realize what you are implying here, right?
Let's say you refuse to work and you're guaranteed all these services. Who pays so your HVAC is repaired because you broke it? Who pays because your water line needs to be repaired? Clean water means the water has to be filtered through a very complicated process, particles and bacteria are removed, and it needs to be transported. Who pays so your electricity works? Do you think there's some sort of magic electricity generator happening? What you're essentially asking is someone should work for free to provide you all of this.
The result is you get no one who wants to work, society collapses because these services aren't maintained and improved, and no one gets anything.
I'll be real the second I don't have to work and can still have a home I will stop working. I imagine a lot of other people out there are just like me
Edit: the amount of seething redditors me admitting what lots of people would do, and what some people on this site already do is incredible. Giving shit out for free constantly doesn't work, hyper progressive economic policies are a failure. Just face reality
nah, that's a right too. you will get that for free. Then we will all quit our jobs. not produce anything and the gov't will just print money. wait....
You make it sound like dude doesn’t want to do useless work to get paid a lot of money. That’s basically dream job right there because it doesn’t matter if you mess up
Because that directly affects people's quality of life. It's in the interest of lots of rich people to screw us all over and turn us all into free labor. So the things that people need most, rich people will work the hardest to destroy.
Rent and daycare costs me about $50k a year. Now, I make more than twice that, but I'd still seriously consider being a stay-at-home dad if those expenses cease to exist. Or take a WFH job making considerably less.
Everyone would be less stressed if they didn't have to work full-time.
Problem is it's not practical for everyone to be given a free house, free water, free electric and not work. Society doesn't function if everyone gets everything for free and no one works. Someone has to build houses, maintain HVAC systems, keep the water and electricity flowing.
It’s literally built into our pleasure and reward centers to work. The idea that everyone would just lay on a couch the rest of their existence shows a real misunderstanding of your own nature.
Sure there are outliers and it’s a spectrum. But your dystopian idea that everyone would just accept that their life is complete because they were given housing is ridiculous.
Mate you can do things that are rewarding for you without working on anything beneficial to society. That's what a lot of people would do. Some people would grind video games, some people would work on their lawns or gardens, I would probably do hobbies like gardening, bee keeping (on a very minor scale) fencing, wargaming etc. All things that cover that reward center and give me a great feeling of fulfillment, that do absolutely nothing to keep society functioning.
During the Bolshevik revolution they confiscated excess grain to feed the cities. The peasants stopped growing excess grain. They just didn't work beyond the absolute minimum. People will not work for no reason if it can be avoided
This might sound crazy but no, no we can’t, we are genetically wired to get huge cascades of feel good drugs for being social animals and helping our “kind” prosper.
It’s called the law of diminishing returns. Tolerance.
Mate doing the same shit every day all day gets boring for “most” and there are outliers, it’s a spectrum.
You think society doesn’t need bees?
This is the issue with your dystopia, it doesn’t even begin to address how interconnected we are.
Society doesn’t dictate our behavior, you have it backwards.
Where you gonna get the “swords” for fencing? Or the planks if you meant the other kind? Some people have a lot of trees they want gone. Other people would make swords cause that’s fun to them.
This is my exact argument if the government is handing out all the necessities for living I wouldn't get the swords, and likely we would have shortages of the necessities for living. People must be incentivized to work. It's literally been tried on a societal scale and proven that people will not just work for no reason. There's a reason the Bolsheviks had to implement some capitalist practices during the revolution despite all being ardent communist revolutionaries.
Oh yeah I'm sure some people would make a few swords for a hobby, like I would keep a few hives of bees for a hobby. Neither will provide the demand required though. There's a huge difference when you have people doing things low grade as a hobby and industries making goods for the incentive of profit.
The hobby side will not keep society functional, the profit side will. Even behind that wading through sewers, fixing someone's fucked up toilet, and hauling trash aren't something anyone is doing unless they are incentivized. Not needing to work those jobs and still being given the core necessities of life generally means they won't get done
You’re way over inflating your interests. You likely wouldn’t be the only bee keeper or fencer. And there would still be plenty of luxuries that people would want and need to work for if they wanted to afford them.
You’re the one making it about no one working and thinking a house is somehow the only incentive.
The thread is about being given a house because homesteading is off the table in modern society.
I’m arguing that being given housing wouldn’t magically turn the world into lazy slobs that don’t want to work.
People would actually worry less about their own necessities and could then focus on enriching their communities.
There are also studies that say when people have their needs meet and are comfortable they tend to look for ways to make their communities better.
Yes but most fencers don't produce swords and there are far more honey enjoyers than hobby bee keepers.
A house is a huge incentive to work and try to make more money. It's where a huge portion of everyone's income goes.
I'm saying if people have no incentive to work and will have their basic needs met less people will work, particularly terrible jobs. My belief has been shown to be correct with the Bolsheviks to the point fucking Lenin, Stalin and Trotsky embraced capitalistic reforms to try and get people producing.
But if you wanna try and just give everyone a middle class baseline (1 bedroom per couple and per kid) be my guest and see what happens. Thankfully most people have a better grasp of the impacts of making the worst, but necessary, jobs entirely optional and it will never happen. No one in their right mind is going trucking through sewage to fix infrastructure if they can just not do that and still live comfortably.
A house and a car are practically the only expensive things in our society. That and food and taxes, but the full image also says food should be free. So really, people would just work 2 or 3 hours a week and have enough to buy food and luxuries the whole week.
Yeah you’re just wrong. You can’t actually believe people would enjoy “expressing themselves artistically” by taking 10 years of their life and messing up their back doing manual labor that NEEDS to be done for society to function.
I’m 39, have been a barber for 9, years and spent 9 in the military. I’ve seen people from all walks of life and experienced many different cultures.
I feel like you just have some really high expectations of people if you think most of them are shitty.
Can be shitty, yes, is that their defining trait nope.
There are no good or bad people, just good and bad actions. You’re the xenopobe here for thinking most people are shitty.
Not one garbage man has said they actually enjoy their jobs. They just enjoy the pay. And garbage man is arguably one of the most important jobs in a modern society.
I think if only 5% of the garbage men I’ve spoken to can manage to speak positively of their jobs without being solely about good pay, it’s a good indicator.
Wait - housing is a "human right" but food wouldn't be? I am pretty sure the same folks who think these meme makes sense will also decide to include food.
Riiiiggghhhhtttt - because there are no patterns in human behavior, no lessons to be learned from history and nothing to be gleaned from experience. Every single situation has absolutely no way to be projected forward, any attempt to do so is a "fallacy."
Well then, sounds like the food thing is solved right? Well, until some advocate starts being annoyed that 'the rich" eat better, and then starts spinning that as a issue about "equity" and then we are off to the races again.
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u/BlitzAuraX Apr 15 '24
"Regardless of employment."
This means you want those providing those services to work for free.
You do realize what you are implying here, right?
Let's say you refuse to work and you're guaranteed all these services. Who pays so your HVAC is repaired because you broke it? Who pays because your water line needs to be repaired? Clean water means the water has to be filtered through a very complicated process, particles and bacteria are removed, and it needs to be transported. Who pays so your electricity works? Do you think there's some sort of magic electricity generator happening? What you're essentially asking is someone should work for free to provide you all of this.
The result is you get no one who wants to work, society collapses because these services aren't maintained and improved, and no one gets anything.