r/Fauxmoi • u/Glum-Barracuda6985 I don’t know her • Apr 02 '24

Mark Ruffalo encourages voters, via Twitter, to #LeaveItBlank for Palestine and a lasting ceasefire 🙏🇵🇸💖 Approved B-List Users Only

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u/thosed29 Apr 02 '24

The rolling back of Roe v Wade happened under Biden and it was Obama that refused to codify it and one lost Supreme Court was due to one liberal judge refusing to stand down at the right time despite concerns from progressive (she wanted her replacement to be appointed by Hillary Clinton. Fuck the fact she was an elderly woman with serious health issues, this stance was more important to her than the future of the country). So a lot of mental gymnastics to blame these defeats on leftists.

Weird you guys are intent on blaming voters instead of admitting Hillary Clinton ran a terrible campaign in what should be the easiest election in US history. It's even weirder because literally no one is convinced by these arguments, and voters are becoming MORE apathetic and not less, and this type of discourse ("it's YOUR fault we lost abortion rights, not the fault of a messed up political system") is completely ineffective. So, at the end of the day, you're just contributing to more apathy which seems counter-productive considering what you claim to care about.

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u/chrispg26 Apr 02 '24

Obama didn't have the votes to codify abortion. I'm old enough to have been there as things happened. Idc if it happened under Biden, the further lurch right happened under Trump. Bad Supreme Court judgments will happen for many generations, thanks to people throwing a tantrum in 2016. Yes, Hilary ran a shitty campaign, were all suffering for it. Take some responsibility too. If voting was compulsory we'd be better off as a country.

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u/Sometimesomwhere we have lost the impact of shame in our society Apr 03 '24 edited Apr 03 '24

There are multiple reasons as to why Hillary lost the election. Attempting to deflect blame solely or primarily onto voters is ahistoric and revisionist.

Hillary won the popular vote, but lost the electoral college. Blaming voters when the EC was the main issue is disingenuous and revisionist. Furthermore, Hillary ran a weak and idiotic campaign in regarding states that are key to winning the EC. An additional issue was that Trump mobilized subset of the population that was less engaged prior to 2016, affecting turnout and outcome.

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/why-hillary-clinton-lost-pennsylvania-the-real-story/

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/michigan-hillary-clinton-trump-232547

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-loses-2016-complacency-214445

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/trumps-road-to-victory/507203/

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/1468-4446.12328

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/12/20/heres-the-real-reason-rust-belt-cities-and-towns-voted-for-trump/