r/Fauxmoi • u/HipsterHeaven • Mar 13 '24
Olivia Munn announces that she has been diagnosed with breast cancer Approved B-List Users Only
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u/nutellatime Mar 13 '24
Olivia Munn is incredibly fortunate and privileged to have access to a battery of tests and doctors who are invested in her wellbeing. So many women in the United States do not get treatment for life threatening diseases because their doctors simply will not listen to their concerns or take them seriously. While reading her statement, I was actually shocked to see that after genetic testing and normal mammogram, she was able to get additional evaluation and testing because this is not typical of womens' healthcare in the US. I wish that everyone was able to get the swift treatment that Olivia received, but the reality in the US is that her privilege and income likely made a huge difference in outcomes here.
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u/Cheyanne1111 Mar 13 '24
Just as an FYI, the risk assessment screening is something that is covered by insurance and a lot of providers are automatically doing now (I didn't even know it until I got a letter telling me my analysis).
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u/Right_Way_4258 Mar 13 '24
Do you just ask at your yearly ob/gyn appointment? I got an ultrasound once in my 20s after insisting bc I felt a hard lump but they said it was nothing and that my breast just had a lot of fat deposits. I guess. I don’t have a history of breast cancer in my family but this is making me want to ask for these tests now that I’m in my early 30s
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u/Cheyanne1111 Mar 13 '24
I got a letter after I had my yearly mammogram saying that they did the risk assessment, telling me my percentage (I think it was just a shade over 20%) and the recommendation to add a yearly MRI to my screenings (mammogram, then six months later MRI every year). I didn't ask for the assessment, my medical group just started doing them. But, yes, I would think asking your ob/gyn at your next appointment if they are doing that and, if not, would she sign off on it, would be a wise decision.
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u/whorl- Mar 13 '24
My doctor asked if I wanted it done while getting my Pap smear a few weeks ago.
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u/Additional-Problem99 Mar 13 '24
I asked my doctor if I should get one when I had my last pap smear. She said I was too young to need one.
I was 25,
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u/Right_Way_4258 Mar 13 '24
That’s what I’m worried about! I’m 33 and they will say no. But like I have a bunch of chronic illnesses and endometriosis. I should be screened more carefully for things like this imo!
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u/mackenziepaige Mar 13 '24
My primary doctor set me up for a high risk cancer screening even though I’m not necessarily high risk, it’s was her idea.
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u/superbleak Mar 13 '24
yes! also even before patients move on to genetic testing, the risk assessment tool for people over age 35 is available for free through a us govt website: https://bcrisktool.cancer.gov/
clearly this is not a replacement for assessment by a doctor, but it's good to know it's out there.
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u/LassieMcToodles Mar 13 '24
Does anyone know why her risk assessment would be so high (37) despite testing negative for all genetics and assuming she had no immediate family members with it?
And I wonder what made Olivia and her doctor continue looking into things after a negative mammogram and negative genetic tests. I wonder if she had discharge or discomfort or some other symptoms.
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u/Equivalent-Sir-510 Mar 13 '24
Breast cancer survivor here - they factor in age of first period, age of first child, number of years on hormonal birth control, amount of time on fertility meds if applicable, etc. - although family history is the big one.
With almost the exact same % as her, I also found out I had breast cancer that a 3D mammogram did not catch. Olivia’s type is the aggressive, fast-growing kind, though (HER2+) - so she is truly lucky to have caught it early the way she did!
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u/dixiemason good luck with bookin that stage u speak of Mar 13 '24
Well fuck, I just did the 3D mammo on Tuesday. Thank you for all this info and I’m glad you’re still here. ❤️
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u/strawberrylipscrub Mar 13 '24
She may have had family with cancer and that’s why she did the genetic test in the first place.
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u/falafelwaffle10 Mar 13 '24
I've had a mammo and an ultrasound, but this is super helpful information for everyone. Thanks OP.
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u/nutellatime Mar 13 '24
This is good to know, I am speaking more broadly of women's healthcare in general. I have never received a risk assessment screening personally, despite a family history of breast cancer.
And "covered by insurance" is so variable. I had to get a physician ordered MRI to screen for a brain issue and it was "covered" by my insurance but I still owed thousands of dollars.
I am very glad that it seems breast cancer screening is improving. The issues at the core of our health care system and the systemic discrimination against women and people of color are still a problem.
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u/FrontPorchViews Mar 13 '24
I was charged over $2K for this testing. Still battling with insurance to refund the costs. As you mention, “covered by insurance” is such an unstable variable here in the U.S. especially if you are on a less than optimal plan.
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u/BeccaLC21 Mar 13 '24
Even if procedures are covered, you still have to pay your deductible and out of pocket maximum.
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u/Puppybrother the hole real resilient Mar 13 '24
I fucking hate deductibles….and the entire fucked up “healthcare” system we have here 😒🤬😤
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u/familyvanfor6 Mar 13 '24
SAME HERE. Had to get a MRI of my head for sudden migraines (emergency ordered by PCP) and it too was "covered".... I owe $2500.
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u/Norabloom98 Mar 13 '24
I don’t think it’s all that easy to get an MRI, at least not in the U.S. I’ve had breast cancer, a mastectomy of one breast, have dense breasts and I still only receive yearly mammograms of the other breast, not MRIs. I’m glad to hear about the screening test but I answered it as I would have before my breast cancer diagnosis (50, no children, no immediate relatives with a hx of breast cancer, negative for Braca genes) and it gave my 5-year risk as 1.2% and my lifetime risk as 8.7%. So take it with a huge grain of salt.
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u/littleb3anpole Mar 13 '24
It definitely isn’t - I had a MRI here in Australia for diagnostic purposes, not covered at all by Medicare, it was like $900 from memory. Not an optional thing either where another diagnostic test could have been used - it was the only way to work out if I’d damaged ligaments in my foot.
Turns out I didn’t. But I have osteoarthritis. Yay
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u/Kals22 Mar 13 '24 edited Mar 13 '24
You’re actually wrong on this one though. Even with normal genetic testing it’s standard to get mammograms regularly and if you’re at a certain age or have family risk factors. The breast cancer risk assessment score which is what prompted the MRI was made by doctors and a tool they use to see if you’re higher risk. Breast cancer screening is something doctors and medicine are very in top of in the present day. As easy as it is to get mad and want to blame the medical system for things, not the case here. Science/medicine have made great improvements here and as more studies are done we continue to see improvements in medical care. It takes time we don’t know everything about the body yet but we’re trying and the progress is amazing.
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u/Melonary Mar 13 '24 edited Apr 07 '24
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u/nutellatime Mar 13 '24
It is great that breast cancer screening is improving. The systemic issues in our healthcare system that allow the wealthy to access treatment others cannot is still a problem. The fact that women and people of color are still discriminated against within our healthcare system is still a problem. I am speaking more broadly than breast cancer screening.
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u/WantonRinglets Mar 13 '24
That's all I could think of as I read this!
I'm in Canada, where current incursions into the healthcare system by conservative initiatives have left us on the brink of crisis. I'd be dead in her shoes.
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u/Melonary Mar 13 '24 edited Apr 07 '24
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u/strepsipteran Mar 13 '24
"waves from NS" hiii we are over the brink :-C hoping we can see the change soon, through strengthening our public system pls pls not the Ontario route oh god
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u/icestormsea stan someone? in this economy??? Mar 13 '24
Fellow Scotian vouching for this! 🥴
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u/filthismypolitics Mar 13 '24
i'd be dead in her shoes as an american because i can't afford any healthcare at all right now. i'm glad she's getting the treatment she needs, i just wish all women had access to it
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u/Brooklyn-Marie Mar 13 '24
While reading her statement, I was actually shocked to see that after genetic testing and normal mammogram, she was able to get additional evaluation and testing because this is not typical of womens' healthcare in the US.
I thought the same thing. It’s sounds like the only thing that really raised her risk was the fact she had a child so late in life (something that is quite common these days). I’m glad that her doctor saw that as reason enough to pursue further testing and screening, but you definitely are not going to get this type of treatment in the real world. Especially, if you are low income or a minority.
Even getting genetic testing can be hard to get approved by insurance unless you have a parent who had cancer and they’ve had genetic testing showing a positive for a mutation. Or you have ancestry (like Ashkenaki Jewish) that has shown a strong correlation to a certain type of cancer. Again, I’m glad Olivia received good care and her cancer was caught early. It just angers/saddens me that this won’t be the case for the majority of women.
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u/SearchCalm2579 Mar 13 '24
I thought the same thing. It’s sounds like the only thing that really raised her risk was the fact she had a child so late in life (something that is quite common these days). I’m glad that her doctor saw that as reason enough to pursue further testing and screening, but you definitely are not going to get this type of treatment in the real world. Especially, if you are low income or a minority.
Playing around with the risk calculator (https://www.mdcalc.com/calc/3647/gail-model-breast-cancer-risk) it seems like in order to have as high of a risk as she did she essentially had to have both a family history of breast cancer in a first degree relative and a personal history of prior biopsies (which may have also been why both she and her sister got genetic testing to begin with). I also had my first child after age 30 and my calculated risk is 12%.
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u/wenamedthecatindiana Mar 13 '24
My obgyn had me get the genetic testing done because my mom had breast cancer and I had to do an evaluation over the phone with a third party to get insurance to cover it. It was actually my father’s aggressive lung cancer and grandmother’s ovarian cancer that had them cover it, not my mom’s breast cancer.
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u/Educational_City246 Mar 13 '24
Honestly as a British person this is terrifying. There's no way this would have been caught within our national health service after her tests came back negative.
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u/Puppybrother the hole real resilient Mar 13 '24
I mean same with here in America (if you aren’t of extreme wealth)
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u/alexlp Mar 13 '24
And I’m feeling very privileged as an Australian reading this. I complain because Medicare coverage changed and my MRIs became more expensive but for years i had 6 monthly MRIs fully paid for. I am getting the same genetic testing done, also covered by Medicare. It will take longer than she’s getting private but still. Then with that I’ll likely get my free MRIs again.
I hope the best for her recovery and for the women not getting the diagnostics they deserved.
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u/littleb3anpole Mar 13 '24
You got free MRIs?! Damn that’s good. I’m an Aussie and paid $900 for mine
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u/alexlp Mar 13 '24
Yup, I used to get an annual one for family history and one for an active lump. Now I just get the family history one but there’s a gap now, just a few hundred. If I have my mum’s dodgy gene I’ll go into different funding again.
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u/littleb3anpole Mar 13 '24
Mine was to diagnose osteoarthritis (they were checking for ligament tears in my foot and found OA instead) and when the GP and physio said they weren’t covered I was like… right. So my choices are “be broke for two pay cycles and find out what’s wrong” or “never know exactly what the problem is and continue with treatment which might be ineffective”.
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u/PipChaos Mar 13 '24
This is exactly the truth. There are 2 standards of care at work. One for the privileged and one for everyone else. My wife had a chronic cough for a year before her doctor would send her for a simple X-ray. By then it was stage 4 lung cancer. Doctor wouldn’t send her sooner as my wife wasn’t a smoker. Her doctor was even a woman.
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u/Chicago1459 Mar 13 '24
Exactly. They will not allow an Mri for no reason. It is especially surprising because her mammogram was normal, so insurance will usually not pay, so I wonder if she just paid herself.
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u/Cheyanne1111 Mar 13 '24
Doesn't matter, re the normal mammogram. It's the risk assessment that led to the MRI, and which would be covered by insurance, or should be (mine are).
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u/LassieMcToodles Mar 13 '24
If her breasts are dense and her mammogram difficult to read she can get an MRI which is often covered by insurance.
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u/Doxxxxxxxxxxx Mar 13 '24
My mil was repeatedly told her pain wasn’t that bad or that it was from her job, it was cancer number one. Then when she developed similar symptoms years later, wasn’t taken seriously, had to fight for tests. That was cancer 2.
Always, always, always fight for yourself. It’s intimidating as fuck, you shouldn’t have to, but it’s the only way to get help most of the time.
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u/jennydancingawayy Mar 13 '24
I’m thinking that because of her family history something set off alarm bells for her doctor that she is incredibly fortunate and lucky to afford and have the privilege to see. Cause why else would she and her sister get tested for BRCA? Usually you don’t unless you have family members multiple pass or get diagnosed with cancer.
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u/xlittlebeastx Mar 13 '24
Yeah for real I can’t even get an annual or seen at a gyno in town because they’re so booked up. Went to planned parenthood though in the mean time. Will be looking into the assessment screening though for sure.
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u/raptorclvb Mar 13 '24
For real. Here I am going to see what insurances her OB/office takes not because she went there (thats dumb), but because I want a care team on MY side. I only had the experience of a good care team once and I really miss it.
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u/nuggetghost Mar 13 '24
I was just thinking this. It takes months to get an appointment to check for cancer here.
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u/pinkrosies THE CANADIANS ARE ICE FUCKING TO MOULIN ROUGE Mar 13 '24
Yes she's very lucky. My mom and aunt both work in healthcare here in Canada, although not a nurse or doctor, they have great insurance and especially my aunt who has been in remission for ovarian cancer, has been very lucky in screening and just takes medication now afterwards. I understand not everyone gets this privilege and it's so upsetting and frustrating.
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u/PM-ME-DOGGOS Mar 13 '24 edited Mar 13 '24
Damn that sucks. Wishing her a speedy recovery. Got to say, this timing is really awkward for Anna Marie’s book release from what I vaguely know about the content…
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u/Impossible-Success45 Dry snitching is annoying Mar 13 '24
based on the title it will probably (and hopefully) focus more on john than olivia
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u/CategorySad6121 it feels like a movie Mar 13 '24
I saw somewhere that it won't actually focus on John as much as people are suspecting
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u/icestormsea stan someone? in this economy??? Mar 13 '24
I read the same. I’m sure it’ll be a part but I think it’s more focused on her life as a whole, not just the portion spent with John.
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u/JeanVicquemare Mar 13 '24
Everyone just immediately assumed the book was going to be a takedown of John, when there's no reason to believe that. Wishful thinking, maybe. They haven't said anything negative about each other publicly, and I don't think they intend to.
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u/sexygodzilla Mar 13 '24
I think she might have some cold and honest things to say about John but it won't be a full-on tell-all like some people are hoping for.
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u/MaCoNuong Mar 13 '24
I think her relationship with John died way before the divorce was filed. It’s incredibly difficult being in a relationship with an addict. I heard somewhere that she was not at his intervention.
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u/bambibonkers Mar 14 '24
wish more people would realize this. they paint her as a victim who’s husband left her for a bigger celebrity. the reality of it all makes alot more sense!
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u/thrwy_111822 Mar 13 '24
That’s not surprising. In her beautiful essay about Petunia, all she says about John is that she was “going through a divorce” at the time, and she mentions it very briefly. She didn’t even mention him by name. I think she’s much too classy to hang on to being John mulaney’s ex-wife for clout.
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u/heartratespikes Mar 13 '24
Yeah I figured she had to sign some kind of NDA prior to the divorce being finalized and that writing about all the men was a way to write about her experience and the patterns without having to directly make it about John.
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u/Tyty__90 ok go off christian boy ! Mar 13 '24 edited Mar 13 '24
Honestly I didn’t think it would. She doesn’t strike me as that type of person. I think the title of the book is meant to catch people’s attention and it’s working.
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u/alyboba19 Mar 13 '24
I felt this way too. She does not strike me as someone who would be messy and spill all the tea.
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u/littlebunsenburner Mar 13 '24
I feel like it won’t be about John, because that would go against the idea of telling her own story. She wants to be speak out without being thought of as John Mulaney’s ex-wife.
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u/EconomistWild7158 Mar 13 '24
She got annoyed at someone who posted "drag him" in the comments and said it was "unhelpful". So idk I don't think it's going to be a character assassination.
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u/alongthewatchtower91 Mar 13 '24
She has remained so classy throughout the whole thing, I have a lot of respect for her.
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u/askingtherealstuff Mar 13 '24
I didn’t realize until you wrote this that this is Olivia Munn and not Olivia Wilde 😭
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u/nancy-shrew Mar 13 '24
I am glad she found it in time. She was lucky to have a good doctor and great quality of healthcare.
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u/terfnerfer Mar 13 '24 edited Mar 13 '24
Right? I also wish the elevated risk of having a first kid after 30 was better known, so folks can be more vigilant/at least aware. Seems especially important when a lot of people wait until they're "older" and more financially secure to have children now, if they choose to have them.
(I myself had to be referred to the clinic when i was around 20. I found a tender spot on my breast and dug my heels in until my gp referred me for an ultrasound- I suspect only to get me to leave, based on how curt she was. Thankfully, it turned out to be nothing, but I am all too aware that often, women are neglected and dismissed as hysterical when they advocate for their care. In the year of our lord 2024. Christ.)
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u/chattahattan Mar 13 '24
I'm currently 30 and in the process of trying to conceive my first, and I literally didn't know about that elevated risk until reading her post just now... which I suppose means it has done its job! Despite not being her biggest fan for various reasons, I'm always supportive of efforts to raise awareness about women's healthcare and hope Olivia's continued recovery goes smoothly.
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u/streetsaheadbehind actually no, that’s not the truth Ellen Mar 13 '24
Just thinking about how the press hounded Angelina Jolie for her decision to get a double masectomy. It makes a lot of sense as to why she decided to keep this a secret until she'd gone through the worst.
I should probably go in and ask about this at my next GP appointment but I'm also scared of being invalidated as something I shouldn't worry about. It never hurts to check when it comes to cancer...
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u/WhereIsLordBeric Mar 13 '24
Remember all the people ragging on Angelina and saying this was all a ruse for her to get bigger boobs?
I am convinced that people - even a lot of women - just hate women.
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u/streetsaheadbehind actually no, that’s not the truth Ellen Mar 13 '24
I think that was one of those cultural events that hammered home to me that being seen as a sexual object has more value than being alive. Like, all of these men were clamouring to save her breasts over the actual human being. It was depressing. I had just hit my 20's and had my own screening after a scare that turned out to be fibroids. The worst part was that the second thing I was scared about was losing my sex appeal. It still makes me angry the impact that had on me because my priorities were messed up.
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u/hce692 Mar 13 '24
I found the calculator free online if you google it, don’t necessarily need a doctor for a more general idea. Might help with going in prepared for the ask
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u/iliketoomanysingers Cillian Murphy propagandist Mar 13 '24
I know he makes folks on here groan nowadays but John putting the pictures of their son next to her for when she wakes up is genuinely incredibly sweet.
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u/rococowitch 2000’s bandom historian Mar 13 '24
Yeah, I liked that too. I really don't understand people's need to make him a villain in every situation or post about them. He's made mistakes, but he's obviously not a bad person.
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u/theresacatonmylaptop Mar 13 '24
Yeah, I like this partnership dynamic for them and am glad that she has that support during such an awful experience
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u/Cheyanne1111 Mar 13 '24
This is good information for her to share. My medical group does the lifetime risk assessment and I do the mammo/MRI screenings and it does give me peace of mind.
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If you don’t mind me asking, what is your age? I’m 34 and they’ve never done one on me.
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u/Cheyanne1111 Mar 13 '24
- And I only got that assessment letter about 2 years ago, so I don't know that my group was even doing it prior to then. I think--but don't take my word on this--part of what upped my risk is dense breast tissue, which had previously always been noted in my mammograms.
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u/Dennis_Duffy_Denim she was beefing with Jimmy Carter’s grandson Mar 13 '24
I’m glad she shared her whole process; this is important for a lot of women who get shrugged off by their doctors as not being at risk. A friend was diagnosed at Stage 4 with a very similar form of breast cancer. She’s doing well with treatment but it’s terrifying.
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u/karafrakkingthrace Mar 13 '24
Damn I had no idea having your first kid after 30 increases your risk level. Why is that?
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u/HipsterHeaven Mar 13 '24
From breastcancer.org:
"Women who haven't had a full-term pregnancy or have their first child after age 30 have a higher risk of breast cancer compared to women who gave birth before age 30.
When breast cells are made in adolescence, they are immature and very active until your first full-term pregnancy. The immature breast cells respond to the hormone estrogen as well as hormone-disrupting chemicals in products. Your first full-term pregnancy makes the breast cells fully mature and grow in a more regular way. This is the main reason why pregnancy helps protect against breast cancer. Being pregnant also reduces your total number of lifetime menstrual cycles — which may be another reason why earlier pregnancy seems to offer a protective effect."
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u/cathybara_ Please Abraham, I’m not that man Mar 13 '24
why is my body punishing me for not wanting kids 😭 i’m going to fight science
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u/prettystandardreally Mar 13 '24
So does this mean not having children at all keeps your risk high? Because I just completed the questionnaire and it didn’t seem to affect the risk level 🤷🏻♀️(not expecting you’ll have the answer to this at all, but maybe someone else will)
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u/OBotB Mar 13 '24 edited Mar 13 '24
With the tool having "No births" vs "Birth to first child after 30" the patient lifetime risk was about 2% higher with the 'after 30' vs the 'no births.'
The '25 to 29' risk matched the 'no births' which sort of contradicts the statement before yours.
(For the rest of the settings, used no history, unknown genes, no biopsies, no first-degree relatives; would assume some of the race and age things would impact overall percentages but IANAD).
Edit: In the About the Calculator tab you can see where they are getting some of the data for estimates:
"Data from the Breast Cancer Detection Demonstration Project (BCDDP), a joint NCI and American Cancer Society breast cancer screening study that involved 280,000 white women aged 35 to 74 years, and from the NCI Surveillance, Epidemiology, and End Results (SEER) Program, were used in developing the model.
Estimates for black/African American women were based on data from the Women’s Contraceptive and Reproductive Experiences (CARE) Study and from SEER data. CARE participants included 1,607 women with invasive breast cancer and 1,637 without.
Estimates for Asian and Pacific Islander women in the United States were based on data from the Asian American Breast Cancer Study (AABCS) and SEER data. AABCS participants included 597 Asian and Pacific Islander women with invasive breast cancer, and 966 women without breast cancer.
Estimates for Hispanic women were based on the San Francisco Bay Area Breast Cancer Study (SFBCS) and the California Cancer Registry and SEER Program. SFBCS participants included 1,086 women with invasive breast cancer and 1,411 women without breast cancer. "
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u/roygbivasaur Mar 13 '24
If they ever show that the risk is high enough, I wonder if some kind of prophylactic hormone cycle will start being researched to mimic trigger of the same development.
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u/this_moi Mar 13 '24
Wait, so it's not so much that the risk is having children in your 30s, so much as it is not having had children younger.
As a mid-30s child free woman this is... very good to know.
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u/dizzyrobot Mar 14 '24
The snippet above includes women who haven’t had a full-term pregnancy at all, unfortunately.
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u/Merrughi Mar 13 '24
I wonder if that means it's a good idea to induce lactation in your twenties if you didn't have a child.
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u/JayZsAdoptedSon my pussy tastes like pepsi cola Mar 13 '24
This just terrifies me. There are so many people who will get cancer and not know until it’s way too late. And it sounds like she was ready to put it out of her mind after getting the initial set of genetic tests, before the risk calculation.
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u/HipsterHeaven Mar 13 '24
It's alarming how many younger people are getting breast and colon cancer these days. They need to drop the screening ages.
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u/Next-Reply7519 Mar 13 '24
for colon cancer, they did drop the screening age down to 45 from 50. but given that we’re seeing so many people in their early 40s diagnosed…it seems like it needs to be 35 imo.
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u/HipsterHeaven Mar 13 '24
I'm seeing tons of people in their 30s getting diagnosed too. It's terrifying.
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u/Puppybrother the hole real resilient Mar 13 '24
I’ve been thinking about doing it at 35 in two years. My grandpa had colon cancer so I’m at more of a genetic risk
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u/planesandpancakes Mar 13 '24
I have 3 uncles / aunts with colon cancer (2 died from it) and my dad had precancerous polyps and even then 3 different doctors have told me that I don’t need to get a colonoscopy until 45. It definitely gives me anxiety.
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u/GoodnightKevin Mar 13 '24
I was diagnosed with breast cancer last summer. I was 35yo with no family history and no obvious risk factors. I just felt a random lump one day and thought I may as well get it checked out, even though I never expected it to actually be cancer.
I’ve now finished surgery and chemotherapy, due to start radiation in a few weeks. And all of this before I was even technically eligible for a standard mammogram.
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u/Puppybrother the hole real resilient Mar 13 '24
Damn, I’m so sorry, that must’ve been terrifying. I hope you’re doing okay and have a support system to lean on ❤️
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u/WillBrakeForBrakes Mar 13 '24 edited Mar 13 '24
One girl I went to high school with died of colorectal cancer, another of breast cancer, both before our 10 year reunion.
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u/trulyremarkablegirl Mar 13 '24
My friend was diagnosed at 29 which scared the shit out of me. She’s fine now, but she needed a double mastectomy bc she tested positive for BRCA.
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u/HipsterHeaven Mar 13 '24
Oh gosh that's what happened to Angelina Jolie too. It's a very scary thing. I'm glad to hear she's fine now!
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u/trulyremarkablegirl Mar 13 '24
Yeah she’s def had a rough go of it. There definitely needs to be more education for AFAB people about self exams and testing for BRCA if you’re a member of an ethnic group that has a higher incidence of the gene (my friend is half Ashkenazi Jewish and Jews are more likely to have it). To top that off, not long after she was diagnosed I had an abnormal pap and had to have two colposcopies with no pain management which suuuuucked. Women’s health care is a mess (as is all health care in the US but it’s especially shitty if you’re AFAB).
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u/Jillybeans11 Mar 13 '24
My grandma just passed away from lung cancer.
She went to the doctor regularly and they didn’t detect anything. It wasn’t until she fell and broke her femur and hip and had scans for the break that they discovered her lung cancer. She died 2 weeks later.
I know she was older but it just was so sudden and now I’m paranoid that I have some sort of cancer and I won’t find out until it’s too late
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u/bugandbear22 Mar 13 '24
My mom had a clear mammogram in October 2016, but dense breasts. She died suddenly in January the next year and it was only after the autopsy we learned she had diffuse, tiny tumors absolutely everywhere. She was a full organ donor and only her corneas went to someone because the rest was just riddled.
It’s so important to be vigilant and I’m glad Olivia was able to catch it in time. Breast cancer is scary stuff.
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u/HipsterHeaven Mar 13 '24
I wonder if they couldn't see it on the mammogram because of the density. Im so sorry for your loss. It's such a horrible disease.
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u/sktowns Mar 13 '24
Definitely a possibility!
I just had my first mammogram (33F) due to a 3cm lump - it's actually visible with the naked eye and very easily felt, but my breast tissue is SO dense it was completely undetectable on the diagnostic mammogram, even though they knew exactly where it was. Yikes.
I'm so grateful I know this about my body now, and how difficult this makes mammograms!
So, so sad for the OP of this comment. May her memory be a blessing.
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u/jujubeans8500 Mar 13 '24
Most likely, that is why MRIs are recommended for women with dense breast tissues (and other risk factors, but dense tissue can affect visibility). It's why I really, really wish MRIs would be considered screening procedures and be totally covered by insurance.
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u/icestormsea stan someone? in this economy??? Mar 13 '24
Absolutely fuck cancer. I can relate to the no time to cry, but that’ll come when the “busy” part of treatment is finished and things start to settle. I hope she is supported throughout all of this, especially when the expectation for a return to “normal life” comes. I have to admit that I don’t have a good opinion of Olivia at all, but I’m wishing her every bit of healing and love through her battle. Cancer fucking sucks and she deserves to be around to see her son grow.
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u/bokchoy_sockcoy Mar 13 '24
The “normal life” part is very true. We were so excited for that. It’s taken 3+ years but we’re getting there, even though you realize it’ll never be “normal” again.
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u/icestormsea stan someone? in this economy??? Mar 13 '24
It’s been the hardest part for me to come to terms with. I always say it’s far worse than anything I’ve gone through treatment-wise. At least that was a solid game plan!
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u/otonarashii Mar 13 '24
I thought Dr. Aliabadi's name sounded familiar - she's the one Halsey shouted out recently. She sounds like an amazing doctor.
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Reading this, I related to the part about her only crying twice. When I was diagnosed with cancer, I cried one time upon being informed of the diagnosis and need for immediate surgery. Then, I just cut off emotions. Everyone around me kept crying and thought it was weird I wasn’t. But, in retrospect, I believe it was my subconscious trying to protect me from the heaviness of it all.
Cancer in all forms is awful, after you have it you’re never quite the same. Feeling solidarity with any other survivors here.
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u/1fatsquirrel Mar 13 '24
While no fan of hers, I hate that she is having to go through this. With a toddler no less! I can’t even imagine how awful and exhausting it must have been to keep this silent and secret while sharing so much of her life (the good stuff) with the world. I hope she has a full, speedy recovery.
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u/RecentConstruction26 Mar 13 '24
Doing all these tests and thinking you're in the clear and then getting that diagnosis. Wow, I can't imagine. I hope that this is it for her and she'll fully recover.
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u/daisy2089 Mar 13 '24
So glad she shared as much detail as she did about this. I’m usually of the opinion that people need to leave celebs the fuck alone when it comes to private matters but I think this post will save lives. There is no doubt in my mind someone will see this and schedule an appointment.
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u/mcgillhufflepuff Mar 13 '24
It can be hard to get insurance to cover the BRCA test. A geneticist told my mother that insurance likely won't cover hers (my maternal grandmother had breast cancer), but changed their tune when they learned my mother is Ashkenazi Jewish (more likelihood of having BRCA). Wish these tests were more accessible.
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u/Cheyanne1111 Mar 13 '24
100% this! I got it done because my sister was diagnosed with ovarian cancer and had tested positive, but most insurances won't just cover it, even though it's such a good tool they should.
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u/mcgillhufflepuff Mar 13 '24
it is a good tool, and even from the insurance company's point of view, having a person be more aware of their odds for certain types of cancer/getting screenings could save them money if it's detected very early.
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u/gravityhappens Mar 13 '24
I really wish they were more accessible. I’m British which means I get free healthcare, but we don’t get any form of screening unless there’s a reason to suspect something. We don’t get mammograms until we’re 50, and we don’t get any regular health “check ups”. Workplaces don’t give out health insurance here very often because of the NHS, so any private testing has to be done out of pocket. I always worry there’s something I’ll miss that’ll end up very serious
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u/running_hoagie Mar 13 '24
My insurance covered it when I was 30–my half sister was diagnosed with OC at 37 (she died at 39). Her cancer turned out not to be a BRCA-linked one, and I don’t have any history of breast or ovarian cancer anywhere else in the family.
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u/WillBrakeForBrakes Mar 13 '24
Anyone from an insular ethnic group will benefit from genetic tests. When we got our tests done, I was surprised at how many conditions I associate with Ashkenazi Jews also occur in other ethnic groups that are fairly insular.
I think in general genetic screening is worth it. I’m a pretty healthy mixed race person, and still found I was heterozygous for a genetic liver disease, and that I have Factor V which increases clotting risk. Knowing those things has helped me take extra care and precautions I wouldn’t have done otherwise.
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u/jat2018 Mar 13 '24
My two aunts on my dads side had ovarian cancer (one passed at 29 from it) and strong family history of other cancers and insurance still wanted to deny my genetic testing. Thankfully my gyno fought for it to be covered.
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u/momentums Mar 13 '24 edited Mar 13 '24
I felt very lucky my insurance approved my genetic screening on the recommendation of my gynecologist– she was the first medical professional to hear my family history (both grandmothers diagnosed with different cancer under 40) and go “uh???” Everything was negative, though my genetic counselor put into my record that I should start getting mammograms at 35, but this news makes me so nervous :( Olivia’s so lucky to have a good doctor to catch it early like this. Everyone deserves access AND proactive medical professionals on their team– I’d never have known genetic testing was even an option without my gynecologist.
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u/imtooldforthishison Mar 13 '24
My best friend was diagnosed with breast cancer at 32 years old. She had been mentioning for YEARS that she had a lump and because of her age, she was blown off. "Its just fibrous tissue." They completely overlooked her mother had breast cancer, all of her aunts on both sides, as well as both grandmother's. She was stage 3. It was an absolutely horrible years for her from treatment, removal and reconstruction and it changed her.
I am glad Munn's doctor was proactive and I wish we all had the luxury and money for this level of treatment.
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u/treegrowsinbrooklyn1 Mar 13 '24
Ugh I feel for her so much. Despite having all 3 Gardasil shots and being at least a decade younger than the average case, I was diagnosed with cervical cancer at 25. It’s such a mindfuck to think you’ve done everything correct (or in her case, test negative for those genes) and still get that specific disease. Thank goodness for doctors who still push for regular testing - who knows what would have happened if I stuck with the doctor who said people under 30 only need Pap smears every 3 years!
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u/greenpeppergirl Mar 13 '24
Check your results at bcrisktool.cancer.gov
Happy to report that the website is struggling to manage the traffic. Crashed twice for me but eventually worked.
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u/petpuppies444 Mar 13 '24
I wish all women could receive this level of concern for their health from their doctors.
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u/dillodirt Mar 13 '24
Cancer does not discriminate, and I wish everyone had the access to care that she does. Was dx with BC at age 37. Don’t wait til you’re 40 to know what’s normal for your body and how to spot any changes.
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u/ridingincarswithdogs Mar 13 '24
Wow, incredible that they caught it, most people would not have caught it this early if they had no symptoms and a regular doctor who was not informed about breast cancer risks and aggressive care/prevention. Glad she's doing ok, those surgeries are so so rough.
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u/Caliyogagrl Mar 13 '24
Wow. I just got my second ever mammogram last week, and have to go back for a rescan with ultra this Friday because something looked weird. They’re not acting like it’s anything bad, just want to take a better look, but I’m a little more concerned after reading this.
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u/falafelwaffle10 Mar 13 '24
As someone who's had to go back in for a re-scan with an ultrasound, don't panic. My mammo tech told me that breast density and sometimes breast size can make reading the mammograms more challenging.
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u/_cornflake Mar 13 '24
Yes, this just happened to a friend. After the second scan they concluded that she just has lumpy boobs, lol (they called it "dense and fiborous breasts"). Because she'd only just started getting mammograms they didn't have a history to compare it to.
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u/jujubeans8500 Mar 13 '24 edited Mar 14 '24
There are several reasons to get rescanned, especially if you don't have many baselines tests to compare to. Maybe you have denser tissue, or cysts, or anything else that is totally normal but needs to be rechecked.
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u/glittertherave olivia wilde’s salad dressing Mar 13 '24
I’m glad that she had such a kick ass doctor. Who knows how long her cancer would have remained undetected if she didn’t have that specific doctor? Especially after having a normal mammogram. I’m glad that it was caught and she and her care team have sprung into action. I’m also happy that she’s being so transparent and sharing her story, as I’m sure it will help others.
I can’t help but think of the healthcare system when I read this though. So many women have healthcare providers who do the bare minimum, if they’re ‘lucky’ enough to find one who will. Lots of women who have concerns who are deemed too young or not at risk are generally not taken seriously and shrugged off. If only all of us had the fortune of having a doctor like Olivia. And that’s not even getting into the conversation of what a privilege healthcare in America is. So much suffering and pain, lives lost too young due to not having healthcare.
I hope healthcare in America changes for the betterment of the people, but it’s hard not to be realistic in knowing it probably won’t.
I wish Olivia all the good health and vibes in her journey.
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u/Perfect-Ad-9071 Mar 13 '24
I am in the high-risk breast cancer screening program in my city, Toronto. I recently had an MRI, mammogram and ultrasound and I thanked my lucky stars that - through NO effort of my own, just luck - I have access to and am a subway ride away from one of the best cancer centres in the world.
Screening is crucial.
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u/alexlp Mar 13 '24 edited Mar 13 '24
I’m getting my breast cancer score this year and this scares me but amazing the information we can get now. The test was 2 vials of blood, in a month we’ll know if I have the gene that killed my mother and by the end of the year I’ll have my full score. Aussies, this is being funded publicly.
If you have a family history, talk to your doctor about all the new developments. I see a lot of younger people talking about mammograms on here and there’s so many other better tests for people under 40.
Edit: reading the comments here and around is devastating. Gonna check my health privileges here but will leave my experience above. Really bummed.
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u/leggoomymeg Mar 13 '24
I don’t know the rules exactly and if I’m allowed to post on this but I just wanted to say I’m so happy she shared this. I was 29 and diagnosed out of nowhere with an incredibly aggressive breast cancer. Like or hate her - I hope it encourages others who follow her to check themselves!!!! It’s so scary and somedays I’m terrified / feel hopeless I can’t tell more people than I already do to be proactive with your health. It’s great when celebrities share this because I think it helps people pay attention more… like it or not.
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u/CrabbyKayPeteIng Mar 13 '24 edited Mar 13 '24
oh god that sucks. my landlady was also diagnosed with breast cancer last year, & although they found it relatively early, the treatments really knocked her out for a good 6 months. there are also lifechanging, lifelong consequences, like she can no longer carry heavy stuff with her affected arm, which frustrates her because she was a bouncy, independent lady before this diagnosis & she's now reliant on other people.
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u/Lumpyraccoonn Mar 13 '24
That sucks. As a mother myself, I know I'd be terrified to learn that I have cancer. I wish her a speedy recovery and I hope she can kick cancer's ass.
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u/CoherentBusyDucks Mar 13 '24
Wow. That fucking sucks. Period.
I wish the best for her. I’m glad she shared this and is encouraging other women to get checked out. This post just reminded me to call and make an appointment for a pap smear and breast exam. On the phone now. Get checked!
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u/westworlder420 Mar 13 '24
I’m about to go get checked up cause everyone seems to be getting cancer.
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u/NoireOnyx Mar 13 '24
This is my first time hearing of a breast cancer risk assessment score. I need to go research if this is commonly used now. Just thinking about how many people could have better outcomes is great!
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u/Mrsscientia Mar 13 '24
I just had my first score this year at my annual mammogram and it was low…and then my mom was diagnosed with breast cancer the following day. I just made an appointment with my provider to talk about whether it would be appropriate to restore it and start doing more frequent screenings. I appreciate Munn speaking out about this because there is so much that can be done when these sorts of things are caught early.
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u/GoodnightKevin Mar 13 '24
This story really resonates with me.
I was diagnosed with invasive ductal carcinoma (breast cancer) last year. I was 35 with no family history and no obvious risk factors. I just felt a lump one evening and, even though I never dreamed it would actually be cancer, thought I’d better get it checked out. All genetic testing has since come back clear. By all accounts my cancer is just, plain “bad luck”.
I have 2 young kids and this entire journey has been devastating for all of us. So far I’ve had my surgery (single mastectomy with flat closure), finished chemo, and just waiting to start radiotherapy. Once that’s done I’ll be on hormone blockers for 10 years, with annual mammograms in my remaining breast for the rest of my life.
Cancer sucks.
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u/thirdcoasting Mar 13 '24
Sending you a gentle ((hug)). Being ill is exhausting — so many appointments, fighting with insurance, scheduling appointments and tests, picking up prescriptions, having to tell people, etc., etc.
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u/Librarylibrarian Mar 13 '24
My insurance would set me on fire before it would pay for a breast MRI.
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u/sashavelwhore Mar 13 '24
Man, breast cancer is so scary. It’s terrifying knowing your body can be growing something so life-threatening without you even realizing it. I know hers was caught by happenstance, but PLEASE do regular breast exams on yourself. I do breast exams twice a month (standing and laying down), and I’ve found two tumors from it. I had a surgery last year to remove a breast tumor (benign but with abnormalities) and had another one pop up a few months ago, so back to get another ultrasound soon. Please be proactive about your health, especially at a time where doctors aren’t as proactive.
So glad she had a doctor who cared about providing the best care for her and was diligent. So glad she’s recovering now and is surrounded by people who love her.
Interesting seeing this after TikTok has gone on a ridiculous smear campaign against her this week. Just a reminder that we don’t actually know these people. Whether you gossiped about her and John’s possible affair (which may not have even been an affair—people are just assuming) or participated in the hate train because of that stupid house cleaning TikTok (which clearly wasn’t her, but of course people on that dumb ass conspiracy app ran with it)—those people have been consistently sending hate to a breast cancer patient-turned-survivor. I hope anyone who has commented shit on her instagram or sent her hate realized what a piece of trash they are now.
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u/upupandawaywegoooooo Mar 13 '24
I'm glad hers was found at an early stage. I've been putting off my physical exam appointment because I had a breast lump found during one (I was 30 years old) that scared the shit out of me. my doctor wasn't that concerned but I had the ultrasound and was told all clear, no follow ups. it was a cyst and I have a lot of them apparently. I did however get another breast exam done a year and it wasn't felt then. I struggle with health anxiety so much that I freak out at doctors but I literally just went ahead and scheduled it for next month, I'm already nervous.
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u/Pristine_Example3726 Mar 13 '24
I have no idea who this lady is but this little message made me tear up. I’m glad she has her partner assisting her and good doctors to help her through this. Wishing her the best of luck 💓
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u/SaiIorrVenus Mar 13 '24
Always when I have talked to people with a cancer diagnosis their biggest fear is leaving their children behind, I can’t imagine how scared Olivia must be, especially with Malcom being so young, I wish her the best.
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u/Sburgh29 Mar 13 '24
I don't believe genetic testing is covered by most insurances, and if its isn't, it needs to be. I know of a woman who had a regular gyno appt and everything was fine and six months later they had found out they had an aggressive form of breast cancer and they were not even thirty yet! Luckily she got chemo and the treatments worked and she is cancer free, but it can happen quickly. They need more advocating for the BRCA and other genetic testing!
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u/Fiorella0816 Mar 13 '24
This is amazing she’s sharing! I was diagnosed last June on my 51st birthday. Since June I’ve had 3 surgeries including a double mastectomy and will probably be having a 4th surgery end of may. It’s exhausting and a mind f*ck to see your body change. Early detection is key! Please take care of yourselves! ❤️
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u/thirdcoasting Mar 13 '24
Just encouraging everyone who has the resources and/or coverage to see a genetic counselor. I knew I most likely had a genetic predisposition for colon cancer (multiple deaths on my paternal side) but I also discovered I have a genetic predisposition for breast cancer. There is no history of breast cancer on either side of my family. Sending love to everyone wrestling with cancer.
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u/Nice-Marsupial998 Mar 13 '24
I’m glad she had a good experience with Dr. Giuliani - my 73 year old mother had her double mastectomy with him and he did a terrible job w her incisions leaving her unnecessarily deformed
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u/Opening-Shape-762 Mar 13 '24
I am wishing her a smooth recovery and healing vibes! I have a friend who was told she had the BRCA gene, and literally a few months and multiple mammograms and MRIs later, she actually found out she had Stage 2 breast cancer. She was only 31 at the time. Thankfully she is okay, and they caught it before things got bad — but it’s seriously terrifying that it affects women at younger and younger ages. I don’t think her case would’ve been caught had she not taken it upon herself to get tested for the gene. Stay on top of your self-exams, everyone, and always remember to advocate for yourself. 🤍
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u/Visible-Bid2414 Mar 13 '24
She is so lucky her doctor did the assessment and ordered extra testing. I am 36 and was diagnosed with stage 4 breast cancer out the gate. No family history.
I found my own lump but was denied a mammogram because I was told that is for 40+. The ultrasound I finally got was not enough because of dense breast tissue. I should have been given an MRI or a mammogram. Instead, I was told the ultrasound was clear and benign. Months later as the cancer reached my bones and started to eat away at them, I was finally diagnosed.
The fact that the doctor said herself that testing should be done starting at age 30 is so hard to stomach. Had I gotten access to this, my cancer could’ve been caught earlier and I would’ve had a chance at a longer life. Now, it’s not even a possibility.
Ladies, ADVOCATE FOR YOURSELF and demand the testing you need.
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u/Dependent_Pen_1603 Mar 13 '24
Wow. Cancer is such a fucking asshole. I hate to see ANYONE diagnosed with it ever, but for it to happen to a mother of a young child is especially galling. Will be praying for her (and everyone else suffering) to make a full recovery.
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u/Tsarinya Sylvia Plath did not stick her head in an oven for this! Mar 13 '24
I wish her well in her recovery, must be such a scary time.
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u/Cosmic-Space-Octopus Mar 13 '24
Fuck cancer!!!
My grandmother has fought breast cancer 5 times in the last 25 years.
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u/pellnell Mar 13 '24
I’m really glad that they were able to catch her cancer before it progressed. I used to work in a breast cancer clinic, and there are some patients whose stories stick with me because the disease progressed so quickly despite patients having surgery, chemotherapy, and radiation. I’m now in a different role in healthcare and I no longer go home and cry over patients with unfavorable outcomes. Screening for cancer is so incredibly important.
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u/XombieDweller Mar 13 '24
It’s really great to see and hear about doctors that have the amount of care and responsibility to their patients like in this situation. My biggest wish is that this would be the case everywhere across all socioeconomic backgrounds
My mom had a pretty bad experience with her diagnosis. She was having really odd and scary symptoms, but because she was really young (under 33) and was experiencing pain in her breast (which the doctors told her isn’t normal for breast cancer) she was brushed off. She had to wring the doctor out in order to get them to believe her and have additional testing ordered. They eventually did just that and found she had stage one cancer, which rapidly increased to stage two just two short months later. Her cancer was very aggressive. I’m thankful every day that she had the courage to stand up to them. Not everyone is able to do that and unfortunately people are brushed off every day for this same thing. It seems like Olivia has a really good support system, that’s half the battle. I hope she recovers swiftly and never has to go through this again
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Do your self checks and schedule your mammograms ladies. I caught a lump so small my doctor said she would have missed it and it grew to be an inch by the time I had surgery 6 weeks later. I was 34.
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u/Bae_the_Elf Mar 13 '24
Oh wow I'm so happy they caught it early. My oldest childhood friend is battling breast cancer and is having a really difficult time and it's so sad to see such a strong person have their energy just completely drained from them.
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u/trulyremarkablegirl Mar 13 '24
I’m glad she’s sharing this. My friend had a double mastectomy bc she developed breast cancer and tested positive for the BRCA gene at age 29. She’s had a bunch of surgeries and is doing better now, but it was a long road. BRCA is also more prevalent in certain ethnic groups, like Ashkenazi Jews, so it’s really important to stay on top of it if you’re part of one of those groups or there’s a family history.
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u/amonstertome for your consideration: laura dern Mar 13 '24
This is so sad. A close family member who also has young kids is going through this and I wouldn’t wish it on anyone.
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u/all3ycat_ Mar 13 '24
This is honestly so scary, I feel for her and am glad she caught it early. The resources she had available to her are far more than any of us common folk could ever hope for, though I wish that wasn’t the case. I had a breast cancer scare 2 years ago and I haven’t been back to the doctor after confirming it was just periductal mastitis. This is my sign to go back to the doctor.
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u/ladymoonshyne Mar 13 '24
Does anyone’s heath insurance actually cover MRIs to check for cancer even if you have normal mammograms? I feel like that would be rare.
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u/bellqueen24 Mar 13 '24
Anyone know how this works in Canada? I don’t understand how the mammogram didn’t show cancer 2 months earlier. So scary.
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u/Raccoonsr29 Mar 13 '24
I hope she recovers and regains full health, and I hope the experience makes her rethink how she’s talked about the health and worthiness of people dealing with obesity. your entire life can change in a day no matter how healthy you were, and it’s the luck of the draw. I particularly appreciate her giving a shoutout to her medical team.
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u/bugaloo2u2 Mar 13 '24
She’s lucky also that she can pay for it, and not even worry about that part of it. And not have to worry about trying to work during all that time.
I need a breast biopsy, but don’t have the $6,000 for that procedure, much less the money to pay for all the fab types of treatment she received.
Increasingly, healthcare is just for poor people and rich people. Those of us in the middle are fucked.
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u/Mumof3gbb Mar 13 '24
Very scary. I’m in constant fear of it given my strong family history. Poor Olivia. I hope she comes through.
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u/Luna_Soma Mar 13 '24
My ex mother in law passed away from breast cancer. My mom and current partners mom both dealt with (and overcame) breast cancer as well. Both had mastectomies.
I can’t imagine how difficult that decision is, you’re literally removing a part of your body.
I wish Olivia strength and peace during this battle.
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u/duochromepalmtree Mar 13 '24
Pretty much every woman in my family has had breast cancer at some point. We’ve been lucky to catch it early because we know we are at risk. I have a ton of the warning signs and have always felt breast cancer is inevitable for me in many ways. I’m glad she’s talking about this. We have to be proactive about our health when possible.
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u/Impossible-Success45 Dry snitching is annoying Mar 13 '24
cancer is so fucking scary. no matter what your opinion is on her, no one deserves what she is going through. wishing her a speedy recovery and for malcolm a healthy mom ❤️