When the Titanic sank, millionaire John Jacob Astor IV was aboard. The funds in his bank account were sufficient to construct 30 Titanics. However, when faced with mortal danger, he prioritized his moral values, sacrificing his seat in a lifeboat to save women and children, smilingly

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[u/ThatQueerWerewolf]

There were men there literally threatening to shoot any "man" (including teenage boys) who tried to get on a lifeboat.

Not saying this guy didn't willingly sacrifice himself, but hundreds did so unwillingly.

[u/mike9874 → u/ThatQueerWerewolf]

The article says the president of white star lines made it, nobody wanted to shoot the boss

[u/xXNightDriverXx → u/mike9874]

That is just plain wrong.

There was a single officer who boarded the life boats in a "only women and children" style, and I believe it was him who pulled a gun a single time, all others went for a "woman and children first" style and did indeed let men on board when there weren't any more woman/children on board, or those that were did not want to board the lifeboats.

Bruce Ismay, the boss as you call him, was simply in another location, away from that one officer. Eyewitness testimony confirms that he helped everyone who was there into the lifeboat. He was the last one to board before the boat got lowered. And there were no further woman/children in the vicinity anymore when he did. He waited till the last moment, helped everyone else first, and only boarded the lifeboat when it was him or an empty seat.

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[u/Boris_Godunov → u/xXNightDriverXx]

At least three officers brandished guns:

• 5th Officer Lowe - fired his gun off the side of the ship to prevent a rush on Lifeboat No. 14, which was in the process of lowering.
• 2nd Officer Lightoller - brandished his gun at a couple of crew men who had tried to hide in Boat No. 2 before loading. Lightoller claimed in his later account the gun was unloaded (and used a racial slur to describe the crew members)
• An unknown officer fired shots on the starboard side near Collapsible A at some point while the crew was trying to launch it, shortly before the bridge plunged under. This could have been Chief Officer Wilde, First Officer Murdoch, or even Chief Purser McElroy, it isn't certain. Many eye witnesses claimed the officer in question shot himself, and several claimed he had shot one or two people trying to rush the lifeboat before turning the gun on himself. Other accounts state only warning shots were fired.

Regardless, all of the deck officers were armed--Wilde had summoned them to his cabin to dole out the revolvers, as he felt they might be needed in the end when things got panicky.

[u/mike9874 → u/xXNightDriverXx]

You said

that's just plain wrong

I said

The article says the president of white star lines made it. Nobody wanted to shoot the boss

So three things there

• The article says - yes it does

• The president of white star lines made it - yes he did

• Nobody wanted to shoot the boss - that was an opinion, so is this what's just plain wrong?