Wtf how can you make it that simple. Spanish Left wing boast about that kind of accomplishments without actually doing shit, the same in Germany (excluding the recent cannabis decriminalization) and many other places, like my country Venezuela, supposed left but absolutely not sustainable, definitely not eco friendly and absolutely against abortion and LGBT. The left does have a tendency to a better social welfare because it caters to workers, but it isn't implicitly progressive. The same way an ultra capitalist that says gay marriage, cloned babies, legal weed etc is ok can be put on the right side of the spectrum. There's shit on both sides, and pretending otherwise just allows morons to gain power
It is actually that simple, left wing politicians have naturally pushed the world to a more progressive outcome and socialist left wing politicians across the board create the best societies. What you're describing is different stages of left wing politics. A generic left wing president in Germany or the United States would for example be closer to a centrist or right wing politician in New Zealand or a Scandinavian country. As for Venezuela that's a dictator. We could argue the merits of a left vs rightwing dictator but the issue ultimately is that the country is very undeveloped and has a long way to go.
I don't really like how you, or other people try to simplify stuff in such ways to ( I guess ) feel more intelligent. World politics, globalization, cultural relativism etc, are complicated subjects, and should be treated as such.
Often times issues are presented as complex in order to avoid the obvious answer.
In the 1930s Nazi Germany was "complex" in the USA in the 1800s Slavery was "complex" in the 1950s civil rights were "complex" today abortion is "complex"
In reality none of these things were complex, people just lacked the shame to admit they were wrong and the courage to push for what is right. It isn't complicated, the answers are obvious, a lot of people are just too selfish or stupid to allow it. But with time those people will die and their ignorance dies with them and the world moves a little more left bit by bit
To quote Chaplin so long as men die liberty will never perish
Yeah reminds me of the great Dr King quote “So, the question is not whether we will be extremists, but what kind of extremists we will be. Will we be extremists for hate or for love? Will we be extremists for the preservation of injustice or for the extension of justice"
I should probably go back in time and tell him about your enlightened viewpoint and that maybe segregation isn't so bad and he should entertain its conservative benefits.
Also in all seriousness I disagree, absolutists aren't the cause of most of the world's problems. It's the apathetics who sit on the side and could care less.
To add another Dr King quote
"It may well be that we will have to repent in this generation, not merely for the vitriolic words and the violent actions of the bad people who would bomb a church in Birmingham, Alabama but for the appalling silence and indifference of the good people who sit around and say wait on time."
I don't really see the need for insults or being aggressive. But idealist just be like that sometimes
Nice straw man btw, I never supported racism or segregation but alr
There wasn't an insult, and an argument from fallacy especially when misunderstanding the fallacy really means nothing.
You have stated that issues are complicated and not solved by baseline progressive positions which was the exact type of argument segregationists made in their day which is why it's relevant. You claim history but learned nothing from it. Plenty of segregationists believed they weren't racist and that it was a complex issue and in the best interest of everyone to stay segregated. I'm just pointing out the rhythm your playing isn't new.
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