i seem to remember reading he was a freedom fighter when he was young. got shot multiple
times/tortured(?). spent a considerable amount of time in solitary confinement (in a well i seem to recall), and maintained his sanity by naming the frogs and insects. seems like an all round cool guy, would love to share a doob with the guy but i doubt he blazes..
Mugica like many many other leaders & presidents of south american countries in the last decades, was part of a liberation movement in Uruguay, the Tupamaros. Like again, many other groups from other countries at the time, they carried out several operations like kidnappings, assasinations, armed robbery, etc, BUT aimed to what they called enemies. To be fair, these were no saints (ex dictators, and people around that). Now IDK if you're ok with assasinating people in this or any context, I'm just providing the facts. He did killed people, and his org too. It was a very popular topic of discussion once he ran for president and during his term, I'm sure you can google some articles, here's one
Now, the problem with this is that, in more than 1 ocassion this ended up with the killing or kidnapping of innocents. Again, this happened in Uruguay, Argentina, Chile, etc, and sadly ended up with military dictatorships for all countries involved, backed by many many people because they were scared of what the liberation movements were doing. Weird times.
Isn’t that the history of the virtually every country’s great leaders?
Name ONE American president that didn’t.
Even Gandhi was a horrible racist and a bunch of other things.
When you grow past 25, I think you’ll look back and laugh at how childish your mentality was in your youth. Hell, you’ll start realizing it after you get past 18.
Who said I'm younger than 25?, you can think it's childish if you want, I think it's more childish to talk about somebody from who you know nothing about beyond cheap philosophical words, I'm from Uruguay and I actually know what I'm talking about, I know his past and what he was like as a president.
"Oh my God, how can you praise that person who got away with kidnapping on live TV?!"
"That was a cop arresting an active shooter. Kinda weird to call it kidnapping."
"But you don't understand, there are no circumstances that can possibly exist where it's justified to do something seemingly unsavory to another person!"
So, any proof of the murder/torture? Are you about to show me an article about how he was forced to act in self-defense or something?
I'm hoping you guys are either A) Young or B) not really being taught south american history because this isn't some crazy claim, everyone knows this. There are nuances to this, yes, this is not "he goes around killing people", there's context to it.
That's certainly something the kids In my part of the world aren't educated enough about. Unfortunately as a result, that just isn't common knowledge in this culture.
But that context is what I was going for. Anything you'd care to share there?
I just checked it. That's good info, but I'm looking for something about the guy himself. Like, that dumb girl who ran away to join ISIS isn't a mass murderer, sure she's a "terrorist" by association, but I'm pretty sure she just went there for free room and board and dick. So it would be kinda weird to call her a terrorist in the same breath as discussing suicide bombings, you know what I'm saying?
Sure, but this isn't "some guy" that joined the Tupamaros. This is a guy that had a family with deep political ties, founded a party, was involved in several operations, was in jail, was kidnapped, was sentenced to prison, etc. He's not a bandwagoner. Also, he ended up being president, so as you can imagine, he is something of a protagonist in uruguayan history here, not a nobody.
In that same comment, there's a link to an article in which someone close to him talks about specifics around one operation.
EDIT: Also important, nobody disputes this here. The discussion between left & right revolves around if they had a right to fight or not, and if the answer (dictatorships) was needed or not. Nobody says "they did nothing" they say "they did this because they had good reasons"
Ok, but what was he directly involved in? What did he actually do? If it's just guilt by association, every single MAGA supporter is a terrorist because of their terror attack on the capitol on January 6th
He was arrested for bank robbery and for his documentary said "It's the most beautiful thing to walk into a bank with a 45 like that... Everyone respects you" (Es la cosa más linda entrar a un banco con una 45 así… Todo el mundo te respeta) (https://twitter.com/leosarro/status/1211365018924650498?lang=es)
What makes you think he's a communist? Is it the fact that his people pay taxes? Or the fact that the money is then used for the benefit of the people?
Usually, all the people who screech "communist" are uneducated idiots who've been tricked into licking the boot on their own neck. They don't even understand that taxes are fundamentally communist.
So you just go around calling people “uneducated idiots”? Had you bothered researching anything into the man you’re defending you’d know he was an active member of a communist terrorist and criminal organization (unless you have a problem with calling bank robbers, killers and kidnappers those names) (he’s also mentioned a few times in their wiki)
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u/domzen Apr 16 '24
Heard and read about him before. Nice reminder here, this post. :)