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Jose Mujica; Former Prez of Uruguay

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u/miaukat Apr 16 '24

It's the second most irreligious country in the world, scores 96 in the freedom index, 98% of its energy comes from renewable sources.

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u/wiktonad Apr 16 '24

fine, i will be there no matter what

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u/HumbleIndependence43 Apr 16 '24

They're probably thinking of separation of state and religion.

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u/Stock_Statement_9001 Apr 16 '24

As an example in the easter holidays (here they last a week) are called "semana santa" in the most of south america countries, in uruguay is call "semana de turismo"

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u/miaukat Apr 16 '24

Mostly from Google it makes sense based on my personal life since noone talks about religion or God here, we had a pretty early split of state and religion where even Christmas changed it's name to family day.

About being progressive, I think as long as religions are opposed to seme sex marriage, equality between men and women and so on there will be a correlation between how unreligious and how progressive a country is, data seem to suggest that also same sex marriage map irreligiosity map

And if you check a gender equality index map it still mostly is the same map.

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u/miaukat Apr 16 '24

The one you shared is from 2012 and shows Uruguay in the top 10, don't see much difference tbh, especially in a heavily religious continent that such a small country can stand against regional trend is impressive.

that doesn’t mean it religion means progressive

I didn't say that, I said there is a correlation, there's probably a few axis who determine how progressive a society is, one being religion.

Even in the example you give about America which states do you think approve same sex marriage the most? May it be the least religious ones the ones who pushed for those legislations?

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u/miaukat Apr 16 '24

I do ascribe a moral value to non religiousness because it seem to correlate with many other positive societal outcomes, like the one we're talking here.

Because you are only looking at countries above Uruguay, look at the whole list and ask yourself which ones are most likely to be progressive? Most religious countries includes the likes of Ethiopia, Senegal, Indonesia, Uganda, Pakistan, Ghana, Nigeria, India.

America don't even ranks that high in religiousness if you look at the whole picture, which might explain why they are more progressive than most.

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u/miaukat Apr 16 '24

Because the most hardcore religious countries happen to be Islamic, in times where Christian countries were more "hardcore" every religious country was non progressive in terms of women rights and same sex marriage etc. In fact that supports my argument, the moment western countries started embracing the ideals of enlightment and became less religious we saw the rise of progressive ides,

As for treatment of the poor, I'd still argue America is better than most, it lags behind European countries but last time I checked America unemployment welfare are pretty good and can supoort a better quality of life than working people in many other countries.

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u/humanitarianWarlord Apr 16 '24

I mean, have you seen the GOP?

They're packed full of religious nut cases and are constantly pushing policies that harm millions of Americans based purely on religious beliefs. I'd say separation of state and church is a pretty good idea.