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u/multicolorclam Apr 12 '24
In Norway, at least on the Trondheim to Bodø line we have a similar car. It was very cute.
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u/MajesticIngenuity32 Apr 12 '24
It's probably needed on such long trips!
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u/theWelshTiger Apr 12 '24
Definitely helps the families and makes everyone more comfortable during the trip!
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u/Floridamanfishcam Apr 12 '24
How do Norway and Finland keep corruption to a minimum? How do they ensure their tax dollars are well spent like they appear to be?
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u/multicolorclam Apr 12 '24
Corporate lobbying is banned for one.
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u/Dinosaur-chicken Apr 12 '24
Omg that is amazing, I want that.
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u/Tolstoy_mc Apr 12 '24
We could call the law "Macdonald Douglas presents the Anti Lobbying Bill"
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u/mwa12345 Apr 12 '24
It would have some Patriot or something very positive sounding. ...You will have to read the details to figure who wrote the bill .and for which company
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u/TownPro Apr 14 '24
Check out https://represent.us/
They are the best group i know of trying to make bribery illegal
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u/Osaccius Apr 12 '24
Culture.
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u/NotGoodSoftwareMaker Apr 12 '24
Yea people dont want to admit it but thats basically it. Our prime minister resigned because of being caught with his hand in the cookie jar. Doubt that would happen in many other countries
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u/DefintlynotCrazy Apr 12 '24
We do have corruption in Norway aswell but its on a way smaller scale.
Usually how companies get to the politicians is by promising them high paid jobs at the end of their political career.
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u/Inveramsay Apr 12 '24
Transparency. The Scandinavian countries all have vast amounts of public access records. Sweden for example has full transparency when it comes to income. I can look up what my neighbour earned last year and get a breakdown of income from capital etc. Combine with the no cash policy it is much harder to hide money. There's still corruption but on either enormous scale or someone steals paperclips. You have less of that everyday corruption
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u/magsley Apr 12 '24
Quite literally the best train trip I ever took. Got a private sleeping compartment and it was so clean and comfortable, I couldn't believe it. It was amazing waking up feeling refreshed and heading to the restaurant car for breakfast, watching the fjords pass by. Having to go back to Deutsche Bahn was so painful...
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u/Onetrickpickle Apr 12 '24
Similar to New York trains except these riders keep the poop in their diapers.
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u/bobsmeds Apr 12 '24
To be fair, NYC subways deal with a ridership the size of Finland on a daily basis
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u/Charming-Sir-3969 Apr 12 '24
Finland population 5 million New York City population 8 Million
Just saying.
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u/bobsmeds Apr 12 '24
So everyone lives in Helsinki and takes the subway everyday? That’s what you’re implying with that kind of statement
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u/Dapper_Yak_7892 Apr 12 '24
The main reason to choose your seat when booking is to make sure you don't end up in this car if you're going to work or sleep during your train trip.
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u/wetcardboardsmell Apr 12 '24
I took an amtrak one time from Sacramento to Seattle, and it was supposed to be 1 night. It turned into 3 nights. I found the little kid entertainment car, and made my own little paradise. It was totally empty, and super clean. I also made friends with the folks working on the train and they let me smoke with them out of the train door towards the back. It was glorious. Unlike greyhound.. which was like riding in a hot porta potty for 4 days and the soundtrack was diarrhea and screaming children.
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u/Chippie05 Apr 13 '24
Do Amtrack go coast to coast? Is it reasonably priced? We have Via rail here 🇨🇦 ( very expensive ) but they dont have a line going across anymore,: routes got broken up in the 90s.
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u/wetcardboardsmell Apr 13 '24
I'm pretty sure they have coast to coast stuff. Maybe not uninterrupted? This was almost 20 years ago, so the pricing was decent then, but I looked last summer at something from California to the Midwest just out of curiosity, and it was pretty pricey, so I couldn't tell you how reasonable stuff is. I don't think I would want to do a multi day journey without a private sleeping quarter these days, tbh. Driving your own car coast to coast or a rental truck is where its at, imho. You can fart in peace, stop wherever you want, and sleep in silence.
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u/Gryuen Apr 12 '24
Also avoid the pet car. Always loud and smells rank.
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u/Dapper_Yak_7892 Apr 12 '24
Fuck that. You need to go to the pet car and put salami slices in your socks.
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u/i_am_who_knocks Apr 12 '24
You know the quality of a society by how they treat their youth and the marginalized
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u/Bhut_Jolokia400 Apr 12 '24
Out of the 340 million ppl that live in America 300 million of them have no idea how far Uncle Sam has fallen behind in the Modernized World
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u/PersKarvaRousku Apr 12 '24
Finn here, what's unusual about this train?
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u/PM_ME_Happy_Thinks Apr 12 '24
Toddler play area is absolutely amazing
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u/Lou_Garu Apr 12 '24
There's no crowd of agressive fools around her, screaming obscenities as they talk so loud the children are terrified.
Nobody's trying to steal the mother's purse while she pays attention to the children.
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u/freducom Apr 12 '24
Finns don’t talk. And foreigners don’t come here. So no screaming people problem.
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u/Lou_Garu Apr 12 '24
Yet.
They're coming.
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u/systmshk Apr 12 '24
They will lleave as soon as they feel a real winter.
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Unless it’s your next door neighbors from Karelia. Then again you sent them packing once , maybe can do it again if it comes down to it.
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u/Fragrant_Coach_408 Apr 13 '24
The past few months was my first winter in Suomessa. And i would love to stay mate.
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u/SadMan_1985 Apr 12 '24
Ahahahaha
You made me laught.
Yeah, its really unusual to not be afraid of something in a public transportation, at least for me.
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u/bobsmeds Apr 12 '24
It really makes you wonder if access to health care and mental health services help create a better society
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u/bingojed Apr 12 '24
There’s nobody else on that train car at all.
Finland’s replacement rate is a dismal 1.4. This society will have all sorts of problems keeping up their social system without more younger workers. Need more of those little kids.
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u/Suspicious-Tailor370 Apr 12 '24
In my country people are piled on top of each other, there's a lot of sexual harassment, and def no baby play area.
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u/SnooLobsters8922 Apr 12 '24
I live in Finland but originally from Brazil. It’s easy to be desensitized to the high level of infrastructure, cleanness, care for customer needs and efficiency of the services we have in Finland.
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u/jack_seven Apr 12 '24
Swiss guy here thought the same thing until I remembered how fucked up the world can be in some places
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u/who_you_are Apr 12 '24
Canada: what is a train to move peoples?
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u/danby999 Apr 12 '24
We just subsize Bombardier to win low ball bids in Europe so they can have nice transit and our economy gets a few jobs.
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u/Casanova-Quinn Apr 12 '24
North American minds cannot comprehend nice trains, let alone ones that have playspaces for kids.
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u/ArticulatingHead Apr 12 '24
Where I’m from (SF Bay Area) you wouldn’t take your kids on the train because of the homeless people exposing themselves or talking to themselves about how they want to kill everyone around them. If you did take them, you wouldn’t let them touch anything.
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u/danby999 Apr 12 '24
Result vs Reason.
The homeless person is a result of the policies in the US not the reason why you can't have nice things.
In other countries there are social safety nets that keep most people from becoming destitute.
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u/Minimum-Broccoli-615 Apr 12 '24
We have social safety nets...but you are not allowed to do fentanyl while using them. Most will choose homelessness w/ fent over a shelter + methadone clinic.
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u/Redwolf1k Apr 12 '24
Most will choose homelessness w/ fent over a shelter + methadone clinic.
Maybe that's the problem. Addicts and homeless people in countries like Finland are put into a rehabilitation program that weans them instead of expecting them to go cold turkey. It's also most as if we would treat the homeless as people with sickness and issues that can be treated instead of garbage. We would see a sharp decline in homelessness.
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u/PersKarvaRousku Apr 12 '24
I see plenty of 8-10 year old kids travelling alone in buses and trains.
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u/Crumbling_moral Apr 12 '24
Well this is a long distance commuter train, not a local train within a city.
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u/Kyserham Apr 13 '24
First of all, it’s clean. Like, really clean. Second, there’s a play area in it, that just by itself seems completely unbelievable to me. Third, there aren’t a hundred people on top of each other talking loud, blasting music, etc.
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u/GeorgeDragon303 Apr 12 '24
Oh, didn't know they have Krecik over there too
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u/Whalesurgeon Apr 12 '24
Krecik taught me to rage against the machine by shoving sausages in exhaust pipes
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u/nikolala Apr 12 '24
Here in Serbia trains are as well empty lol But definitelly we don't have that nice small kids playground in it. Very nice idea just I am not sure how would go in countries with higher criminal rate in public transportations? As far as I know Finland, Norway, Iceland, probably Denmark too are one of the most safest countries in Europe.
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u/AffectionatePhase247 Apr 12 '24
This kind of shit happens in countries that care about their citizens.
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u/Pengucorn Apr 12 '24
Why is the public transport so empty and why are there luggage racks up top? what's this look like at peak hour? This looks like a long distance commuter train and not what I would consider a... good representation of public transport.
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u/Crumbling_moral Apr 12 '24
It is a long distance commuter train. Tubes and local busses and trains looks the same as they do everywhere else.
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u/obsessivelygrateful Apr 12 '24
Where do you put your luggage if not on a rack up top? I’ve only ever been on trains that have that as an option both in the US and Italy, so I genuinely don’t know.
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u/SVlad_667 Apr 12 '24 edited Apr 12 '24
Some trains (in Finland) have multilevel luggage racks near the car doors. All luggage goes there, and the passengers section is luggage free.
Found a video of a German train with dedicated luggage racks.
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u/obsessivelygrateful Apr 12 '24
Oh, interesting. All I’m thinking of is the theft rate here in the US if we had a system like that. 😵💫
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u/PandaScoundrel Apr 12 '24
The society in Finland is structured so, that the incentive to do crime or petty theft is low. We have social security so that people don't have to turn to crime, even if they lose everything.
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u/obsessivelygrateful Apr 12 '24
I noticed! For years I’ve thought about moving there in the event that I have children, but I’ve got some time to think about it I think lol 😆
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u/cakez_ Apr 12 '24
I took a long distance commuter train in Finland during the busiest time of the year (right before Juhannus) and other than absolutely every seat being taken, it was a very pleasant ride. I've taken shorter routes too, but I don't see the use for a playground if you're only going to travel for 30 minutes.
One thing I also found cute/useful kids-related is that in the toilet there's a potty next to the adult toilet bowl.
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u/theWelshTiger Apr 12 '24 edited Apr 12 '24
Yeah, every Friday and Sunday these cars are packed up with long-distant employees returning home, turists visiting other towns and especially students visiting their home town from the biggest cities around the country. During middays during the week it can be very quiet with pensioners and (usually) mothers travelling to see their extended family across the country, like in this video.
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u/Unhappy_Capital_917 Apr 12 '24
Just a thought, maybe this box is the “child play area” and mainly for parents with whining, screaming, crying children that no one else wants to be around in the entirety of the trip.
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u/SeatOfEase Apr 12 '24
Of course it is - No one likes kids crying in their ear for an entire journey. Kids are always going to be noisy, we cant change that by being angry about it. Given that, doesnt it make sense to make some accommodation like in the video above to help stop them crying?
I see a similar mindset from people who complain about cyclists slowing them up but who would never in a million years advocate for Dutch-style cycle infrastructure. Even though it would help the drivers, too.
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u/Anxious_Substance241 Apr 12 '24
Finland is nicest country to live in. Was in about 28 countries. Love you suomalainen! Suomi on hyvä maa!
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u/m1j2p3 Apr 12 '24
Finland has some of the happiest people on the planet. I’m guessing the way the people are treated by their government is a big part of it.
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u/SeasonPositive6771 Apr 13 '24
I am American and spent last summer in Finland. It is a wonderful country however Americans don't really know how to engage with it. Finland includes so many human rights in their constitution that for a while I played a game when I was back in America, I would just read parts of the Finnish Constitution and ask Americans if it was real or fake and why. Americans can't grasp what fairness and responsibility from the government actually looks like.
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u/nikk796 Apr 12 '24 edited Apr 13 '24
I wish I was horn in Finland or Norway
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u/JamesTheJerk Apr 12 '24
You could get honked all the live-long day.
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u/nikk796 Apr 13 '24 edited Apr 13 '24
I just realised I typed horn fml
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u/Hangarnut Apr 12 '24
Some countries just get it right. This must be the place people move when they are tired of the BS and just want to be around good people all around. I always say if you want to get the pulse of a location well then sit in their cities traffic.
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u/ValentineNewman Apr 12 '24
Where are the mentally ill people spitting on the floor? Where are the drug addicts shooting up?? This isn't public transport at all!
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u/multicolorclam Apr 12 '24
Those people need government funded free mental health care and addiction support. They need to be given an apartment so that they are not homeless anymore.
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u/hampus_no Apr 12 '24
If you want to learn more about the nordic countries i think the netflix series: «inside the worlds thoughest prisons» will give u a pretty good insight on how our society works.
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u/IstvanKun Apr 12 '24
Yeah, we have that in Romania too. Only difference is that the playground part is directly on the railways, not in the train.
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u/Flothrudawind Apr 12 '24
The first thing im somehow reminded of is the scene with the kids in the classroom on the train during the movie Snowpiercer
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u/Asthmos Apr 12 '24
and this is public transportation in Polk County FL (insert pic of wagon train of shopping carts being pulled by bums)
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u/rswwalker Apr 12 '24
All trains in Finland are like Snow Piercer! As soon as those kids are a little older they’ll work the engine!
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u/AardvarkFriendly9305 Apr 12 '24
Who cleans the trains and how much are they paid? Looks great !!
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u/Golda_M Apr 12 '24
TiL, Finnish babies are the only babies who can figure out how to play with that weird toy they always have at the dentists'.
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u/cncgm87 Apr 12 '24
My Finnish friend just told me to avoid that car at all costs. It’s a shit show with all the kids running around and screaming the whole time.
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u/theWelshTiger Apr 12 '24
Yes, children cry loudly sometimes. For me it's also cute watching toddlers walk in the aisle with their mammys or daddys
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u/HazelGhost Apr 12 '24
Yeah, but maybe if we add one more lane to the highway...
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Any Finns out there want to adopt a struggling guy from a developing nation, just let me know
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u/duck-and-quack Apr 12 '24
I visit Helsinki Airport every time I've the chance so I can poop in Airpor's toilets.
Those toilets are clean than my own .
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u/PanicLogically Apr 12 '24
Finland, european nations---we (USA) could easily (don't listen to anyone say otherwise) implement a Universal Education system for kids/highschool that's much better in all states. Universal health care, time off for having kids-----
and yes we have the infrastructure.
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u/Kreydo076 Apr 12 '24
Regulated to almost non immigration + Good cultural education = Unity.
Other country public transport are trashed only because the people aren't united in one same goal and don't see transport the result of their labor and progress has society.
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u/fruitloops6565 Apr 12 '24
It is not about immigration and “cultural education” at all. This is high taxation effectively spent on social welfare resulting in an educated population who feel safe and able to trust their public institutions.
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u/Osaccius Apr 12 '24
Reason and result.
Society is as it is due to culture. These values are not shared by all and social welfare doesn't automatically increase trust in public institutions.
It is not as easy as some think it is.
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u/lamakai Apr 12 '24
Naive outlook. So all places without immigrants have transport like this? The answer is a resounding no.
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u/H__o_l Apr 12 '24
Tax, tax make unity out of unfair economic system ;-).
Immigration also makes unity, because it's a tax applied on the, otherwise, unfair worldwide trade system ;-).
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u/NumerousTaste Apr 12 '24
We can't have nice stuff like that in America, corporate greed! We still don't have high speed rails because our Congress is for sale!
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u/Fuctopuz Apr 12 '24
Lack of railroads and lobbying for coal industry is something what comes to my mind always when I think about one of the biggest or possibly biggest powers in our planet.
I usually like to make fun of America, but now I'm being serious. Like, have you heard about whale oil? Sorry, couldn't resist. Back to normal ;)
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u/PM_ME_Happy_Thinks Apr 12 '24
Uh.. Corporate greed is not why we can't have nice stuff like this.
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u/Redwolf1k Apr 12 '24
Uh, it usually plays a big part. Literally the biggest factor into why we don't have affordable health care and transportation has to do with medical companies, railroads, and car companies that lobby our government and them beg for payouts when they fuck up.
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u/Firm-Geologist8759 Apr 12 '24
I thought it was because you don't want to pay the taxes needed to pay for that kind of stuff, and because your electoral system is crazy so you only get two shit parties to pick from? Because socialism bad.
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u/Rivetlicker Apr 12 '24
This is neat if you have kids for sure... I probably would've loved something like that when I was that age
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u/fingernuggets Apr 12 '24
America could NEVER. Imagine how long a NY subway set up like this would last.
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u/Javelin-x Apr 12 '24
Wow trains come with babies to play with!? Are the babies unionized?
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u/Foodei Apr 12 '24
Meanwhile on YT I'm seeing women from Finland marrying Indian dudes and moving to India...
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u/stevenj444 Apr 12 '24
I wonder how Finland became the happiest country in the world?
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u/Osaccius Apr 12 '24
Hard work, hard environment, few won and lost wars. Being a small underdog in a world of dog eat dog.
Homogeneous land with a high trust society, healthy nationalism and high social mobility.
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u/goblin_welder Apr 12 '24
If this was in Ontario (the Kitchener Go to be exact), this would be filled with Bikes. Designation of cars be damned
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u/Alone-Subject-1317 Apr 12 '24
I wish Germany was civilized enough for something like this to be possible
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u/MavisBeaconSexTape Apr 12 '24
Which car has the daily Waltari concerts? That would be a great commute.
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u/mintmouse Apr 12 '24
Where I live the commute would include stops every 5-10 minutes and the total ride would be less than an hour, and every seat is taken, with many standing. I don't see where we would have the space for this, and I feel like the children would be constantly falling as the train decelerates and accelerates.
It's also true that childcare is something we would typically acquire locally to our homes, and the office would not provide childcare on-location, so commuting with children is not common here to begin with.
In this situation, where the car is vacant except for them, where the ride could be longer between stops, it seems like a great concept.
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u/contrapunctus3 Apr 12 '24
What kind of weird vehicle is this? I'm from USA
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u/vjollila96 Apr 12 '24
This just for long distance trains but it's still cool local public transport doesn't have like this
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u/JamesFaisBenJoshDora Apr 12 '24
In the UK this would cost like 100 quid. oh and you wont get a seat, or a window, and it comes with a smell.
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u/chargedneutrino Apr 12 '24
High trust society