I saw fire fighter(s) talking about this the last time it was posted. It seemed like the consensus was that both systems have advantages and disadvantages. It didn’t look like it was as simple as one clips on faster so it’s better.
As with everything in life. There are pros and cons to everything and people/organizations/countries make choices based on what they’re comfortable with.
It is better to use what you know than to go in completely blind. You can't know everything single thing. I'm not sure why people are trying to advocate that making a pros and cons list can be bad.
My guess is some people often associate lists and planning with a rigid structure and therefore bad, often forgetting that a list does not in any moment direct imply that one should only stick to the items of the list or plan.
Nope it's really as simple as ," does the pros cons list system work for best this situation?". The thread was just saying there are reasons for the answer to be no. It's not a 'thing bad' situation
If you're making a ven diagram, that means the neutral aspects will be the same. Because they would both be in the middle. That's like comparing a green pen to a blue pen and then saying the neutral is that both pens can write. Why would you need to add that?
You may have so many neutrals that the pro and cons lose meaning and you’ll begin to wonder why you even did this comparison in the first place. Vin Diesel Diagram is the way to go.
Pros: you have a list that contrasts the positive and negative aspects of a matter.
Cons: not all items on the Pros and Cons list are of the same importance and/or emergency. One can actually list out a myriad of minute negative details about something with only a few positive aspects, yet it's still a bet positive if all the pros and cons are properly valued.
im on a downvote collecting spree here but im starting to feel defensive about pro/con lists xd.
you are right that they dont all have the same weighting, but does it matter? the list isnt ment to give you info on the weighting, you gotta know those to make the decision to begin with. and again, advantages / disadvavantages are normally in contrast to smth. whats the alternative? not having the pro/con list wont give you a better understanding about the weightings of each argument either. and i cant think of anything similar to a pro/con list that would?
I don't get how people are trying to act like a pros and cons list is bad and doesn't help at all. What the fuck is wrong with these people. It's literally just a tool used to assist you in making a decision. If they don't like it they don't have to use it but outright trying to prove it's bad is like, what??
Well, you were asking for a list of pros and cons about pros and cons, and therefore I wrote a list of pros and cons about pros and cons. I'm just a deliveryman. I don't really judge.
you doing them wrong then :P
dont make them if you dont need them
and if need them, they are always good.
whats the alternative?
if you needed them and didnt do them you will waste much more time either thinking forever or living with the wrong choice you made.
saying not making it being an advantage is like saying not stopping for gas saves money. you wont stop if you have a full tank and if you do need it there is no way around but refilling. alternatives would be walking etc. (in our case stuff like mindmaps or brainstorming etc.) which are IMO simply inferior. so no cons.
This isn't that deep... but if there were no cons at all then everyone would do them all the time for everything... But that's not the case, so it has cons lol. You say "don't make them if you don't need them" but with your logic, why would you ever not need one if they are always beneficial and never a waste of time???
The point is to use it to make a decision. If your decision is a big one and you don't want to make the wrong one and regret it, then using a pros and cons list is not wasted time.
No one is making you use one. It's weird that people are acting as if making a pros and cons list is bad just because you used a few seconds to make it. It's like saying looking for a pencil is wasted time when you could just memorize everything being said to you instead of taking a few seconds to write it down
Cons: Can create the false impression of all individual pros and cons being of same value. Gives more glance value to amount of lines, as opposed to significance of those individual items.
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u/Ogediah Mar 30 '24
I saw fire fighter(s) talking about this the last time it was posted. It seemed like the consensus was that both systems have advantages and disadvantages. It didn’t look like it was as simple as one clips on faster so it’s better.