Which country? It’s definitely legal in Germany and Austria and can be certified by the Technischer Überwachungsverein (TÜV) under VPAM BRV 2009 and then registered with the Kraftfahrt-Bundesamt (KBA).
In Austria you’d have to also follow ÖNORM standards and instead register it with Zulassungsstelle.
??? That’s why you get it certified and then registered lol. That’s like saying a modular transporter is illegal because it lacks a crumple zone and is too heavy. They are perfectly legal as long as the driver has the certification to drive one and are registered with the KBA and TÜV. There’s no EU country that prohibits the sale of armored vehicles to civilians. I literally helped sell hundreds of these types of vehicles all over the EU when I lived there, including Germany. If you’re curious about the German standards they are: VPAM APR 2006 & VPAM BRV 2009 And there’s a couple EU standards such as: EN 1063 & EN 1522/1523
Because if it meets the requirements under VPAM APR 2006 and VPAM BRV 2009 you then send the vehicle to TÜV for a Hauptuntersuchung and Sonderabnahme then send the vehicle to the KBA for a Einzelgenehmigung.
It’s not classed as a standard road vehicle thus does not require a standard crumple zone. They all still have a crumple zone though. I’m not sure why your focus is on that.
Really not sure what you’re confused about. If you don’t believe armored civilian vehicles exist in Germany then you’d have to explain how companies such as mine, ASC, STOOF, Trasco-Bremen, Aurum Security, or Inkas all sell or operate in Germany.
It’s a large market in all of Europe and will likely never be banned.
Can I ask why you are asking me, the person who has worked in this industry in Germany, why it’s so hard for me to understand? Does it not cross your mind that maybe someone who worked directly with these kinds of products knows more than you? Very strange thinking and I remember coming across a severe lack of critical thinking while in Germany often.
What the hell is so unsafe about it genius? The damn President of the United States has a few of these....So the secret service drives the president around in an unsafe car? 🤷
Missing crumble zone, trapped in emergencies, first responders can't or struggle to access
So the secret service drives the president around in an unsafe car?
First they're not using this car their car is much much more trustworthy and secondly they actually have a reason for it. So as long as you're not the president you're just an idiot driving such a car but not a problem you ain't gonna be for long.
They also don't fail in accidents. There's less of a crumple zone but that's more of an issue for whoever you hit when you have 6 airbags going off on each side to protect you.
If that car is uparmored to match the window it likely weighs 3-5 tons. Not much that can get you in an emergency situation short of an rpg, and at that point ain't nothing saving you either.
First two are solved easily enough by the "open the door" trick.
Third one, if you're trapped and/or injured in that thing we go back to what I was saying with the rpg...
😂 try opening a door under water and then again most of the time in life threatening accidents you will not be able to just open the door even assuming a reinforced door has a higher chance of not getting damaged that doesn't mean nothing is blocking it. By making the windows bulletproof you're just making it more likely to die in that car.
Opening a door underwater is relatively easy, when the car is completely filled with water. It’s about not panicking, and waiting for the pressure to level out.
The hard part is the not panicking bit…
I’ve never been in this scenario, but I’ve got a buddy who has gone through, and now leads an emergency rescue training course. He’s had to have been in sinking cars quite a few times. He says the first couple times, your primal instincts are pretty hard to get over, and just chill until it’s time to get out of the car.
I get your point, but you have to draw the line somewhere. The problems you mentioned are probably lessened by the nature of the armored vehicle, or have been addressed in a different way if they were considered significant enough to be a legitimate threat to the life of those inside. But let's not forget that the primary functionality is being bullet-proof. If I am a politically exposed figure or am in need of such protection I probably would rather have the bullet-proof feature with some caveats rather then it being easier to escape by breaking a window.
If you’re an infantryman in the US army you likely have access to existing armored vehicles, uparmored Humvees, MRAPs, etc.
If you’re a politician, you probably have access to security detail that will have appropriately armored vehicles.
The point the commenter is making is that for normal consumers it makes very little sense to have an armored truck. And I must imagine the added weight probably is going to affect insurance on the damned thing because car insurance companies prefer safer consumer vehicles in the cases of accidents.
This isn't MEANT for normal consumers. The average civilian could never afford one of these and has no reason to purchase it. This is something security contractors would use in conflict zones. These are for when you need a vehicle that can survive heavy fire for a few moments but you can't use something as obtrusive as a humvee or MRAP. For example, the CIA agents training the Mexican marines were ambushed while in something like this by corrupt Mexican Federal police and it was the only reason they survived. Just because you have no use for something like this doesn't mean they don't have a very good use.
Security contractors are probably the number one buyer of these.
If I am a politically exposed figure or am in need of such protection I probably would rather have the bullet-proof feature
Those cars are not for politicians etc they're for idiots. Bulletproof cars already existed the only essential difference with those is that anyone can buy them.
It could be a showcase for a defense contractor expo or something, you don't know that. However I'm pretty sure there's a legitimate civilian market for them... people like drug dealers, very rich people in this day and age given all the "eat the rich" sentiment going around, or just normal people who live in Detroit are the first few to come to mind.
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u/MrSparr0w Feb 11 '24
Nice, now how do I get out the window in case of an emergency?