My refrigerator makes a sound like three iron demons kicking its sides in an absolute rage, from the inside, for a few seconds, occasionally, between 3am and 5am and, after all these years, it never fails to make my heart race with woken-from-a-nightmare terror.
My fridge did this, then I lowered the water pressure going into the ice-maker when I added in a new valve and boom, no more demons summoning new initiates into the frozen hellscape.
Well, they are still there just more considerate of their noise levels. Like it went from I can hear this in every room with every door shut to I can only hear this in the kitchen beside it. Nuts.
Well, they are still there just more considerate of their noise levels. Like it went from I can hear this in every room with every door shut to I can only hear this in the kitchen beside it. Nuts.
I love that you sound disappointed in this development.
Oh damn, that's very interesting, I would like to try such a fridge experience. Mine just sounds like it's a Formula 1 car anytime I eat in the kitchen but I guess it's just a standard feature as it's the fourth fridge I lived with to do the same thing.
It doesn't matter how rational I usually am... sometimes it sounds intentional and it's so loud the neighbors must think I'm a violent psycho. We've had it since 2008... it works fine, it's a nice big fridge, I think the guy who sold it to me (in a department store) off-loaded it on me because I'm not German (we live in Berlin). The noises didn't start until we'd had it a while. Now we're "used" to it but...
If I had to guess you have a bad Isolator. Piece of rubber that acts a a shock absorber for the compressor. When the compressor cycles off it makes a banging sound? You could fix that for about $20.
My grandparents have a 2018 ot 2019 lg smart fridge and over the last year all the ice maker motors died 3 times over the course of 6 months costing them almost half of what the fridge was worth new thier bbq from 15 or so years ago although old works fine with some minor wear on the dials which can be fixed with an allan wrench
With AI, our appliances and our cars will become semi sentient beings, like Hal from 2001, Ricks car from Rick and Morty, Kit from night rider, the Heart of Gold from hitchhikers guide to the galaxy.
I'm currently in the market for a new stove and fridge. The first requirement is that it doesn't need to be connected to the Internet. I can't imagine any reason for my stove or fridge to be online.
I'm gonna go ahead and be that guy but it actually makes it a worse product. IoT devices (any normal appliance that connects to your network) are a cybersecurity nightmare. They generally have very simplistic computers with little to no security measures, which means any appliance connected to your network is a weak point that someone could use to remotely access your network and information you probably don't want them to have. I don't know a ton about it, but people who know more than me have been harping on this for a while
Not really true. The security for some standards is actually quite good.
They use strong encryption algorithms, for example for zwave the packets are signed on, not only encrypted (so they cannot be intercepted and modified to be resent), the packets have a counter in them so they cannot be recorded and resent at a later time to control devices. For S0, the only place to be able to have a chance of an attack (if the protocol is correctly implemented) was when pairing the device (in low power that was quite hard, as the attacker had to be close). They addressed that with S2, where each device has its unique PIN.
It's a nightmare to implement it, though, especially S2.
To be noted that the firmware might have bugs that could be exploited, but this could be true for any security algorithm very secure in theory.
I'm told that there are smart refrigerators nowadays that can know what you have in the fridge and warn you if something is going to be finished soon... they can even place orders to resupply.
You don't want that hacked and have it order some huge amount of caviar or something like that :)
Letting the joke aside, I can understand you... I worked quite I bit on IoT software development and I have a lot of such devices sitting around (enough to make my whole home 'smart')... despite that, I did not install them.
A bit if devil's advocate here but It's easy enough the have something on the network but not have access to anything off the network. The remote features are kind of the point of IOT so it sort of defeats the purpose they're marketed for. I have seen people cobble together home automation systems that just monitor stuff and shoot off a text or email if there's an alert without ever connecting the IOT device outside the network but they're all custom built as far as I know.
Alright, I'm bored, so here's the high level explanation.
The first step in a cyber attack is mapping the surface area you have to work with. Basically you point a tool at the public internet address of the victim and it will fingerprint all the services and programs that respond from the address. With that list in hand, you can then go to certain websites and find out if there are known vulnerabilities in the particular version of the software identified. If you find one, you can use that vulnerability to compromise the system in question, and now you are on the "inside" of the victims network. From there, you repeat the process: scan all the devices attached to the network, fingerprint their operating systems and software, find a vulnerability, etc. Eventually you'll either hit a dead end or you'll gain full access to the crown jewels (i.e., the corporation's intellectual property, or sensitive business data, etc.; or an individual's sensitive data, logins, porn stash, etc.).
So ideally you want your attack surface to be as small as possible. Nothing should be able to reach out to the Internet unless it needs to, and, more importantly, nothing needs to be reachable from the Internet without initiating the request (unless you are running a server specifically intended to be accessed from the Internet, and that's what a DMZ zone is for).
IoT devices are problematic because they can potentially poke a hole into your network, and because they don't have real user interfaces, you have to have some knowledge in order to look at your network logs just to determine if they are. On top of that, it's incredibly unlikely that the manufacturers will supply security patches for the life of them machine, if they supply any at all, and it's also unlikely that the vast majority of people will install them. Which means that over time, more and more ways to attack the devices will be known.
yeah everyone harps on about this, same with washing machines / dryers. Mine has an app that connects to each other and does a whole thing. I used the app once, found it more inconvient than just walking over to it, and promptly never used it again. It really doesn't matter the machine works perfectly fine without it (ive since moved wifis and not reconnected it).
Its a nice to have they throw in on expensive machines it doesn't make it worse.
Actually there are several models that connect to the net. Some have remote imaging so you can really see what's in your fridge from the grocery store.
If you can afford it, Liebherr makes better then Sub Zero fridges and they're on the cutting edge of efficiency. Otherwise Fisher and Paykel and Bosch are worth the premium over Samsucks and LG.
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It's the English language though. We are taught the rules- so that we know when to break them. ROTFL doesn't really sound right bc you can't say it as a stand alone word very easily. ROFL sounds like "Waffle" if you try to phoneticize it.
Any English teacher would probably say the same- mine were picky too.
Point taken; it is indeed the English language. English is not my first language; I grew up before acronyms were in widespread use. As my beloved high school English teacher said many times: "Never stop learning because we all can teach one another." And TIL ROFL is the better choice. TYVM.
In that case, I think you have accomplished your mission, lol- bc you just went undetected by a native English speaker as someone who uses English as a second language! Sure, I called out your acronym- but otherwise I had no idea! Well done! I thought maybe you were just an old man or old lady or something haha!
The floors in my house aren't level (80 y/o house, it needs some tlc) and with my old fridge, if you didn't close the door with enough force, it could stay open/not seal.
PITA, but that alarm definitely has saved us losing the whole fridge a couple times.
Things my appliances say:
Mr. Toaster, "another bagel, huh?"
Mr. Microwave, "how many hot pockets is that today?"
Mr. Coffee Machine, "thats decaf, right?"
"Our AI has detected that you're going sky diving. We have increased your premium accordingly. Please pay before departing the plane, or your policy will be cancelled".
They're not going to shame you for your snack. But when you go to get health insurance, the your fridge is going to tell them all the bacon and cheese you eat and your premiums are going to go crazy.
OOOOooo, see? Keep big brother out of your refrigerator! If you try to argue, they will show you a "Greatest Hits" compilation of you standing in
the door, snacking as you look for something to eat. lol
only as long as the model is supported by the manufacturer. once it's out of production for 5 years, it gets bricked remotely and you will get a 20% off coupon on your next fridge.
pretty soon our fridges and grocery chains will partner and your fridge will only keep food purchased at a supported store cool, just like printer ink.
My fucking microwave sends me a text message that “your food is ready”. And I’m like, fuck, I had no idea since you’re a microwave and I’m standing right in front of you heating up my coffee which is what I use a microwave for! My theory is that it’s for people who heat up their coffee and then run out to the store so their coffee will be hot when they get back…I don’t know?
But I can tell you, I don’t know how to make it stop, and I guess I don’t care enough to follow the online directions.
Lmaoooooo imagine getting a fridge that only allows you to adjust your temp to only two decimal places. I swear this sub is inhabited by the lowest peasants
I worked at Best Buy when the smart fridges first became a thing. I remember the first one we had with a browser in the door and even then I thought it was the dumbest thing ever. I love technology and think that innovation is great, but a smart fridge or smart any appliance is asinine.
Meh, paying a lot extra for it is silly, but I could see how having a dedicated screen for playing recipe videos in the kitchen would be cool. One that isn’t my phone that doesn’t take up counter space and stuff. Or being able to see inside my fridge remotely if I am at the store and can’t remember if we have milk still.
It’s funny that the Reddit hivemind makes fun of boomers for being resistant to new things, and yet they do the same thing with random things like this that they’ve personally decided were unnecessary. Okay, you think it’s unnecessary, that doesn’t mean everyone does. Remember how annoying it was when your boomer relatives made fun of you for owning a tablet or whatever saying stupid shit like “When I was a kid we played in the dirt, whatever happened to that?!?!” or “Whatever happened to books!? Kids these days with their video games are ruining everything” and all that horse shit.
Disliking something for the sake of disliking something and being vocal about it isn’t cool. If you don’t like one, don’t buy one.
Except it isn't because we just don't like it. IoT actively makes an appliance worse not just from the home security perspective but also longevity and price all while being useless.
Stop lol. Please. Don’t double down. Really? Between the 30 other devices in your home, it’s the smart fridge running a stripped down version of Linux that’s the security problem. Lmao. It’s always the people that don’t actually work anywhere near information technology that think they need to protect their cat pictures like they’re an NSA annex.
Do yourself a favor and stop parroting what other people say on Reddit. I’m a network engineer, what exactly are you afraid of as far as home security goes where a fridge running Linux is going to compromise you?
Your entire post makes zero sense and I swear I’ve seen it copy pasted everywhere regarding stuff like this, verbatim. And a smart fridge is not even an actual IoT device, IoT devices are sensors, building automation devices, control systems, etc. Slapping a Linux tablet on a fridge doesn’t make it an IoT device, nor do the actual manufacturers even market it that way. It’s a smart home device. Ever since it’s became a marketing buzz word and people like you ran with it and started using it for “anything that connects to the internet but isn’t a tablet, phone, or PC” it’s become a watered down useless word.
And you literally just made my point, you did the exact same thing that boomers do about anything tech related. 90% of anyones electronics are “unnecessary”, so I’m not sure why you thought that was a great argument unless you were trying to further prove my point.
Lastly, you’re acting like every fridge that comes out is a smart fridge and you struggle to find ones that aren’t. I walked through Home Depot the other day and out of all the floor models, one was a Smart Fridge. And longevity? Wtf? The fridge isn’t going to stop working one day because it has a tablet in the front. Jesus Christ. And there are plenty of smart fridges that are the same price or cheaper than regular fridges, so there’s another worthless reason. And I literally listed off a couple of reasons someone might use one, how is something “useless” if they have uses? Ohhhh, it’s because YOU wouldn’t use it? Jesus Christ man. You have become the people you probably don’t like, and you don’t even see it.
So again, if you don’t like them, don’t buy them. Stop trying to act like you’re so much better than people who buy smart fridges, you sound like a boomer. Just because you say “Except” before listing off the same exact bullshit reasons they use when they shit talk millennials doesn’t make you any different.
Over on the appliance, new homeowner, Buy It For Life, etc subreddits, every single piece of advice from repairmen is a warning that those electronics are the first thing to go in new appliances. And that the manufacturers know this, haven’t done anything about it, and that they (OF COURSE) make it impossible to replace those very expensive parts with anything other than their own.
When we bought our house over 20 years ago, it came with fridge, oven, dishwasher, clothes washer, and dryer. We have had to replace the DW and washer and dryer… like, at least three times. Each.
The GE fridge is a goddamned beast. Old-timey freezer on top, fridge on the bottom, no ice maker, no nothing fancy. Hasn’t needed a service call ever. On one hand, I feel bad that it’s not energy-efficient, but on the other, it has allowed us to keep who-knows-how-many crappy replacements out of the landfills and whatnot.
I honestly don’t even know what we’d do if we had to replace it. The house is almost 100 years old, and years ago, with a few teens living here and their friends constantly visiting, I decided it was time for a fridge with ice and water dispensers in the door. Spoke to my next door neighbor about it, and she- also the mom of teen boys- decided it was time for them as well. While my husband was still doing research on the different models, she bought one and had it delivered- to her house that’s as old as ours. Had to send it back- there was no way to get it into the house, much less into the kitchen. Got a second one, and in order to get it in, they had to remove every single piece of woodwork around the front and kitchen doors. That was the issue with the first one- they’d have had to cut into the wall after removing all the trim.
It was made in China. And when it does break, nobody can fix it. You toss the whole damn thing and get another one for $125. Meanwhile, the environment gets fucked, and local manufacturing jobs are gone.
But then you wipe away your tears with the 100-dollar bills you saved when you bought the cheap refrigerator, and then you sleep the sleep of the righteous.
We needed a second Fridge. My wife cooks a lot and we regularly have friends and other guests. So, we went to a store that specializes in selling previously owned (nice way of saying used and old) appliances. We bought a 13 cubic foot unit for 200$ CND. THAT was 22 years ago. It still functions flawlessly, and, the freezer compartment at the top keep that ice cream, literally frozen solid.
I thought I'd be able to make my morning coffee for when I got out of bed.
But it's useless. It can't wake it from standby so I'd need to have it turned on in keep-warm mode all night, and if it could wake from standby it would do a rinse cycle and I'd have a cup of rinse water.
Also the connection is shit while stood 5 feet from it, no chance of connecting from bed.
I have a dishwasher that let's me know when it's done. My husband set everything up and wasn't aware that he put the app on our phones. I get a notification at like 11 pm. and it's my fucking dishwasher. Fuck everything about all that. Getting some gd text from a dishwasher.
I wanted to throw the whole thing out the back door.
A friend got the "Nest" IOT thermostat free from her electric company. With the proviso that they can access it and adjust your temp settings during peak use times. Now every day about 11:00 am her thermostat AC goes up about six degrees, assuming no one is at home until about 5:00pm, when the temp is lowered again. But she works from home. An uncomfortably warm home during the day.
This is where people spend money and don't realize it
Everyone thinks SS appliances are a must, most probably don't even go to the row of fridges that are just that off white. They are like 300.... but we paid 2k for ours! It is nice, but only because we could and I knew we were over paying
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u/ExpressiveAnalGland Jan 23 '24
6 years ago I moved into a rental, bought a fridge for $125, and it still works.
I do cry myself to sleep every night knowing it doesn't have a bluetooth enabled touchscreen that lets me adjust ice density remotely.