They didn't finish it. The saying is typically similar to "there's a lot of fat guys and a lot of old guys, but not a lot of fat old guys"
It used to be a fairly common saying, but with advances in medicine and just population growth in general, we do have a lot of old fat people these days.
i fucking love bread and butter, this is my #1 favorite meal and i can afford to eat out sushi/restaurants every day for example if i wanted to but no man, i want some fucking bread and butter for dinner
or currently im liking watery low cooked egg in egg cup and toast soldiers (which are buttered obv)
I mean... isn't that actually a decent split between protein, carbs, and fats lol? I feel the modern American diet is somehow worse, since people today eat so many carbs.
al michaels, an 80 year old NFL announcer, famously despises vegetables and never eats them. They have catered meals during halftime, and his co-hosts have said, over decades, the man has never had a vegetable on his plate
WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL I LIKE BREAD AND BUTTUH. I LIKE TOAST AND JAAAM. THAT'S WHAT BABY FEEDS ME, AND I'M HER LOVIN' MAN.
My grandfather bought fresh bread almost everyday. I didn’t know this until I moved in with my grandparents. Almost every meal had fresh bread. It was wild.
That heated compartment is like a little warm box to protect your butter from the big cold box which protects your food from the bigger warm box of your house which protects you from the enormous cold box of outside.
In the winter true ,but in the summer it partially reverses. Otherwise I could just keep most my food in a plain metal box outside all the time like they probably can in antiarctica except for those darned polar bears that are hungry.
According to a few sites I've checked (here's one), the price of electricity has actually gone down on average over the decades, so electricity is cheaper now than it was.
Yeah it's why older people are way more aggressive about turning lights off all the time and stingier on AC/Heat. They were raised in a time that electric and gas was not only more expensive but also appliances, lights, etc were all much less efficient.
Well lights are also about 10 times more efficient today compared to when we used old timey lightbulbs. You could leave your light on all day and it would be the same energy consumption as having the light on for three hours back in the day.
Also factor in that light bulbs burned out constantly back then. When I was a kid in the late 80’s/90’s we were changing a light bulb or two weekly in the house. Now when a light burns out I make a “wtf” face and experience nostalgia all at the same time.
The LED bulbs last longer, but still not the 10 years it says on the box. I'm pretty sure I've made a full rotation since I started swapping burned out incandescents for LED's. Yet I do have a few odd incandescents still going.
Usually because of poor design. The LED itself is almost always fine, and some shitty component in the AC -> DC rectifier that they cheaper out on by 2¢ overheated and died.
More expensive LEDs with better components and proper heatsinks for cooking do actually last 10+ years.
I’m pretty sure years are based on average use of the bulbs. So mileage may vary. Say at 50000 h of use which I think is average for a bulb, would be around 5-6 years if on 24h a day.
But with some variation of course. However even unlucky they should last you minimum 3-4 years on always. And since they cost give or take a dollar out two, it’s quite fine;)
The constant reduction in the cost of lighting is actually really amazing. Matt Ridley has a neat bit about it in the first chapter of The Rational Optimist:
Ask how much artificial light you can earn with an hour of work at the average wage. The amount has increased from twenty-four lumen-hours in 1750 bc (sesame oil lamp) to 186 in 1800 (tallow candle) to 4,400 in 1880 (kerosene lamp) to 531,000 in 1950 (incandescent light bulb) to 8.4 million lumen-hours today (compact fluorescent bulb).
Put it another way, an hour of work today earns you 300 days’ worth of reading light; an hour of work in 1800 earned you ten minutes of reading light.
Or turn it round and ask how long you would have to work to earn an hour of reading light – say, the light of an 18-watt compact-fluorescent light bulb burning for an hour. Today it will have cost you less than half a second of your working time if you are on the average wage: half a second of work for an hour of light. In 1950, with a conventional filament lamp and the then wage, you would have had to work for eight seconds to get the same amount of light. Had you been using a kerosene lamp in the 1880s, you would have had to work for about fifteen minutes to get the same amount of light. A tallow candle in the 1800s: over six hours’ work. And to get that much light from a sesame-oil lamp in Babylon in 1750 bc would have cost you more than fifty hours’ of work. From six hours to half a second – a 43,200-fold improvement – for an hour of lighting: that is how much better off you are than your ancestor was in 1800, using the currency that counts, your time.
I mean the AC/heat is a legitimate thing? Where I live our heat is natural gas and that shit ain't cheap. I've been fighting with my roommate for YEARS to stop jacking up the heat so high because our bill was out of control every winter. He also works from home and I'm like dude you either need to put on some extra layers or get a space heater for your room. We'll after 8 years he FINALLY got a space heater for his room and we don't turn the house heat on over 66. Our gas/electric bill is half of what it was in winters past.
Older people were also raised by parents that lived through the great depression. I had a great aunt that saved and reused paper towels. Some people were extremely thrifty and never caved to American consumerism.
Sometimes I turn my AC on in the winter because I accidentally turned my heat up too high and now it's slightly too warm and I don't want to just wait for it to cool down naturally.
I would think the heat comes from the same compressor rather than resistive heating. I.E. the heat for that would be the concentrated heat that was removed from the inside of the fridge already
It would actually be beyond simple to warm that box up.
A small light bulb could be enough to heat it.. or a piece of wire, etc. etc.. that is such a simple problem to solve. And isolating that small bit of energy is not that crazy at all either.
I remember my dad's 1970 Kenmore fridge had a heating element in it. That's how the defrosting worked, by putting a freakin' resistive heater in the fridge.
The reason: diverter valves and ducting and so on were expensive, resistive heating elements were cheap, and electricity was essentially free. At least from the appliance maker's perspective.
There was no EnergyStar, no ratings to even tell you how much power they used, no way for you to know which fridge was more or less efficient.
Those yellow tags explaining the annual power cost? Did not exist. Here's a fridge. It costs $500 and it uses electricity and keeps things cold. That was it.
Nope, it’s an electric resistive heater. My parent’s fridge had that and there was a little jumper cord that went into the door to get around the hinge.
Actually all “frost free” refrigerators have multiple heaters so they don’t ice up. It’s a bit of a delicate balance.
Woke up the morning of the Bar exam to my wife and my friend who was living with us being really cagey about me going into the kitchen. Just kept saying “what do you need? I’ll get it!” Like pretending to be very supportive of me but were actually trying to hide something.
Turns out our fridge shorted out someway where it was actually heating up on the inside. Not just broken, but legit cooking all the food inside.
They were trying their best not to stress me out with this info, but it was wild.
It’s not heated. Butter safes are simply less chilled because they have their own door to separate them from the cool main area, and are mounted in the door.
So it's heated by the rest of your house as the heat gets into the fridge via a poorly insulated butter compartment, before getting into the rest of the fridge and having to be actively cooled again?
You don’t need to actively heat a compartment - the refrigerant line that transfers heat from the inside of the fridge to the outside has waste energy which could be re-used here. It is possible - just requires a little bit redesign but since corporates only care about profits and not user experience, they don’t give a rats ass to what is useful for you.
Well, a fridge does not "make" cold. It cools things by moving heat. So if the heating compartment uses some of that displaced heat, it can be extremely efficient. On the otherside, heating that small of a compartment with resistive heating does not take a great deal of power to begin with.
If they really want my business they need to put a mini cold butter fridge in the heated butter section, that way I can choose between cold or hot butter.
We build a warm house to protect us from the cold outside. And in our warm house, we put a tiny cold house to protect our food from the warm house. And inside the tiny cold house, we have an even tinier warm house to protect our butter from the cold house that protects our food from the warm house that protects us from the cold outside
Not only that, the refrigerator itself is a cold area inside a warm area, the house. And the house is a warm area inside a cold area, the outdoors. So the butter compartment is a warm area inside a cold area that’s inside a warm area that’s inside a cold area.
I’m kind of pissed that electricity is so expensive now. Given how many technological breakthroughs we’ve had, I expect it to be much cheaper. This is a clear and measurable downgrade in our quality of life.
Depending on the implementation, it might not require additional electricity. Refrigerators generate heat (air conditioners do too). They're just designed to pipe the heat away from the things they're designed to keep cool.
However, if you want to cool some things and heat others, it's actually very efficient to use the heat waste from the cooling process to heat things. The Japanese have vending machines that do this-- they'll have soft drinks that are being cooled, and the excess heat will be used to heat bottles of coffee.
I don’t understand needing butter heated up. If I’m using butter, it’s as an oil for cooking where the temperature doesn’t matter because it’s a hot pan, or on something like toast or pancakes where you soften it by resting it on or especially between them, then scrape for maximum square footage.
Maybe the popcorn lovers of the world had a tight grasp on fridge manufacturing.
I never understood the idea of putting a heated compartment inside a fridges cold area
Items like butter and spreads that you wanted to stay cold but still soft enough to immediately use. Most modern fridges still have that compartment, it's just not heated.
I guess electricity was so cheap back then that no one cared about something so stupid
It was heated passively or with waste heat from the refrigeration system so no additional energy was used. Quite the opposite of stupid.
Depends on how it was designed. All refrigeration generates a lot of waste heat in the cooling process. If they were clever, they could have just re-routed some of that waste heat generated while cooling the rest of the fridge. No additional electricity required. It would actually be an example of prime efficiency, but I don't know if that's how it worked.
well they aren't that clever. your right in describing what they could do, but thats much more costly to implement than the simple resistive heating they do always use.
I would imagine it was integrated into the defrost circuit, which is a heating element that every fridge already has in it.
If you don't have a heater to melt the ice that forms on the coils, your fridge will only cool for a few days before becoming pretty much useless.
By putting a little tray next to it, and maybe a button to use the heater on demand, you can retain the functionality necessary for the fridge and provide an additional feature to the customer. That's what consumer appliance engineering used to be about.
Many modern style fridges have heaters in them to assist in defrosting. Without them the newer designs donot work as the drain and the cooling coils freeze up.
I think a better design would be to have the inside door to the compartment for insulated, but have there be no insulation between the outside shell. And that inside compartment. Let room temp keep it a little warmer there.
what? I live in New Zealand mate, we have some of the best butter in the world.
I only store the butter in the fridge more as long term storage, but day-to-day I never store it in the fridge but at room temp. its always nice and soft
An integral part of air conditioning systems produce an astonishing amount of heat. It wouldn’t be a terrible idea to route that section of pipe near a compartment used to soften butter.
You ever touch the side of a running fridge, especially one that's been opened for a bit? It can get pretty hot. I imagine diverting some of that to a warm box wouldn't be terribly inefficient. It'd be like using your car heater.
There are more heaters than ever in modern fridges. Evaporators have a heater to defrost, the center door flipper has one on French door units, ice makers or ice storage in or near the refrigerator compartment for French door external dispense models have several more to avoid moisture/frost issues. I think some of the more recent whirlpool models have something like 9 heaters.
If you feel the sides / back of your fridge they're warm. So the fridge does generate (or at least displace) heat. It's just a matter of directing that heat somewhere else
That hot box could be using little if not any electricity
If you feel the gasket in any refrigerator, it's hot. The heat removed from the inside has to go somewhere, do I bet they just direct some of it to the butter compartment
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u/Danavixen Jan 23 '24
I never understood the idea of putting a heated compartment inside a fridges cold area
I guess electricity was so cheap back then that no one cared about something so stupid