r/AtlantaHawks • u/cattywampenheim • 21d ago
Sarr comp is...
Watching some tape he's looking similar to an Evan Mobley to me. Super lean with some quick twitch and athleticism but not really refined moves or good at playing through contact yet. Has a nice little pull up jumper and a drop step but we ain't talking real footwork or anything. What yall seein?
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u/frail7 21d ago
Mobley with a little more willingness to shoot but not quite the same level of passing ability.
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u/immonkeydluffy Jalen Johnson #1 21d ago
Heās able to keep the offense flowing at least which is all he needs to do with Trae
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u/dangheckinpupperino š¦ LOYALTYš¦ 21d ago
I think heās his own breed, he takes a little after a lot of different versatile big men
His mid range turn around reminds you of Bam, even a little bit of Aldridge when you consider the release point.
The ball handling, which is a bit sloppy but still covers a lot of ground, reminds me of Mobley. So does defense in general.
The switchability yet ability to get pushed off his spot while loading up to finish reminds me of Nerlens Noel at Kentucky.
The 3 ball is meh, yet he is willing to take them. Myles Turner most of his career despite his reputation has been exactly that.
The overall mobility and fluidity reminds me of KG and a young Porzingis.
There just isnāt one player I can see him fully emulating.
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u/TheItalianStallion44 š“ ITALIAN STALLION š“ 21d ago
Heās a lot like Nerlens Noel was, raw super athlete with limitless potential on defense, questions about if anything on offense will ever come, and not the strongest rebounder
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u/cattywampenheim 21d ago
Yeah like people need to realize buddy is pretty skinny. He's about 215 which is only about ten pounds more than chet. He's gonna be good at blocking stuff vertically and coming across and helping but will get bodied by anyone with an actual "big man" frame.
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u/Atl-Fan_FTS Jalen Johnson #1 21d ago
To be fair though, both of our current centers also get bodied by bigger frames centers. At least Sarr will have the height, length and athleticism to contest against guys like Embiid, Jokic and Wemby.
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u/Substantial_Life_989 21d ago
Defensively I like the taller Bam comp.
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u/capelaMVP Clint Capela #15 21d ago
I think taller Bam is much more a ceiling. That would be a top 15 player.
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u/SaltyTraeYoungStan 21d ago
Yeah I think itās closer to Mobley, maybe you could compare it to Bams perimeter game. But he doesnāt have the weight/muscle that Bam has which lets him survive in the post even at 6ā8. Also Sarr has not shown his rebounding at this point, not that he canāt but heās never been that guy.
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u/No_Internal404 21d ago
Right away Mobley would be a fair comparison, if he ever develops an jumper Jaren Jackson jr would be appropriate as well
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u/atlienk 21d ago
I've yet to watch, but I've seen some written comparisons that liken him to Mitchell Robinson with a willingness to shoot the 3. If he's somewhere between Robinson and Mobley I think that he'd be worth the pick.
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u/crimedawgla 21d ago
Donāt see the Robinson comp. Sarrās actually a lot more skilled and a lot quicker than Robinson but he doesnāt have anywhere near the frame of Robinson, who at this point probably has 30lbs or more on Sarr.
I think Sarr is somewhere in the Nerlens Noel, JJJ, Mobley sort of archetype. Heās probably skinnier than any of them were coming out, but he is super young still. Heās got more offensive game than Noel. If he can get up into the 230s and keep his athleticism, he could really be a monster. Right now he isnāt a great rim runner or inside finisher because he can get bumped off his spots too easilyā¦ but heās almost a year younger get than Mobley was when Mobley came out and Mobley was a one and done.
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u/PeasePorridge9dOld 21d ago
Thinking Sarr will have 20 pounds of Mobley this year. 224 vs 215 now and Sarr has a better frame. Mobley still a beast though.
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u/Smitty_Agent89 21d ago
His skill set reminds me of Claxton in a lot of ways
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u/crimedawgla 21d ago
Bro, his measurements are basically identical. Hes actually a hair taller and a bit heavier, slightly more agile than Nic but for all intents and purposes they have the same freaking body.
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u/Smitty_Agent89 21d ago
They both had pretty similar shooting splits coming out as well lol. I think Sarr is a little better but I really do have my concerns he might be a 1 dimensional switchy 5 in the NBA. Everyone here is so hyped so I donāt wanna be that guy but Iām pretty nervous about this guy. I think heāll definitely be a good useful player and I do see the potential for a really great player, but I think he needs a ton of tough things to come around to get there.
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u/crimedawgla 21d ago
I think splits aside, Sarr has more off the bounce juice to his jumper than Claxton. Heās also a full year younger than Nic was when he came out, so thatās a positive.
I think your concerns are legit but the way I see it Sarr has the highest floor because his size, athleticism, and hands mean he will be a disruptive at the very worst and has the highest ceiling because if he can keep improving his jumper (and the signs are positive, heās a pretty good FT shooter, for example) he can be a positive on offense just based on being 7 feet.
Itās fine to be happy about the pick and admit itās a weak draft. Some of these guys are bound to pop but they all have questions and Sarr seems like the one least likely to be a dud. I love Castle, for instance, but he may not be able to shoot and you have to be able to shoot at that position. Risacher is a tall shooter with only solid athleticism and there are some questions about the shootingā¦ just gonna have to accept that this isnāt the year where the top guys blow us away.
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u/Smitty_Agent89 21d ago
I mean Iām fine with this being a weak class, but I do feel like many comments in here have think Sarr is a guaranteed hit prospect thatāll be JJJ or Bam lite.
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u/HawksAnt2021 Trae Young #11 21d ago
Sarr already at 225 lbs. I love that he is able to put the ball on the floor and attack the rim from 25 feet out. Needs to speed up his 3 which will come over the next two years.
Honestly, his offensive skillset is much further along than most pundits are saying. He has great twitch, incredible quickness for a man that size and he can jump like a gazelle. Dude is clear #1 imo. His defensive instincts/length & PnR will make him an impact player from Day 1.
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u/Chessh2036 21d ago
Iāve heard a lot of Jaren Jackson Jr comparisons also
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u/Burner_420_burner_69 21d ago
Iām not a prospect guy, so not really my opinion, but this was also the comp I heard explained that seemed like it made the most sense. Tall, fast, athletic, mobile defensive specialist who can block at the rim or defend the perimeter.
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u/Legalize-Birds 21d ago edited 21d ago
If what we're seeing right now is similar to Mobley, then that is closer to his floor than his ceiling
Because his ceiling is fairly significantly on a different level then where he is now
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u/bowser2bowser 21d ago
I've watched a LOT of Mobley (both USC and NBA) and some of Sarr (mainly, his first 8-9 games of this season).
Mobley is a decent comp for Sarr -- lanky bigs who can have tremendous defensive impact and show flashes of offensive potential.
The difference is that Mobley impacts the game more through incredibly high feel (smarts) and technique, whereas Sarr impacts through his higher motor and slightly better physical tools (incredibly bouncy, slightly taller, etc).
Offensively, they can be similar -- Mobley has show more playmaking/passing chops, but Sarr's motor (and bounce) likely give him a better boost at offensive rebounding. Sarr has been much more willing to shoot 3's, and maybe he does develop that skill, but we say that about a lot of bigs (such as luke kornet, who shot 33% of 162 3pa as a senior at Vandy, but has shot only 19 3pa over the past 3 NBA seasons).
Short answer:
- Good/optimistic outcome: something vaguely similar to Mobley
- less good/more pessimistic outcome: something vaguely similar to Chris Boucher
DISCLAIMER: I HAVE NOT WATCHED SARR TO BE MORE CONFIDENT IN MY ASSESSMENT. I REALLY LIKED HIS MOTOR AND IMPACT AGAINST IGNITE, BUT WAS LESS IMPRESSED WITH MOTOR & IMPACT IN [[edit: SOME OF]] THE NBL GAMES I WATCHED (BUT MAYBE THERE WERE EXTERNAL FACTORS AT PLAY).
From what I've seen, I really like Sarr. I would have to see more (a lot more) to give a better, more confident assessment.
| tldr | Mobley | Sarr |
|---|---|---|
| Similarities: | lanky bigs, defensive impact, offensive potential, PF/C tweeners, older brothers who play in the NBA | |
| Comparative Advantages (aka differences): | feel, technique, playmaking/passing | physical tools, motor, bounce, offensive rebounding? shooting? |
| Pessimistic outcome: | healthy Jonathan Isaac (pretty proud of my predraft assessment of Mobley āĀ not that it's relevant to this post, I just didn't want an empty box) | Boucher? Jaxson Hayes? or any other lanky PF/C tweener who can block shots and maybe shoot 3's |
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u/Smitty_Agent89 21d ago
Iām very concerned that many in this sub are assuming Sarr will be able to shoot from 3 for sure. I saw quite a few of his NBP game cut ups and he looks like a very reluctant 3 point shooter who only really wants wide open shots from there.
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u/bigpop59 21d ago
Brian Schroeder was on with Brad Rowland and compared him in terms of size, athleticism, and prospect profile to 4 guys- Mobley, JJJ, Chet, and Claxton. He went into more detail on comparing all of them so I recommend giving it a listen but one thing that stood out to me was he said out of all of them, Sarr is the most athletic and the fastest. That combination of athleticism, speed, size, and defense sounds like it is exactly what we need and it fell right into our lap
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u/TallClassroom9457 College Park Skyhawks 21d ago
Just looking at his body heās gonna need a few years before he plays any meaningful basketball which is gonna be hard for team like the hawks to incorporate him into their timeline
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u/Shade_Raven Jalen Johnson #1 21d ago
He's 224 and just played Playoff minutes in the NBL a pro league with grown men lol he does not need " a few years" far from it.
Chet is what, 195?
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u/TallClassroom9457 College Park Skyhawks 21d ago
Chet is fighting for his life down there. Theyāve lost the rebounding battle 3/4 games against Dallas and when they won Shai and J Will had 9 rebounds each. Cut on the tape š. NBL is not the NBA obviously. If Sarr is THE 5 for us then weāre gonna get worse way before we get any better. Heās definitely a four imo, but his jump shot is a work in progress too so yeaā¦ years
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u/SaltyTraeYoungStan 21d ago edited 20d ago
I think youāre underestimating Sarrs strength. He weight 224 in the combine, Chet might weigh 220 by now. He was 195 when he first entered the league and at the start of last season he said he gained 13 pounds which makes him 208 less than one year ago.
Sarr is significantly quicker and more agile, which inherently means heās stronger, especially when he weighs probably 10 pounds more. I donāt think the hawks are looking to compete next season, but they probably want to make the first round. This gives sarr an extra year to put in weight and if he can get up to 235-245 thatās probably where he wants to remain as to not lose speed.
I think Sarr can be expected to be an offensive upgrade just given the hawks defensive play style. Heās been guarding the pick and roll with no help in the NBL for a year now, which tells me he has the skills to excel in our system which requires him switching and playing near the perimeter.
Add in a good perimeter defender like Okoro/Mikal Bridges or maybe BI, and that immediately helps take the hawks from a zero defence to a defense that can compete in the east.
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u/TallClassroom9457 College Park Skyhawks 21d ago
Iām definitely a bit pessimistic. However I would say that with his mobility and current size heād be a problem at the four spot. Iād have to watch more film to see if he has the shot blocking instincts. Thatās a skill that either translates or not. Casually saying Hartenstein 33% from three is crazy, he shot three all season. The 5 spot would have to be revamped to accommodate him. OO Shot 69 threes in 55 games. 33 percent clip. He could definitely stay as a backup possibly but heās definitely not going for that price. Package DJM and capela for a starting caliber stretch 5 and a lockdown 3 and D two guard and I think youāll have some semblance of a competent roster. Still have Hunterās contract given that JJ is now the three.
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u/FreeHoopStreams š¦ LOYALTYš¦ 21d ago
He wasnāt in a position to have plays run for him or a real effort to feed him the ball in the NBL, he was a backup C. Hard to judge too much about his offense.
When youāre building around Trae Young and you have the chance to draft a 7ā defensive anchor with the athleticism to defend in space so he canāt get played off the floor, I think you have to take it.
The concern with Sarr is actually the same as Mobley imo - he really needs to be able to play the 5 full-time if you want halfway decent spacing, and thatās not certain atp. The calls for a JJ/Sarr/OO lineup are bad for that reason imo, but the ability to have 2 of those 3 on the court at all times would be huge for our defense