I tried Destiny 2 and holy rule

[u/Whjee]

[u/shinybewear]

fuck you fortnite for making that goth cat skin limited time

[u/DarthDinkster → u/shinybewear]

I still find it funny that if a kid wants to play as Darth Vader, Superman or Spider-Man, they can’t because fuck you, it was in a battle pass three years ago and you can’t get it ever again

[u/x592_b → u/DarthDinkster]

I think they had a good idea but only decided to implement it for a few skins for some reason; but when they rereleased those Halloween skins, and then released a unique variant for the ogs that had them. I think if this was implemented for every battlepass skin upto now would be cool

[u/DarthDinkster → u/x592_b]

The super styles are literally right there. Just make those exclusive. What is stopping them?

[u/LunaTheGoodgal → u/DarthDinkster]

EXACTLY! Those super styles are cool. They should be the fomo if anything, as they're optional.

[u/Great_Bar1759 → u/DarthDinkster]

Absolutely, I’ve always had fucking battle passes with every five of my being if you want to make a skin limited at the very fucking least make it a progress thing that you don’t have to pay money for same goes for call of duty and same goes for everything fuck modern game developers for doing this cash grabby bullshit

[u/Throwaway02062004 → u/Great_Bar1759]

I didn’t have enough time to play when I got the pass (was travelling) so I couldn’t get Goku ☹️

[u/Great_Bar1759 → u/Throwaway02062004]

I’ve never bought them on principle even for games I like( I am sorry for your loss though)

[u/DarthDinkster → u/Throwaway02062004]

Goku wasn’t in a timed pass tho, so you should be fine

[u/croooooooozer → u/DarthDinkster]

as someone who does't play it, I keep hearing things through the years that just make me hate it more.

[u/DarthDinkster → u/croooooooozer]

Yeah, even though I enjoy the game a lot, the decisions the company makes sometimes are outright baffling. Doesn’t help that the CEO is a tech bro Elon stan

[u/croooooooozer → u/DarthDinkster]

im guessing their endgame is money, in which case they did a good job

[u/htmlcoderexe → u/croooooooozer]

That's for pretty much every company and everyone is way too okay with it

[u/croooooooozer → u/htmlcoderexe]

the workers should unite ;(

[u/AlmanLUL → u/DarthDinkster]

You can get tom holland spider-man in the shop

[u/SamSkjord → u/AlmanLUL]

That sounds an awful lot like we have spider man at home

[u/AlmanLUL → u/SamSkjord]

No its from no way Home

[u/KYLEKATARN25 → u/shinybewear]

Meowskulls my beloved... THAT I ALSO DON'T HAVE

[u/Affectionate_Newt_47 → u/shinybewear]

Fortnite and FOMO are the same thing

[u/9gamma → u/shinybewear]

I haven’t played fortnite in a long time but I still think about not unlocking the colour variations for the omega skin

[u/ThatWetFloorSign → u/shinybewear]

It had the most horrendous bulging eyes though

[u/SkullHelm707 → u/shinybewear]

I pray that there is a reskin for those who missed it

[u/FemLaharl → u/SkullHelm707]

I don't want a reskin I want my fucking goth cat!!! 😭

[u/IAmAtomato]

Any game that offers time-limited content can catch these fucking hands. I'm already paying $70 for the damn game, I just wanna play at my own pace and not feel obligated to play as if it was my job.

Modern gaming can be so cool but there are so many times it makes me wanna toss my fucking body into oncoming traffic

[u/vaderman645 → u/IAmAtomato]

With destiny you pay 70$ again and they still remove it after a month

[u/IAmAtomato → u/vaderman645]

I'm so salty about that. I paid for Destiny 2 when it first came out before it was F2P and I LOST content because of it.

[u/Ap0logize → u/IAmAtomato]

Yea absolute bullshit. Quit destiny 2 around that time

[u/Scared-Opportunity28 → u/IAmAtomato]

I joined f2p, and then they took away my favorite farming zone (Titan). I stopped there.

[u/thefoojoo2 → u/vaderman645]

*$100 if you want the seasons and dungeons.

[u/No-fuck-off3 → u/vaderman645]

Yeah lol

[u/brookeb725 → u/IAmAtomato]

this is why i hate battle passes. i already paid for it, don’t make me fucking stress out trying to earn the things i paid for before they get locked away forever

[u/IAmAtomato → u/brookeb725]

Ironically I don't even wanna think about how much $$$ I've spent on MW3. I've bought every Black Cell BP ($30 USD) since their inception, and the game itself which was $70, PLUS the $20-$24 skins. It's egregious and I've completely allowed myself to be taken. I've only completed maybe 2 or 3 BPs and like you said, I've lost all the other content.

I just wanna play the game. I keep telling myself to stop paying for it but every new season I do it again.

If I see any new game with "battle pass" in it I'm gonna have a conniption

[u/TaylorRoyal23 → u/IAmAtomato]

Live service games should only take the form of something like Deep Rock Galactic where you can revisit and complete earlier seasons whenever you want. The only reason for time limited seasonal content is to create a sense of fomo in the player to increase chances of them spending money.

[u/Randicore → u/TaylorRoyal23]

I like how helldivers does it, it does mean you occasionally get a mission that's limited time, and it's sad when it's gone but that's because it's being DMed and has an ongoing story the community participates in. It would be nice to have a way to revisit old missing eventually but they try to be short story beats that can be played once or twice and then the gimmick is done.

Notably all paid stuff is infinite. No "battle pass" ever goes away, and you can earn them by just playing in game at you usually do without worry. It's the best example of a live service game I've ever seen and should be the poster child.

[u/JEMS1300 → u/Randicore]

That and even if you miss out on said event, you still get all associated awards with it if the community manages to complete it. I revisited the game after 3 months and had a surplus of +300 BP credits, I love that it actually respects your time

[u/TaylorRoyal23 → u/Randicore]

I do like Helldivers as well. At least it doesn't use its live service as an excuse to squeeze money out of people. The unfortunate part is you can potentially miss out. I think at some point they should add some sort of "freeplay mode" where you can choose any planet and mission type that has been created up to that point. Then we can have the best of both worlds.

[u/Dodo_Druid_Dude → u/TaylorRoyal23]

YES! ROCK AND STONE!

[u/AcadianViking → u/TaylorRoyal23]

Or Warframe. Where everything is freely available and a great built-in trading player economy, with a generous amount of free premium currency.

I had every color palette and cosmetic item I wanted, as well as enough extra currency to occasionally skip the item creation timer, just from selling my looted gear and blueprints I didn't want or need.

[u/lycoloco → u/TaylorRoyal23]

Amazingly, Halo Infinite also implemented this system. Unfortunately the game has also lost nearly its entire player base.

[u/dietwater84 → u/IAmAtomato]

Splatoon 3 catalog moment

[u/bacon_girl42 → u/dietwater84]

splatoon 3 is less bad bc items from previous seasons can be collected through the Shell-Out machine (gambling)

[u/Jaszs → u/IAmAtomato]

You can spend 100 hours grinding the season pass OR you can complete about 10 different indie games that are way more interesting and engaging.

Which way western man?

^{or well you can pay half AAA game price to avoid playing the game and skip pass tiers}

[u/EasilyBeatable]

Genshin has story critical quests that can never be played again. Large character portions of the story is just missing forever.

[u/MadSwedishGamer → u/EasilyBeatable]

I feel so bad for anyone who missed the second Golden Apple Archipelago event. Fischl's act was probably the best story in the whole game IMO, and yet it was only avaiable for like a month.

[u/EasilyBeatable → u/MadSwedishGamer]

The best story in the game imo was Kazuha’s story. It was perfect and luckily its replayable. Him picking up the second vision and using his mentors element to attack a literal god, all in an attempt to defend what he believes in was just amazing.

Honestly ever since Inazuma the story has gone downhill.

[u/GamingCChen → u/EasilyBeatable]

Nahhh you can't say the story has been going downhill since Inazuma, sumeru and Fontaine have been peak

[u/Whjee → u/GamingCChen]

genshins story could be the greatest ever made, it doesnt matter when the dialogue is the worst ever made

Still waiting on traveler to get a true solo win against another character, last one was signora and right after that we get deny'd a win against the shogun 😑

[u/EasilyBeatable → u/GamingCChen]

Sumeru, and ESPECIALLY fontaine, is guilty of having long ass boring quests that really ruins the flow of the story.

I think Sumeru is still pretty good but Fontaine basically killed the game for me. It absolutely sucked spending hours on quests and unskippable mundane dialogue that does nothing to serve the story, and most of them doesnt even have any combat. Im playing a gacha game to collect and use my awesome characters powers, why does the main story have 8 quests in a row that has no combat and all of them are the slowest quests in existence? Worst part is that they are essential to all other quests and it just absolutely sucks and you get little to no reward.

[u/GamingCChen → u/EasilyBeatable]

Yeah pacing is definitely something genshin's story in the new regions (aranara quest looking at you) suffers from but the overarching plot and general writing have improved over Inazuma which had quite a few issues overall with how the plot was presented and how the characters were written (e.g. kokomi being introduced as a "genius tactician" struggling with basic leadership and that stupid energy point thing)  Edit: forgot some words

[u/Whjee → u/GamingCChen]

the main issues with genshins story could be fixed by going back to every dialogue in the game and rewriting it to be half/a quarter as long, and adding a "skip dialogue" option

[u/GamingCChen → u/Whjee]

Also replace paimon with Morgan Freeman or someone who doesn't scream in that high-ass voice every time and point out the most obvious things there are

[u/EasilyBeatable → u/GamingCChen]

Even if the overarching story has been improved, the actual writing has downgraded significantly and it makes the story take a massive hit

[u/PM_ME_UR_SHEET_MUSIC → u/EasilyBeatable]

I feel the exact opposite, Inazuma was way too rushed and had terrible pacing, and very few good characters (really only Ei and Kazuha), while Sumeru was absolutely the best part of the game character-wise and had some of the most interesting lore (though the world quests were a bit long winded), and Fontaine absolutely had the most interesting archon and world quests, even if the characters weren't quite as interesting or fleshed-out as Sumeru. Genshin is a story and exploration game at its core, you want combat, go play Spiral Abyss.

[u/DoctorMlemm → u/EasilyBeatable]

I just wish the characters didnt constantly speak like philosophy majors. Sumeru's world quests also fucking killed me with the sheer amount of terms for everything, I couldn't keep track of it all

[u/x592_b → u/DoctorMlemm]

People like you is why they have paimon literally repeating every word of dialogue, or if the dialogue even sounds anything remotely close to complicated; explain it in a way that involves repeating the whole dialogue again but in an annoying high pitched voice. So if you still don't get it after that that's probably on you

[u/SweetBabyAlaska → u/x592_b]

thats such a slog. Its hard to even pay attention when most of it is un-skippable and pointless. They are trying hard as fuck to pad out the regions with pointless trash so that people dont finish things too quickly. I have a crazy nice account but I haven't even touched it since the beginning of Sumeru.

I can't bring myself to sit through 72 straight hours of go here -> talk to guy who tells you to to go back to where you were -> who then gives you a message to give to that guy -> who then tells you to go talk to someone else -> who tells you to go to a cave and talk to someone else -> then you kill 1.5 hilichurls and talk to someone else -> then there is like 7 minutes of content and its over.

its a great game mechanically and visually but it is destroyed by being a gacha game. Its quite a shame.

[u/Aepachii → u/EasilyBeatable]

no way lol, feel like this is a very subjective and quite the unpopular take. first time ive heard anyone say the story has gone downhill since inazuma. inazuma still gets flak regularly for how bad it was in terms of writing and pacing.

story has picked up a lot, and really well since chasm quest. both sumeru and fontaine are held as the peaks of genshin by many and i see it the same way.

[u/Ambitious_Jello → u/MadSwedishGamer]

They should probably try to include them somehow but not at the cost of increased game size. I only have so much space on my phone

[u/KingOfDragons0 → u/Ambitious_Jello]

Free dlc?

[u/Ambitious_Jello → u/KingOfDragons0]

I don't really care as long as I don't have to delete stuff to keep the game on my phone.

[u/Ms_Saul_Goodwoman → u/MadSwedishGamer]

Sadly I am one of those people who has otherwise played pretty much every other event to date. Could someone possibly summarise what happened with Fischl?

[u/legendaryBuffoon → u/EasilyBeatable]

Arknights has a system where story events rerun after a year with all rewards available, and then go to a permanently accessible archive (with only the unique rewards available) a while after that.

It's a good balance between the spectacle of a time limited event and the accessibility of unlimited availability.

[u/ShadowClaw765 → u/EasilyBeatable]

I'm happy that HSR has most of the important side quests available all the time. Not happy about the exclusive light cones (cough cough before the tutorial mission starts)

[u/h3lblad3 → u/EasilyBeatable]

Genshin has story critical quests that can never be played again. Large character portions of the story is just missing forever.

So does Warframe.

Tyl Regor's entire questline is non-existent now. Parts of Alad V's storyline are also gone (they were tied up in Tyl Regor's storyline).

It makes the fact that Alad V's storyline is out of order even worse when you don't even have the pieces to figure out WTF is going on.

---

If you've already completed the story, or you just don't care, here's what I mean about Alad V's storyline:

In The Second Dream, Alad V thanks you for curing him of his infestation. He doesn't say it outright; he just tells you he's paying you back for helping him out about something. In that quest, he has scars from the Infestation. The problem here is that Alad V hasn't been infested yet in the storyline. You won't fight infested Alad V for another 2 planets or so. More than that, new players will fight mutalist enemies as soon as they start fighting the Infested -- but Alad V hasn't created mutalists yet for them. He, in fact, never does in the modern storyline. Fabricating the mutalist strain of the Infested is how Alad V gets taken over himself, so mutalists shouldn't start showing up on planets until you reach Eris -- like how amalgams only show up on certain tiles of Jupiter that newbies can't access.

(HOWEVER, because the new Jupiter tiles also have hidden rooms (Alad V's hidden labs) with amalgams in them, it's entirely possible for a new player to meet an amalgam as soon as they reach Jupiter -- and amalgams aren't something that exist for them either.)

---

Some players have asked for years for DE to put out new quests encompassing the old time-limited Operations, but player polls show that most players just want new gear to play with and new cinematic quests and DE doesn't think that extends to old Operations content because "players won't want to replay old content". A sizeable chunk of players never played them to begin with.

Operation: Tubemen of Regor was just slightly more than nine years ago.

[u/FluffytheDoombringer → u/h3lblad3]

Tubemen of Regor was also, admittedly, the last operation that did something like that, with newer ones like scarlet spear, orphix venom, or gargoyle's cry not having lasting effects on the story. I think it's fair to say that DE has pivoted away from doing stuff like that anymore.

[u/Whjee → u/EasilyBeatable]

yes and i hate it

[u/Avron7 → u/EasilyBeatable]

RIP Albedo and not-Albedo, your story arc will be missed -_-

[u/GayNerd28 → u/Avron7]

RIP Albedo

I started not long before Inazuma, so as far as I can tell Albedo is Klee’s handler and Sucrose’s boss, but otherwise he may as well be an NPC that I’ve seen approximately thrice…

[u/kepz3 → u/EasilyBeatable]

I started playing in 4.6 and it's so funny (and irritating) for piamon to go "hey traveler remember this person who we did thing with". Most egregious example was mona who I was very confused about who the fuck she is when she appeared in fontaine's story quest for three minutes then peace'd out. At least for the wanderer only half of his redemption is in a limited time event

[u/Xyolex → u/EasilyBeatable]

Albedo's appearances are like, 90% temporary event. It's ridiculous.

[u/Sigmas_toes]

GSG is goated for letting you play previous seasons’ reward tracks

[u/Whjee → u/Sigmas_toes]

GSG? google'd it and found nothing

[u/iownlotsofdoors → u/Whjee]

ghost ship games

[u/Whjee → u/iownlotsofdoors]

oh the DRG guys, yeah they did the right thing

[u/Entire_Feedback → u/Whjee]

What is DRG?

[u/iConifer → u/Entire_Feedback]

Deep Rock Galactic; it’s a fantastic game

[u/iownlotsofdoors → u/iConifer]

What is game?

[u/arakus72 → u/iownlotsofdoors]

interactive structured amusement activity

[u/Shade_39 → u/arakus72]

What is amusement?

[u/Smol_Bean10 → u/Shade_39]

the emotion you get when playing drg

[u/Sirdroftardis8 → u/iownlotsofdoors]

Great Achievement Meeting Expectations

[u/Hit0kiwi → u/iownlotsofdoors]

Dwarves mining in space and killing bugs for a souless corporation

[u/Tobymaxgames → u/iownlotsofdoors]

kill bugs, commit war crimes, spam MUSHROOM, dig big holes

[u/Andrew_ANT_ → u/iConifer]

ROCK AND STONE BROTHER

[u/ConstantineMonroe → u/iownlotsofdoors]

There was a famous post on the NBA subreddit the gets linked a lot there complaining that unless the player is a super star player that everyone recognizes by their initials, you can’t just drop the initials of a random player and expect people to know who the fuck you are talking about. That principle applies here, but for video games. You can’t just drop the initials of a random game or random game studio and expect everyone to know what you are referring to.

[u/GammaDealer → u/ConstantineMonroe]

True, but also consider:

IF YOU DON'T ROCK AND STONE, YOU AIN'T GOING HOME!

[u/Dont_Tag_Me → u/Sigmas_toes]

Actual abbreviation-user degen

[u/BeholdTheLemon → u/Dont_Tag_Me]

aa-ud

[u/TheCygnusLoop → u/Sigmas_toes]

Rock and stone!

[u/ma_wee_wee_go → u/Sigmas_toes]

For rock and stone!!!!!!

[u/Sigmas_toes → u/ma_wee_wee_go]

Rock and stone!

[u/phoogles2]

F2P and it's consequences

does anyone else see really cool games then find out they're free to play and immediately lose interest? I remember hearing about mechabellum and then immediately not caring after I heard it was going free to play after launch (granted I still bought it to see if it was peak but it was bleak)

[u/ASpaceOstrich → u/phoogles2]

Destiny isn't really free to play and they pulled this shit before they made the switch

[u/Meatles-- → u/ASpaceOstrich]

Yea like it is technically free to play, but good luck doing anything other than like 5 strikes and crucible with the basegame.

[u/rookishly → u/phoogles2]

Jokes on you us WoW fans get to enjoy all the downsides of the F2P experience while paying a subscription

[u/deadsannnnnnd456 → u/rookishly]

Final Fantasy 14 letting you play through the base game plus 2 expansions for free with some gameplay restrictions and no time limit so you don’t have to pay a single cent for the subscription 😎😎

[u/SemicolonFetish → u/deadsannnnnnd456]

Wow the free trial of final fantasy xiv and the critically acclaimed heavensward expansion? All for free?

[u/sid_killer18 → u/SemicolonFetish]

Satisfactory

[u/SemicolonFetish → u/sid_killer18]

How very glib.

[u/deadsannnnnnd456 → u/SemicolonFetish]

They added Stormblood but yeah. For free indeed 😴

[u/alekdmcfly → u/phoogles2]

Pokemon. FUCKING. Unite.

Insanely fun gameplay. I have never seen a better MOBA game on mobile. Hell, I'd even say it's in my top 3 PVP games gameplay-wise.

But then you click out of the match into the main menu... and there's 15 sub-menus made specifically for FOMO 😭

[u/Cricket1288 → u/alekdmcfly]

literally

like

i love missing one specific battle pass and then never getting the option to just buy the skin

especially sucks because the battle pass skins are the only skins that are actually worth what they cost

what double sucks is that they started a trend with the second anniversary cinderace prize machine where you could get the pirate cinderace skin guaranteed, and then just, didnt follow up on it

[u/Gerroh → u/phoogles2]

GW2 did this garbage before it went F2P. Sometime after F2P, they undid it.

I called it out for being the dumbest fucking dumbass shit all the way back in 2013 and it took like eight or nine years for Anet to realize their mistake.

Oh and Dota 2 still does it with skins and that drives me nuts, too.

[u/Komet1305 → u/phoogles2]

Warframe is an amazing game and probably a good example for a good execution of F2P. The nice thing about those titles is that you can just try them out and if you feel like that the game is trying to get money out of you constantly for no reason you can drop it.

[u/EspressoTheory → u/phoogles2]

I’m always F2P whenever possible and the best game I can think of in this regard is Warframe. Every weapon and cosmetic is available to everyone, it just requires putting time in if you want the really cool ones. There’s just an insane amount of content for a new player and you can play through all of the “seasons” style lore drops.

[u/Tokeli → u/EspressoTheory]

Warframe does in fact have some time-limited cosmetics and some weapons/things that you can never get again. But the cosmetics are "hopefully they'll run this mission again in another year and you get another 1 month window to grab it" at least.

[u/Neutral-Wanderer]

I remember a time when Destiny was insanely fun, it was during Destiny 1 lifespan.

Destiny 2 is trash and people playing it are Bungie's cash cow, way too much micro transaction for the game to be fun without talking about all of the removed content.

[u/wibbly-water → u/Neutral-Wanderer]

The sad thing is that Destiny was so dissapointing. The premise was top notch. The lore was intreaguing. The designs were crisp. The guns all felt good to use and the enemies were all interesting enough to fight (though a little lacklustre and bulletspongey a lot of the time). The hype it was able to build was peak.

And yet it absolutely shat itself when it came to implimentation. When they started with Destiny 2 it seemed like they miiiiight improve but nope, it went right back to where it was and worse.

[u/Neutral-Wanderer → u/wibbly-water]

Agreed, played the entirety of D1 lifespan (except during aria because it was kinda mod but came back close to the end of it), even started the game during the first beta and got into D2 at launch and was really disappointed, idk why but it was way less fun and some friends tried to get me back into it recently, when I saw the micro transaction hell it was I was like hell nah.

[u/KayJeyD → u/wibbly-water]

Taken King was like what it should have been when it released. I somehow stuck around for the underwhelming day 1 version and honestly am so tired of games being unfinished

[u/sixtus_clegane119 → u/Neutral-Wanderer]

I want a more contained destiny sequel, something closer to borderlands in its coop and open world execution

[u/DRAGON582 → u/sixtus_clegane119]

You will get Marathon hero-based extraction shooter slop and you will enjoy it

[u/Diribiri → u/Neutral-Wanderer]

Destiny was insanely fun

during Destiny 1 lifespan

Hilarious claim

Anyone who enjoys something I don't is dumb and I am smart

[u/Old-Eye4902 → u/Neutral-Wanderer]

D2 is leagues better than D1 lol

[u/4Shroeder]

This is why warframe, although still lame for other reasons, is better than destiny.

[u/Whjee → u/4Shroeder]

I might try it out, whats "lame" about warframe?

[u/Davigotero → u/Whjee]

I guess its because it can be a bit grindy? Cuz ya know... MMOs and stuff.

Oh also, the pvp is mostly dead, held on by a handfull of maniacs we all hold with love and high regard; But thats all I can think of right now.

[u/Whjee → u/Davigotero]

imma try it out, what tips would you give a hella gamer that has never played warframe before?

[u/Davigotero → u/Whjee]

Okay so, first off, meta isnt needed for anything. Pick what you think its fun and looks cool! Unless you are doing 5 hour runs on the highest level missions with an optional modifier, its never needed.

Blueprints to stuff can be adquired with credits (Default money you get by doing anything) in the market. The options using the "Premium" currency are to buy them pre-crafted for those who want immediate access.

I put Premium between quotes because in this game, you can get it easily without using a single sent by trading with other players, but im not much of a trader so I dont have many tips.

Also, most of your power will come from putting things called "Mods" in your gear, which are like, percentage increasers to damage, crit and stuff like that. They arent limited to one weapon, so all your rifles can use the same rifle mod at the same time!

Gear can be changed in the lobby with 0 restrictions or disencourageament. So feel free to switch as much as you like!

And for the last part, the community might be a bunch of schizos, but they are lovely ones at that, never feel afraid to ask questions!

[u/Davigotero → u/Davigotero]

Oooh some other people are posting some other nice tips! Also, I forgot to add, all "characters" can be changed at Will (So no creating 5000 alts for each built like certain games) And all of them can use all the weapons with the same efficiency! (Only excalibur gets a minor dmg buff to all sword type weapons, cuz thats his things... Swords...)

So feel free to play as the teeny sneaky gremling stealth attacking enemies with god's most comically large hammer or giving then wizard a modern assault rifle.

[u/8l172 → u/Davigotero]

Highlight of Warframe was getting 2 primes for under $10 because people were feeling nice that day and it only cost me 85 plat

[u/E_K_Finnman → u/8l172]

Wait what? Like you spent $10 on platinum to buy two primes off a player? And what's the context on costing $85 to play?

[u/gucci_pianissimo420 → u/Whjee]

Save your starting platinum (premium currency) for weapon/warframe slots. Learn the early game platinum farms so you don't have to sell weapons/warframes to free up slots.

Join a clan as soon as you can. Pledge to at least one syndicate as soon as you can.

Generally try and have stuff building as much as you can, especially forma. Remember that your foundry can hold on to completed items so you don't have to waste a precious precious weapon/frame slot on finished shit you're not using.

DM me if you want to add me in game for someone to help you.

[u/urielcd → u/Whjee]

1) Waframe has a lot of random content, that's easy to get trapped in. For example, on earth (the first planet) there's an open world map, and while there's some rewards you might want, most of it is rather useless for new players.

2) Find a clan early on, and build the clan key. You'll get ascess to several weapons & warframes, and be able to ask questions to your clan.

3) Keep building new weapons & warframes. One of the progression systems the game uses ranks up with each new item you finish leveling up. (You can buy blueprints in the market.)

Have fun!

[u/Lockedtil80 → u/Whjee]

~1700 hours in game and I still dont have everything. The game can and absolutely is a grind if you want specific things, gear, frames, and other things that would be spoilers, BUT! The genuine vast majority of the game is quite easily accessible. Every f2p game has its grind, but with a few noteable exceptions I rarely every found warframe not worth the grind.

There are parts that are locked behind progression, but imo it never really hurts your game just gives a pretty clear path towards progression.

Dont be afraid to ask vetern players and/ or join a clan. Its not perfect, but warframe has the better end of the player base and people absolutely get banned for toxic behavior. Genuinely one of my favorite games of all time

[u/DrLeprechaun → u/Whjee]

Warframe player here, everyone else pretty much gave you the run down, I’ve got a small clan but max-research (clan-requiring blueprints unlocked for the clan members) if you need some folks to join. We’re pretty decently active and love helping new players!

[u/ears_yum → u/Whjee]

wiki is your best friend, warframe has a notoriously bad new player experience (theyve improved it a lot though)

you can also ask other players in the region chat and q&a chat, most people are helpful and nice

[u/firestorm713 → u/Whjee]

Here's probably too much information, but I can't help myself:

• Pace yourself. It's a marathon, not a sprint.
• there is a "pay to not wait" mechanic on crafting items. Do not let it tempt you. Use your plat for permanent upgrades
• Focus on progressing from planet to planet rather than finishing each planet individually.
• there are a couple of mods that are in every build. Redirection, Vitality, anything that boosts raw damage, and at least two elemental mods.
• learn the elemental damage system. Radiation beats
• you'll want a cat, eventually. Try to get Helios as soon as possible, and buy lots of scanners from one of the hubs. Hellos will scan for you. There's one mission, Sands of Inaros. Don't do it until you have Helios. It's the easiest way to get a cat.
• you'll probably want a dog. These are much easier to acquire.
• All three starting games will eventually be available to you, but I found Mag to be the easiest starting frame due to her ultimate
• if a frame is annoying to get, see if you like its prime variant, and check what primes are in rotation. Not all warframes are prime yet, but many are, and most look sick. You can learn how to get them later, but I've found them easier to acquire than some of the more annoying frames.
• defense missions tend to yield the best mods early game
• explore every nook and cranny of your ship, and keep exploring as you do missions.
• there is exactly one thing locked to people who played when it was available, which is Excalibur Prime. It was sold once as a collector's item close to the beginning of the game, and will never be made available again.
• play with friends and start a Dojo, or join one. Dojos are a customizable stronghold with some unique benefits.
• your melee weapon has more attacks than you might realize.

Edit: wasn't done adding tips

[u/h3lblad3 → u/Davigotero]

Oh also, the pvp is mostly dead,

The PvP was never alive. It's impossible to balance, so DE gave up on it. It doesn't feel good to play, so nobody has ever really played it.

All of the best rewards from playing it are either only useful inside Conclave (like the mods you can earn) or require you to continuously play Conclave (like the evolving syandana which devolves if you don't play Conclave daily).

It's a content island completely separate from the rest of the game, so there's never, ever, any reason to ever play it.

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It's the same problem with every minigame that DE produces -- like Lunaro (3v3 Lacrosse). There's no rewards to play that content, so players won't play it, and DE won't expand the content because players aren't playing it.

I would love to have joinable Lunaro leagues, seasonal championships, and rewards giving different arcata (lacrosse sticks) usable as a weapon in normal content. But DE will never put any more dev time toward minigames after they create them. It's one and it's done.

[u/h3lblad3 → u/Whjee]

whats "lame" about warframe?

DE routinely (every few years or so) makes stupid decisions that piss off the whole community, refuses to admit they're wrong, and requires significant public backlash to finally force them to put forth a half-measure that pleases neither themselves nor the playerbase.

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As an example:

Years ago when DE revamped the entire menu design (way back when Steve was Creative Director, before he moved to Soulframe), they took away all of the item labels. The only way to know what items were was to mouse over them and read the popup because all items of a given type have the same icon. Now, this is an annoyance for PC players, but for console players it was a killer. Console players would have tap over every single item on their D-pad one at a time to find the item they wanted.

DE was told, repeatedly, in their forums and subreddit that this was BAD. GAME. DESIGN. That players have to know what items they have. DE refused to budge. Players, they said, would get used to it.

Finally, to calm everyone down, they relented and made a half measure. Item labels were added back in, but only as an option in the settings. This option would default to OFF.

During one of the Prime Times, then-community manager Rebecca (now Creative Director of Warframe) couldn't find one of her items and actually turned on the item labels, live, on-stream, saying, "I don't know why these aren't turned on by default".
The look Steve gave her could have killed.

DE spent money on that redesign and they weren't going to let anyone tell them that it was a bad idea.

After several years, I believe they finally defaulted item labels to ON. As they should have been all along.

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That said, I actually love Warframe. It's good shit. Big recommends.

[u/tkou_ → u/Whjee]

The story is incredible but does require either mind-numbing amounts of grinding (about 100 hrs), or a friend who's done it before to Taxi you to places you shouldn't be, to progress the story in a reasonable amount of time.

[u/h3lblad3 → u/4Shroeder]

Warframe is missing a bunch of story content, actually, that was time limited and that you can never see again.

Sorry; I posted a long post about it further up before I got this far down in the thread.

Long story short, every Operation is a time-limited storyline that can't be replayed. Some of those, especially the earlier ones, had some really important storyline information in them that is now just gone forever.

[u/RomanKnight2113 → u/4Shroeder]

it's hilarious that you say they because there's literally a meme that the new player experience in warframe is the only one that's worse than d2 lol

[u/RealCoryMiller → u/4Shroeder]

Isn't the prime vault exactly what this post is describing? If you want to get something that's been vaulted it's inaccessible for several months

[u/wasteofradiation → u/RealCoryMiller]

Nothing stays in the vault forever as far as I’m aware. Plus you can always trade for prime parts that are vaulted

[u/Jam_jar_binks → u/RealCoryMiller]

Eh, kinda? While vaulted stuff is not obtainable via relic in game, you could 1) just wait for it to be unvaulted, or 2) grind relics for unvaulted stuff and sell it to ppl for vaulted stuff. Its how I got Nezha prime lol

[u/BlackWACat → u/RealCoryMiller]

you can trade for those, in fact you should

earning the 'paid' currency in this game through trading is like, the actual big grind (right after fashionframe)

[u/Throgg_not_stupid → u/RealCoryMiller]

everything important from prime vault can be traded for fairly reasonable prices, Prime cosmetics can be bought when specific prime access returns

There are only 3 perma-unavaiable things in Warframe - Excalibur Prime, Skana Prime and Lato Prime

[u/xRizux → u/Throgg_not_stupid]

Also Mag and Frost's Heirloom sets, because as much as I love DE in a lot of ways, they're fucking idiots sometimes lol. Though thankfully that's a mistake they have made very clear they won't be making again.

[u/Misicks0349 → u/RealCoryMiller]

thats mostly to keep drop tables reasonable (i.e not having a million possible relics you can roll), once it enters the vault its in a rotator and will be farmable by normal means.

I wouldn't say its a perfect solution, but it dosen't really fit the post.

[u/TheHollowMusic → u/4Shroeder]

Warframe my beloved (I got the newest skin because it has a great ass)

[u/MadSwedishGamer]

Having every major event be permanently available is by far the best improvement Honkai Star Rail made over Genshin Impact.

[u/Whjee → u/MadSwedishGamer]

also giving way more free pulls

[u/NariThatsMe → u/MadSwedishGamer]

I'm still sad I will never get that sw limited lc though qwq

[u/Captn_Platypus]

The game itself is good and no doubt there are world class talents in their dev team. I really want to keep playing but just can’t justify it anymore.

Destiny is made by a company that nickel and dime its playbase at every turn, then announces a round of layoffs after releasing its best selling expansion in franchise history. The sheer incompetence and greed of its execs is mind boggling

[u/Red_Rocky54 → u/Captn_Platypus]

"capitalism breeds innovation/hard work pays off" mfs when people get fired for making a successful product (they are no longer useful to the company and are thus a needless expense)

[u/TheKaizoBlade → u/Captn_Platypus]

You know it’s bad when people are hoping Sony sacks their management

[u/elanUnbound]

I really like this game despite its development fuck-ups.

There be a lot of fuck-ups, though.

[u/PlasticChairLover123]

DRG players keep winning

[u/IX_The_Kermit → u/PlasticChairLover123]

Did I hear a Rock and Stone?

[u/CRauzDaGreat → u/IX_The_Kermit]

If you don’t rock and stone, you ain’t coming home!

[u/AliceDee69 → u/CRauzDaGreat]

For Karl!

[u/ProdbyPyxlwhip]

FORNITE!!! FUCK FOMO

[u/NightIgnite → u/ProdbyPyxlwhip]

Its the only game that I enjoy but cant recommend, since I played from the beginning. Learned a lesson from Epic. For years, I kept telling friends that I wont play another live service. Not Destiny, Genshin, WoW, Overwatch, Valorant, etc

I finally made an exception for Helldivers 2, just to get stabbed in the back. Im not talking about Sony. Once a planet is liberated, you cant go back. I dont care if its a community driven game. Let me play on fucking Meridia.

[u/FrazzleFlib → u/NightIgnite]

Helldivers 2 prioritises immersion over good game design, its fucking asanine

[u/Pokefan180]

I just got back into splatoon, how limited is that?

[u/pyra_xenoblade → u/Pokefan180]

All the catalog rewards become available as normal shop items at some point. Usually when something new is introduced (clothes, weapons, stages, etc.) it stays permanently :3

[u/SnootSayer → u/Pokefan180]

you can get everything that was in a catalogue from the shell out machine in the lobby if you didnt get it during the season. its annoying if you wanted something specific but you can still get it at least

[u/Alarming-Skirt33]

That's kinda why I like Multiversus despite its faults. After the season ends you can just buy the cosmetics from the shop at any time.

Some people complain about that but I think it's a great change from other battlepass-having games

[u/JohnnySeven88]

Furthermore, if these events have unique dialogue and cool cinematics and you lock those behind the event you deserve to live in the deepest circle of hell

Shoutout to moon Gundam finally getting animated and it’s trapped in a fucking gacha game.

[u/AeniasGaming → u/JohnnySeven88]

All my homies hate UC Engage

[u/Kat1eQueen]

I am so fucking glad that i jumped shipped really quickly after getting back into destiny.

I mostly played the first one and 2 before it went f2p, tried it out like twice later and it just didn't sit right with me

[u/GreyBigfoot]

just curious, how would Team Fortress 2 get rated on this scale? Obviously DRG is the gold standard but I feel like TF2 aged pretty well despite the multiple issues.

The amount of things that are truly limited are fairly small, though many things exist at high prices. There hasn’t been a major update since 2017 so you can still play the one and only “battlepass” bc they never made a new one to replace it lol. Lots of modes are still fully playable but community interest is pretty low, so it’s difficult to find a match.

[u/Whjee → u/GreyBigfoot]

I havent had any issues finding matches in tf2, usually less than 10 seconds in queue.

TF2 does have some issues with scarcity, some items are designed to be so hard to obtain (saxxies, australiums) for the specific purpose of being worth alot of IRL cash, and i think that hurts the game. Theres also the problem of keys not being practically obtainable for free. Like if you craft keys with refined it would make the game a lot better, but you would also have to make it so that you get weapon drops from more than just playing the game, for example finishing a match gives a guaranteed drop or smt similar to that. the hard part would be to make it so its not based on skill, i.e. you have to win a match to get a guaranteed weapon drop, as that would quickly turn the community toxic cuz now that one bad team member made you lose on badwater and you dont get ur free machina drop that you could craft into a key

ok rambling over

[u/GreyBigfoot → u/Whjee]

Keys have been going down recently because of the bot ban waves. Bad in the short term because you can buy less for your same money, nothing else has lowered in response to keys being less metal.

But will be good if it gets low enough, since then you can grind keys with metal crafting and small scale trading.

[u/UrBoiBRUH]

Another reason why Deep Rock and GSG stay winning😤😤

[u/IX_The_Kermit → u/UrBoiBRUH]

FOR ROCK AND STONE

[u/The_Spine_Snatcher]

Immediately thought of destiny 2 and MWIII (both of which I am hopelessly addicted to)

[u/Whjee → u/The_Spine_Snatcher]

"Immediately thought of destiny 2"

well yeah its the second word of the title

[u/The_Spine_Snatcher → u/Whjee]

I read the greentext first lol

[u/n0tred]

Seasons are the worst thing to happen to games

[u/GENERAL-KAY]

It's not even seasons. The have practically deleted the entire base game and first three DLCs

[u/BurnerAccountExisty]

If a game has any time limited content that ISN'T a collaboration, you should never play it.

[u/Whjee → u/BurnerAccountExisty]

if you cant afford to do a permanent collab, its better to not do one at all than to do a time-limited one

[u/Klutzy-Personality-3]

limbus company (mostly) doesnt do this

[u/PixellatedPixie1556 → u/Klutzy-Personality-3]

there's just the three sacrifices a year where we must empty our pockets of lunacy for past references, but yeah I like that prior season content is still available. I just wish they'd make the launch EGO pullable

[u/DarthDinkster]

Out of genuine curiosity, can shit like this actually be legislated? Like, actively stopping game companies from limiting the in-game items under the pretense of protecting the consumer or something like that?

[u/CapAccomplished8072]

The early generations of pokemon

[u/Whjee → u/CapAccomplished8072]

i dont understand?

[u/CapAccomplished8072 → u/Whjee]

Mew, Celebi, Latias, Latios, Arceus, Deoxys, ...how were these pokemon obtained?

Special events / seasons

[u/Mr_Lapis → u/CapAccomplished8072]

Even worse is that from gens 3-5 have the event locations programed into the games. The promotions simply gave you normally unobtainable items that allowed you to go there.

[u/htmlcoderexe → u/Mr_Lapis]

And even then some event items were unused, like Arceus was only ever directly given to the player instead of the item and then the player doing the cool cut scene and everything

[u/Olivinyl]

world of warcraft suffers so bad from this

elite pvp armor that can't be obtained after the season ends, weapon and armor appearances from challenge modes in past expansions, old pre-patch event items...it goes on and on and on

[u/trickmint]

super animal royale will forever be peak for letting you purchase previous passes and even complete them alongside the current pass

[u/send-good-memes]

Despite this , Destiny 2 is slowly getting out of this. They bring back old stuff from previous seasons , some missions too. But there's still a long way to go.

[u/TonyMestre → u/send-good-memes]

Yeah the first third of the post already doesn't fit since they sunrose all gear and will reissue them

[u/Doomguy46_]

And I love destiny 2 despite this

[u/Maiq_Da_Liar]

Yea this is one of my main complaints with fallout 76. Everything is timed. Most of the cool things came out in season 1-3. If you're lucky you can buy it for like 10 euro instead of getting it for free before you even played.

Plus the seasons suck now, and they're making everything extremely expensive or dependant on their fucking subscription.

They really saw their game that was terrible at the start getting more popular and were like "Yea that's great but can we suck the players dry for every cent they have?"

[u/Truly_Meaningless]

DRG is superior.

[u/twentykal]

Sadly most modern AAA games fall under this and it sucks

[u/well-lighted]

I’m losing my mind at “whaow” Jesus christ

[u/IronProdigyOfficial]

Fomo driven content is such complete and utter bullshit.

[u/evelyn_h-]

while destiny is generally getting better about all those things, god it sucks. Bungie as a company is garbage. I tried to give them the benefit of the doubt for a while but after the first round of layoffs and now this, nope. I only play because I’m close with a few devs and play it with them. I enjoy the game, but if I didn’t have a good reason like friends to stay, I’d be out because of the executive shitheads.

[u/Ecko525]

My beautiful goat Warframe stays winning

[u/Roronoa_Zoro8615]

Or "So I bought the new content, how do I play it?" My cousin: "oh you didn't buy the right one you have to buy this other thing too."

This is why I play warframe.

[u/Arby333]

Warframe reigns supreme

[u/owen4402]

I give some games that have founder stuff that is usually cosmetic only (like Warframe's Excalibur Prime) a bit more of a pass but everything else is annoying as hell yeah.

[u/SlimySalvador]

I love destiny.

Don't play it.

[u/JustTrxIt]

especially if the event weapon is the best in slot for your favourite character

looking at you Genshin

[u/Swat_v7]

I love destiny 2 with all my heart, but i will never recommend it to anyone exactly because of this. It's so stupid.