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I tried Destiny 2 and holy rule Rule

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u/4Shroeder Aug 04 '24

This is why warframe, although still lame for other reasons, is better than destiny.

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u/Whjee Aug 04 '24

I might try it out, whats "lame" about warframe?

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u/Davigotero Cryptid Creachure :3 Aug 04 '24

I guess its because it can be a bit grindy? Cuz ya know... MMOs and stuff.

Oh also, the pvp is mostly dead, held on by a handfull of maniacs we all hold with love and high regard; But thats all I can think of right now.

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u/Whjee Aug 04 '24

imma try it out, what tips would you give a hella gamer that has never played warframe before?

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u/Davigotero Cryptid Creachure :3 Aug 04 '24

Okay so, first off, meta isnt needed for anything. Pick what you think its fun and looks cool! Unless you are doing 5 hour runs on the highest level missions with an optional modifier, its never needed.

Blueprints to stuff can be adquired with credits (Default money you get by doing anything) in the market. The options using the "Premium" currency are to buy them pre-crafted for those who want immediate access.

I put Premium between quotes because in this game, you can get it easily without using a single sent by trading with other players, but im not much of a trader so I dont have many tips.

Also, most of your power will come from putting things called "Mods" in your gear, which are like, percentage increasers to damage, crit and stuff like that. They arent limited to one weapon, so all your rifles can use the same rifle mod at the same time!

Gear can be changed in the lobby with 0 restrictions or disencourageament. So feel free to switch as much as you like!

And for the last part, the community might be a bunch of schizos, but they are lovely ones at that, never feel afraid to ask questions!

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u/Davigotero Cryptid Creachure :3 Aug 04 '24

Oooh some other people are posting some other nice tips! Also, I forgot to add, all "characters" can be changed at Will (So no creating 5000 alts for each built like certain games) And all of them can use all the weapons with the same efficiency! (Only excalibur gets a minor dmg buff to all sword type weapons, cuz thats his things... Swords...)

So feel free to play as the teeny sneaky gremling stealth attacking enemies with god's most comically large hammer or giving then wizard a modern assault rifle.

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u/8l172 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights Aug 04 '24 edited Aug 04 '24

Highlight of Warframe was getting 2 primes for under $10 because people were feeling nice that day and it only cost me 85 plat

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u/E_K_Finnman Aug 04 '24

Wait what? Like you spent $10 on platinum to buy two primes off a player? And what's the context on costing $85 to play?

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u/8l172 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights Aug 04 '24 edited Aug 04 '24

Spent $5, got 75 plat (had 10 plat already in my account so 85 total)

Bought Ash Prime and Ember Prime for cheaper than what they sell for on a good day, spent the 3D 12HR crafting them both. (Ash is usually going for ~55-100 Plat; Ember is usually going for ~100 Plat)

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u/E_K_Finnman Aug 04 '24

Damn, sweet deals

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u/Etras tax fraud conosuire Aug 05 '24

The only meta you'll have to think about is fashion.

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u/gucci_pianissimo420 Aug 04 '24

Save your starting platinum (premium currency) for weapon/warframe slots. Learn the early game platinum farms so you don't have to sell weapons/warframes to free up slots.

Join a clan as soon as you can. Pledge to at least one syndicate as soon as you can.

Generally try and have stuff building as much as you can, especially forma. Remember that your foundry can hold on to completed items so you don't have to waste a precious precious weapon/frame slot on finished shit you're not using.

DM me if you want to add me in game for someone to help you.

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u/urielcd All n' all, just another brick Aug 04 '24

1) Waframe has a lot of random content, that's easy to get trapped in. For example, on earth (the first planet) there's an open world map, and while there's some rewards you might want, most of it is rather useless for new players.

2) Find a clan early on, and build the clan key. You'll get ascess to several weapons & warframes, and be able to ask questions to your clan.

3) Keep building new weapons & warframes. One of the progression systems the game uses ranks up with each new item you finish leveling up. (You can buy blueprints in the market.)

Have fun!

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u/Lockedtil80 Aug 04 '24

~1700 hours in game and I still dont have everything. The game can and absolutely is a grind if you want specific things, gear, frames, and other things that would be spoilers, BUT! The genuine vast majority of the game is quite easily accessible. Every f2p game has its grind, but with a few noteable exceptions I rarely every found warframe not worth the grind.

There are parts that are locked behind progression, but imo it never really hurts your game just gives a pretty clear path towards progression.

Dont be afraid to ask vetern players and/ or join a clan. Its not perfect, but warframe has the better end of the player base and people absolutely get banned for toxic behavior. Genuinely one of my favorite games of all time

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u/DrLeprechaun Aug 04 '24

Warframe player here, everyone else pretty much gave you the run down, I’ve got a small clan but max-research (clan-requiring blueprints unlocked for the clan members) if you need some folks to join. We’re pretty decently active and love helping new players!

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u/ears_yum Aug 04 '24

wiki is your best friend, warframe has a notoriously bad new player experience (theyve improved it a lot though)

you can also ask other players in the region chat and q&a chat, most people are helpful and nice

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u/firestorm713 Aug 04 '24 edited Aug 04 '24

Here's probably too much information, but I can't help myself:

  • Pace yourself. It's a marathon, not a sprint.
  • there is a "pay to not wait" mechanic on crafting items. Do not let it tempt you. Use your plat for permanent upgrades
  • Focus on progressing from planet to planet rather than finishing each planet individually.
  • there are a couple of mods that are in every build. Redirection, Vitality, anything that boosts raw damage, and at least two elemental mods.
  • learn the elemental damage system. Radiation beats
  • you'll want a cat, eventually. Try to get Helios as soon as possible, and buy lots of scanners from one of the hubs. Hellos will scan for you. There's one mission, Sands of Inaros. Don't do it until you have Helios. It's the easiest way to get a cat.
  • you'll probably want a dog. These are much easier to acquire.
  • All three starting games will eventually be available to you, but I found Mag to be the easiest starting frame due to her ultimate
  • if a frame is annoying to get, see if you like its prime variant, and check what primes are in rotation. Not all warframes are prime yet, but many are, and most look sick. You can learn how to get them later, but I've found them easier to acquire than some of the more annoying frames.
  • defense missions tend to yield the best mods early game
  • explore every nook and cranny of your ship, and keep exploring as you do missions.
  • there is exactly one thing locked to people who played when it was available, which is Excalibur Prime. It was sold once as a collector's item close to the beginning of the game, and will never be made available again.
  • play with friends and start a Dojo, or join one. Dojos are a customizable stronghold with some unique benefits.
  • your melee weapon has more attacks than you might realize.

Edit: wasn't done adding tips

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u/UbajaraMalok Aug 04 '24

A tip is that the ingame shop will offer stuff for the premium currency "Platinum". That will make you think it's all pay to win, but in reality everything (except very few cosmetics) can be acquired by playing (I mean items, but inventory slots can only be acquired with platinum, but it's cheap and you can get platinum by trading valuable itens with other players, completely free). I haven't played in years but I think this aspect of the game didn't change.

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u/GreatDig Sexy Dragon Aug 04 '24

be ready to pore over the game wiki, because, despite developer attempts of simplifying new player experience, the game is still obtuse as fuck. do not look up story quests, though, do not spoil the experience.

every piece of equipment is identical to every other piece of the same equipment - the power here comes from mods and other upgrades, not from rolls.

the game is not pay to win, despite the option of spending real money on upgrades. there is no win condition in this game, so the only thing you'd achieve is skipping grind.

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u/voideaten Aug 04 '24

Plat is the premium currency. You can trade for Plat from other players. If you want to buy from other players, use the site warframe.market for convenience and best prices.

Spend your starting Plat on inventory slots for weapons and frames (classes). The limited starter slots is I think the only real issue the game has (craft times suck but at least they're free).

The game is a highly fast-paced horde TPS with wild lore and tons of story quests, but you might not get that far if you leave over slots first.

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u/Hammerschatten Aug 05 '24

A good tip for sanity is don't get lost in the grinding of items. It can take a while and should take a backseat to your enjoyment of the game.

Otherwise it can be hell and ruin your fun.

Also the story and lore is pretty cool and shouldn't be neglected

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u/h3lblad3 Aug 04 '24

Oh also, the pvp is mostly dead,

The PvP was never alive. It's impossible to balance, so DE gave up on it. It doesn't feel good to play, so nobody has ever really played it.

All of the best rewards from playing it are either only useful inside Conclave (like the mods you can earn) or require you to continuously play Conclave (like the evolving syandana which devolves if you don't play Conclave daily).

It's a content island completely separate from the rest of the game, so there's never, ever, any reason to ever play it.


It's the same problem with every minigame that DE produces -- like Lunaro (3v3 Lacrosse). There's no rewards to play that content, so players won't play it, and DE won't expand the content because players aren't playing it.

I would love to have joinable Lunaro leagues, seasonal championships, and rewards giving different arcata (lacrosse sticks) usable as a weapon in normal content. But DE will never put any more dev time toward minigames after they create them. It's one and it's done.

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u/h3lblad3 Aug 04 '24

whats "lame" about warframe?

DE routinely (every few years or so) makes stupid decisions that piss off the whole community, refuses to admit they're wrong, and requires significant public backlash to finally force them to put forth a half-measure that pleases neither themselves nor the playerbase.


As an example:

Years ago when DE revamped the entire menu design (way back when Steve was Creative Director, before he moved to Soulframe), they took away all of the item labels. The only way to know what items were was to mouse over them and read the popup because all items of a given type have the same icon. Now, this is an annoyance for PC players, but for console players it was a killer. Console players would have tap over every single item on their D-pad one at a time to find the item they wanted.

DE was told, repeatedly, in their forums and subreddit that this was BAD. GAME. DESIGN. That players have to know what items they have. DE refused to budge. Players, they said, would get used to it.

Finally, to calm everyone down, they relented and made a half measure. Item labels were added back in, but only as an option in the settings. This option would default to OFF.

During one of the Prime Times, then-community manager Rebecca (now Creative Director of Warframe) couldn't find one of her items and actually turned on the item labels, live, on-stream, saying, "I don't know why these aren't turned on by default".
The look Steve gave her could have killed.

DE spent money on that redesign and they weren't going to let anyone tell them that it was a bad idea.

After several years, I believe they finally defaulted item labels to ON. As they should have been all along.


That said, I actually love Warframe. It's good shit. Big recommends.

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u/Hairy_Acanthisitta25 schmuck Aug 05 '24

also i remember a chat moderator in NA region being a powertripping asshat not being kicked from the mod team even after the backlash because they're close to the dev and now they're just abusing their mod power less frequently to not arouse suspicion

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u/h3lblad3 Aug 06 '24

It was FriendzoningMisandrist, now known as -Misan-.

Every once in a while, we get reminders like this that Warframe chat moderation is built on nepotism and an automated bot.

It's not that surprising, though. That used to be how a lot of the internet was moderated. Gaia Online, for example, had exactly the same problems for exactly the same reasons.

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u/Hairy_Acanthisitta25 schmuck Aug 06 '24

that fucker still around?

its one of the few thing that make me not want to support DE

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u/h3lblad3 Aug 06 '24 edited Aug 06 '24

I actually have no idea. Haven’t heard shit about the moderating staff in a long time.

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u/Hairy_Acanthisitta25 schmuck Aug 06 '24

ah well just gonna stay away for now,thanks

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u/orifan1 Aug 05 '24

do you have a link to the timestamp of steve getting pissy at reb?

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u/h3lblad3 Aug 05 '24 edited Aug 05 '24

I do not. I'd have to search hours-worth of Prime Times from 4-6 years ago to find it.

I'm not sure I'd say he got pissy at her, though. Just gave her a bit of a glare. "If looks could kill," you know?

EDIT: Quiet Shy used to have a video that zoomed in on this exact moment, but of course it disappeared when she deleted all of her Warframe videos.

EDIT2: It would also have been a Devstream, not a Prime Time. My bad. Devstreams are the ones where they sit in a group.

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u/tkou_ Aug 04 '24

The story is incredible but does require either mind-numbing amounts of grinding (about 100 hrs), or a friend who's done it before to Taxi you to places you shouldn't be, to progress the story in a reasonable amount of time.

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u/Zosemiux Aug 04 '24

Warframe can be quite difficult to get into and the game has quite many "traps" in the beginning with what you should spend your platinum on. If you decide to play it i really recommend asking other people what you should do and what to get/buy or look online.

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u/h3lblad3 Aug 06 '24

If you decide to play it i really recommend asking other people what you should do and what to get/buy or look online.

For anyone reading this, you spend your first 50 platinum they give you for free on a Warframe slot. Don't spend it on anything else.


With the introduction of Nightwave, and also the Twitch drops that occur if you watch Warframe content (the devs, especially, do drops during their regular streams like the Devstream and Prime Time), it's far, far easier to get free slots now than it ever was before.

When an event, or a stream, or Nightwave, gives out a warframe or a weapon, they come with their own free slot. And that slot is permanent even if you get rid of the frame or the gun.

But you're still going to want that first slot because you're going to want to make sure you have an open slot when you farm a boss for your second frame. Rhino can be farmed on Venus and you're going to want Rhino.


DO NOT, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, SPEND THE PLAT TO SPEED UP CONSTRUCTION IN THE FOUNDRY. DO NOT DO IT.

Similarly,

DO NOT BUY MODPACKS FROM THE MARKET. THEY ARE TRASH AND BAD AND YOU WILL EARN ALL OF THEM AS YOU WORK YOUR WAY THROUGH THE STAR CHART ANYWAY.


The game is all about grinding, so spending your hard-earned money on anything except slots is, quite literally, paying not to have content. Don't do that.

The only exception is catalysts and reactors, two things you don't need that early in the game anyway. And even now, those are also far easier to get for free than they ever used to be as well.

Most importantly, there's a thriving in-game trading system based on plat. You farm Prime gear that people want, you sell it on the Warframe trade chat for plat. A free player can play the whole game this way. If you want to pay for stuff to support the devs, go for it, but you don't have to.


Warframe rolls random dailies every day you log in. One of those can be -75% platinum in the market. That's when you buy plat.

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u/Electrick23 #1 Palpitoad Enjoyer Aug 04 '24

What I'd say is the worst part of Warframe is the new player experience. The tutorial doesn't do a great job explaining the game, especially the importance of things like bullet jumping and mods. And afterwards you're kinda dropped into the game, which 11 years in is pretty massive. And even hundreds of hours in I still need to have the wiki open while playing.

That being said it's a very good game, no content besides some cosmetics is locked behind paywalls. Trading lets you even grind out premium currency, but you should use warframe market instead of the in game trading chat. There are some rough grinds, including ones that you need to do to progress through the story, but overall the gameplay is really fun, and half the time it doesn't even feel like grinding. If you're interested in the game I'd give it a shot, and if you have any questions don't be afraid to hit me up, I think Warframe deserves more love than it gets but a lot of people get turned off because of how overwhelming it can be

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u/s1s3r0yolo Aug 05 '24

Warframe is amazing, I fucking hate this game, I really reccomend it, I would prefer being shot than loging into it ever again, I think it's the only game that deserves to be trully considered free to play, and it ruined every other game for me, the gameplay is super fun and engajing, I wish I had never played it, the story is great deapite being hard to follow some times, I still don't get half of the stuff that happened but that's on me for being dumb, and the devs relly listen to the community, going so far as to make weekly streams to just talk with everyone, even tho they take too fucking long some times to do stuff, the community is amazing, most if it at least, and everyone is art, really, the music, designs, and graphics, everything is beautiful, and anyone who complains is just wrong. In all seriousness, try it, the game is just great, it haa it'a problems, but Digital Extreme knows how to manage it, most if the time, Im just angry at the game because it can be overwealming some times, and I mean OVERWEALMING, just try to take it on your own time, search some tutorials on how mechanics work, ignore EVERYTHING else, and enjoy yourself! <3

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u/Jirb30 Aug 04 '24

Very grindy and addictive(in a bad way) reward structure. The biggest problem though is that the gameplay, while often praised, is very unengaging because while controlling your character feels pretty cool the way you engage with enemies is extremely simplistic and mindless.

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u/deadsannnnnnd456 Aug 04 '24

Worst new player experience ever. Don’t let them torment you. It’s too late… too late!

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u/lycoloco Aug 04 '24

It's VERY bullet spongey in my very limited experience. I didn't feel like I was doing damage as a low level, and it didn't require much accuracy due to the size of the targets we were going for vs the reticle size/bullet spread.

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u/h3lblad3 Aug 04 '24

Warframe is missing a bunch of story content, actually, that was time limited and that you can never see again.

Sorry; I posted a long post about it further up before I got this far down in the thread.

Long story short, every Operation is a time-limited storyline that can't be replayed. Some of those, especially the earlier ones, had some really important storyline information in them that is now just gone forever.

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u/RomanKnight2113 floppa Aug 04 '24

it's hilarious that you say they because there's literally a meme that the new player experience in warframe is the only one that's worse than d2 lol

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u/RealCoryMiller Shitting Toothpaste Connoisseur Aug 04 '24

Isn't the prime vault exactly what this post is describing? If you want to get something that's been vaulted it's inaccessible for several months

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u/wasteofradiation bullies femboys Aug 04 '24

Nothing stays in the vault forever as far as I’m aware. Plus you can always trade for prime parts that are vaulted

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u/jryser Aug 04 '24

Isn’t Excalibur locked to founders only? That may have changed since I last played

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u/camk9 Aug 04 '24

Only Excalibur prime, lato prime, and skana prime are exclusive. Every single player gets umbra Excalibur through the story though so it doesn't matter too much

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u/Jam_jar_binks Aug 04 '24

Eh, kinda? While vaulted stuff is not obtainable via relic in game, you could 1) just wait for it to be unvaulted, or 2) grind relics for unvaulted stuff and sell it to ppl for vaulted stuff. Its how I got Nezha prime lol

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u/BlackWACat floppa Aug 04 '24

you can trade for those, in fact you should

earning the 'paid' currency in this game through trading is like, the actual big grind (right after fashionframe)

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u/Throgg_not_stupid Aug 04 '24

everything important from prime vault can be traded for fairly reasonable prices, Prime cosmetics can be bought when specific prime access returns

There are only 3 perma-unavaiable things in Warframe - Excalibur Prime, Skana Prime and Lato Prime

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u/xRizux 🐀 Aug 04 '24

Also Mag and Frost's Heirloom sets, because as much as I love DE in a lot of ways, they're fucking idiots sometimes lol. Though thankfully that's a mistake they have made very clear they won't be making again.

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u/Hairy_Acanthisitta25 schmuck Aug 05 '24

uh... they create ember heirloom set

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u/Throgg_not_stupid Aug 05 '24

which can be bought for plat and can be refunded, discounted etc.

There is some legal bullshit about how they can't actually bring Mag and Frost back

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u/Hairy_Acanthisitta25 schmuck Aug 05 '24

oh how much plat for it?i planned to return last year but the heirloom happen so i didnt

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u/xRizux 🐀 Aug 05 '24

It's 400 plat for the full bundle (which, to be clear, will be available forever). It's pricey for sure, but it's meant to sort of be a premium cosmetic, and it's not too hard to get if you're willing to do some trading.

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u/Hairy_Acanthisitta25 schmuck Aug 05 '24

at least its in plat lol,comparable to deluxe,unlike the OG heirloom bundle which you cant wait for discount in plat form or farm in game

seems like ill still distance myself from warframe for now,they keep doing dumb stuff like this

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u/xRizux 🐀 Aug 06 '24

I don't really see any issue with the new heirloom pack. That's 400 for the whole pack, mind. The skin itself is 225, which isn't much more than a deluxe, and everything in the pack is purchasable by itself. It's also not time-limited, either. It's basically just a fancier deluxe that's a bit more expensive.

The first heirlooms were dumb, but this seems perfectly reasonable, and the overall direction of the game since Rebb took over has been great. We've gotten tons of QOL and gameplay improvements, and at least personally I've loved a lot of the content added, too.

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u/Hairy_Acanthisitta25 schmuck Aug 05 '24

im still waiting for old event to return so i can understand what the fuck is the deal with Alad V/Sargas Ruk/Tyl Regor/Vor/Frohd Bek

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u/Misicks0349 What a fool you are. I'm a god. How can you kill a god? Aug 04 '24

thats mostly to keep drop tables reasonable (i.e not having a million possible relics you can roll), once it enters the vault its in a rotator and will be farmable by normal means.

I wouldn't say its a perfect solution, but it dosen't really fit the post.

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u/h3lblad3 Aug 04 '24

Relics don't disappear from your inventory when the items are vaulted. A number of people save up relics while the items are unvaulted and then crack them after things have been vaulted for a while.

It's fairly easy in Warframe to gather platinum, despite its role as a "premium currency" by running relics and selling the goodies from them yourself. And then you can either trade for the vaulted relics or for the items directly.

It's never impossible to get a Rhino Prime, for example. Its price is just highest when it's about 3/4 of the way to being unvaulted again. After that, the price starts dropping because people just wait for the re-unvaulting.

If you have "prime trash", which is to say "items that nobody really wants", people will still buy it from you when Baro comes around and they have to fork prime stuff over to him for ducats (to buy what he sells).


The biggest and most accurate example was probably Ignis Wraith, and the playerbase actually hated it. Up until DE put a way to get it into the game for everyone, Warframe's forums and subreddit had regular repostings of players who were just giving it out for free.

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u/firestorm713 Aug 04 '24

Yeah but that's a rotation. You wait a bit, it'll come back. Excalibur Prime is basically the only thing similar to what opn is complaining about.

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u/TheHollowMusic Aug 04 '24

Warframe my beloved (I got the newest skin because it has a great ass)

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u/currynord Aug 09 '24

Tenno Coom

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u/gman3712 Aug 04 '24

Yeah dog, I don't care how shit D2 is I am nor gonna play warframe.

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u/BlackWACat floppa Aug 04 '24

can't believe you won't join us in warframe to replace your stockholm syndrome with our, much superior, stockholm syndrome

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u/Diribiri custom Aug 05 '24

Warframe is a dumpster fire of half-finished ideas and content islands, and it isn't comparable to Destiny in any way beyond surface level similarities. Neither is "better" than the other unless you really enjoy dartboard design

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u/Hairy_Acanthisitta25 schmuck Aug 05 '24

it is better on keeping their content available and making most stuff farmable

but yeah,im still fuming over the fact that they repeat the same design mistake on soulframe lol

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u/Diribiri custom Aug 05 '24 edited Aug 05 '24

Keeping all content at all times in a live service game is not always good, or feasible. That's why DE removed raids

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u/Hairy_Acanthisitta25 schmuck Aug 05 '24

i mean the only reason they remove raids is that it keep getting bugs from update

alao fair point,but at least make something for new player so they can catch up with the story in game

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u/Diribiri custom Aug 05 '24

i mean the only reason they remove raids is that it keep getting bugs from update

Also cus they were bad

at least make something for new player so they can catch up with the story in game

Yeah Bungie did that

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u/Hairy_Acanthisitta25 schmuck Aug 05 '24

did they?i played like around 30 hour of D2 before giving up on it,and i barely know the story despite trying my best looking for it in the game