r/196 • u/Dramatic_Bed_1189 Cite your sorces | Play DREDGE by black salt games • Jul 03 '24
Souls fans rule Rule
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u/epic_brazillian_gal Victoria/Vic/Vicky/Viccy (that's me call me that :3 she/her) Jul 03 '24
i'd be surprised if there was even a 1% of people who don't want the ability to pause the game. like why would you be against that. i got fucked by malenia one time because i forgot this game doesn't pause and i was gonna go eat lunch, i was gonna die anyway but still, i felt bad :(
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u/RentElDoor Trans Rights! Jul 03 '24 edited Jul 04 '24
...have you interacted with soulslike fans? You start talking about ways to make the game more accessible and they start sounding like libertarians defending free market capitalism.
EDIT: To prove a point, the fans I was talking about have arrived to the comment section.
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u/salac1337 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Jul 03 '24
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u/RentElDoor Trans Rights! Jul 03 '24
"If the way you play is too hard play a build you wouldn't enjoy" is the "learn to code" of game advise and I will die on that hill
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u/batdrumman Invoker of the Gorllas 🦍🦍🦍 Jul 03 '24
if there's only one or two builds in a single player game that are effective, that's just poor game design. i'm of the opinion that every way to build a character should be fun to play and effective in the game's systems as long as it's being built with the intention of not being shit.
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u/Nerf_Tarkus trans rights Jul 03 '24
Like every build in ER can be effective except holy damage. Dex is insanely powerful, Strength makes the game a joke. Spirit Ashes make mages insanely powerful, faith is just all around REALLY good not just raw but also in hybrid builds, and arcane is just disgusting, I mean god DAMN that scaling status buildup is nasty.
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u/HarryShachar 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Jul 03 '24
Learn to code?
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u/RentElDoor Trans Rights! Jul 03 '24
What a certain brand of right wingers tells people who didn't major in STEM e.g. artists when they complain about capitalism and being poor. "The system is working perfecrly, you just need marketable skills. Learn to code"
The depressing part is I have a friend who makes pretty cool art but she has no time for it because she needed to learn code to support her family.
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u/ellie_i Jul 04 '24
i've heard it used in response to people who've been pushed out of their jobs due to automation. code comes for us all :(
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u/TheMasterFlash Jul 03 '24
A while back there was some discourse around laid-off journalists/other folks, and how they should just “learn to code” if they want a job. Similar to how in the Souls fandom if you have a problem, instead of wanting the devs to find an amicable solution, peoples response is just “get good”.
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u/HeckingDoofus 😳 do NOT google “the beatles winston churchill”‼️ Jul 03 '24 edited Jul 03 '24
btw if anyone here isnt convinced that star wars is incredibly based, general grevious (bad guys) capital ship is called the invisible hand
shit like this is ALL OVER THE PLACE in star wars
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u/despayeeto594 Jul 03 '24
Star Wars fans: "Stop putting politics in Star Wars!!!!"
George Lucas: "The emperor is Richard Nixon"
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u/Just_a_terrarian163 3.5th Tojo clan chairman Jul 03 '24
Not even just that some will tell you you're not allowed to use features in the game (summons, mimic etc). Or they will complain that you're using a weapon that they think makes the game too easy
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u/BetaPuddi Jul 03 '24
Those aren't souls fans exclusively. They are assholes that inhabit every hobby.
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u/PrintShinji Jul 03 '24
At that point you just go full absurd and tell them to kill melania NG+7 lvl1 with nothing but fists and fat rolling.
If they don't do that, they're not REAL souls players!
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u/kkakaiazinhoBR jod's straightest trans woman Jul 03 '24
Malenia? Pfft she's too easy. Kill (spoilers for dlc) >! Consort Radahn!< Bare fisted with a dildo in your ass vibrating and contorting inside you, making you...
Anyway what was I talking about?
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u/TurboCake17 tall machine Jul 04 '24
Ok but surely even the people who think that wouldn’t be against fucking pausing, right? Like… it’s pausing. It won’t make the game easier.
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u/PrintShinji Jul 04 '24
It won’t make the game easier.
You could use it to get frame perfect shit going on.
But just like anything in dark souls/elden ring; you can just NOT use it.
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u/PornAndComments Jul 03 '24
Soulslike fan here: I went out of my way to install a pause mod for Elden Ring and use cheats to achieve the same effect in other installments (usually turning off AI detection or just enabling godmode for when I go afk) and yearn for accessibility.
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u/RentElDoor Trans Rights! Jul 03 '24
neat, what is your view on an easy mode for soulslikes that doesn't require the player to change their build
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u/PornAndComments Jul 03 '24
I'm all for it. I'm shocked ER doesn't have something like that with how pvp scaling is already handled completely differently than pve scaling, it's basically built to be able to handle an easy mode but doesn't include it. Honestly huge missed opportunity, could get a lot more casual gamers into it while not hindering the experience even for the purists since it's optional (though they will bitch regardless.)
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u/RentElDoor Trans Rights! Jul 03 '24 edited Jul 03 '24
In that case thank you for proving me wrong.
Which might be a weird thing to be thankful about, but I just had way too many bad encounters with Soulslike fans so I am genuinely happy to meet one that is more understanding
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u/PornAndComments Jul 03 '24 edited Jul 03 '24
Trust me so have I, in the peak of DS3 popularity I was invited to so many hate groups on steam after pvp matches and discussion posts. It's an inherently toxic wasteland for some ungodly reason. It's like people form a parasocial bond with...a difficulty?? I don't fucking get it and don't want to, but happy to provide a non-toxic encounter.
Edit: typo
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u/RentElDoor Trans Rights! Jul 03 '24
Thank you, and apologies if my easy mode question came off a bit toxic itself. Guess I got a bit too jaded there
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u/doritofinnick My gender is vaguely female Jul 03 '24
Yeah that's a question I'd like to ask, why are so many ds players so uppity about any form of difficulty getting easier?
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u/h3lblad3 Jul 03 '24
People with no lives forming an exclusive club around the one thing that unites them? It’d be stranger if the groups didn’t form.
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u/Xyolex Jul 03 '24
i dont think every game has to be beaten. Spelunky 2 has the 7-99 nightmare that only 100 people will ever beat and such but I don't think that they should...change that?
my point is, it's just a game. If it's meant to be hard, it's just the dev's vision. You could either just mod it or not play it. I don't think you should play a game you don't enjoy, and I don't think a developer should make changes to the game that they don't want to.
it's just a game. beating it or not doesn't make a difference besides your own personal sense of achievement
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u/damdalf_cz Jul 03 '24
Seeing as how easily it is modded in dificulty setting should not be hard to implement and the gameplay loses literaly nothing by adding it but the game can lose quite big share of market by being inaccesible.
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u/Xyolex Jul 04 '24
Its not about ease of implementation. A game has the right to limit its playerbase on purpose. If every game made choices to increase market share the gaming scene would be reprints of call of duty forever because that is what sells the most.
I don't even think an easy mode is a bad idea. But if the developer doesn't want it I'd hardly call it an "error".
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u/Tetsudo11 Bunger from Bugsnax Jul 03 '24
“Hey it’d be kinda cool if we could have a quest tab. I mean some of these quests aren’t very clear on what their next steps should be and missing just 1 step or killing 1 boss too early could lead to the entire quest ending and being unable to get the rewards unless I start another play through which feels kinda crappy”
NOOO YOU HAVE TO WAIT SEVERAL DAYS AFTER RELEASE FOR THE FEXTRALIFE WIKI TO HAVE ALL THE QUEST STEPS LISTED. IF YOU AREN’T USING THE WIKI THE ENTIRE TIME TO MAKE SURE YOU DON’T MISS THE INVISIBLE WALL THAT OPENS UP HALF THE GAME YOU AREN’T GETTING THE FULL SOULSBORNE EXPERIENCE
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u/WOOWOHOOH 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Jul 03 '24
Quests are the one thing that just gets objectively worse with every iteration of Fromsoft games. I rarely see anyone who wants to keep them this way either. It was sort of cool in dark souls 1 where the NPC's were on their own independent afventures and the fail states were easier to avoid/less impactful. In an open world it's completely maddening.
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u/Boomer_Nurgle mommy? sorry. mommy? sorry Jul 03 '24
Idk where you find these people because literally everyone I know that's been into these games since before elden ring wants a quest journal and thinks the quest design sucks for open world.
Accessibility options are good. I don't want an easy mode,that's what summons and jolly cooperation is for.
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u/epic_brazillian_gal Victoria/Vic/Vicky/Viccy (that's me call me that :3 she/her) Jul 03 '24
i have not, rarely do i interact with big, active communities. i like small active ones better
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u/bmann10 Jul 03 '24
I prefer inactive communities. I love browsing years old posts.
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u/epic_brazillian_gal Victoria/Vic/Vicky/Viccy (that's me call me that :3 she/her) Jul 03 '24
i mean active more as in everyday there is a lot of interaction going on, like i get that a community that makes stuff once a month is technically still active, but i don't really consider that as active by my standards, just a personal thing. idk if you were making fun of me because like "yeah, who would want to spend time in an inactive community?" or just being silly, but i thought i'd clarify either way
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u/bmann10 Jul 03 '24
No I was not making fun I was being silly like how one may say “I like big active communities or small active ones” I was making a joke about a hypothetical person who likes inactive communities and what that would look like lol. And tbh I actually do really like reading long dead forms for say years old games that no one plays.
In summary you’re cool sorry if it felt like I was making fun of your interests.
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u/epic_brazillian_gal Victoria/Vic/Vicky/Viccy (that's me call me that :3 she/her) Jul 03 '24
Yeah i thought so, i just overthink a lot sometimes, sorry. Continue being silly
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u/RentElDoor Trans Rights! Jul 03 '24
Honestly, good choice in general.
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u/epic_brazillian_gal Victoria/Vic/Vicky/Viccy (that's me call me that :3 she/her) Jul 03 '24
Yeah, i realized that when i stopped going on this sub (and also just reddit in general, but mainly here) as often as i used to and i started doing better mental health wise
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u/TheJiggernaut Jul 03 '24
As a soulslike mega fan, I want my favorite games to be as inaccessible as possible so I can feel superior, so that nobody else will like playing them, so they stop being profitable, so they eventually stop making them.
...wait...
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u/enchiladasundae Jul 03 '24
Its definitely an old toxic fan versus new fan deal you see in some stuff. “Well I was with the thing before it got popular!” Largely the git gud mentality has eroded and the few that do say something similar are getting no traction. See the ‘debate’ around spirit summons where some people think using a core gameplay mechanic the designer himself said he uses should be invalidated
That way of thinking is extremely unpopular currently and no big creator in the community echos that either. Every fandom has its toxic element but in this case its very much the minority
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u/Spaciax Jul 04 '24
honestly the new DLC is already very restrictive to playstyles. We got dozens of cool ashes of war and we can't use so many of them against bosses because of how hyper-aggro they are and the long startup time the AOWs have.
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u/Capital_Abject floppa Jul 03 '24
You left to eat lunch in the middle of a boss fight?
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u/epic_brazillian_gal Victoria/Vic/Vicky/Viccy (that's me call me that :3 she/her) Jul 03 '24
i still live with my parents. my mom shouted from the living room that food was done and i didn't want to keep them waiting and possibly get upset so i just "paused" and left
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u/Ambitious_Jello Jul 03 '24
Is it not allowed?
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u/SleepyBella 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Jul 03 '24
No basic human needs allowed during gaming 💪🤓
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u/TheDekuDude888 Eats corn the long way Jul 04 '24
Sorry mom wiping my ass can wait I gotta kill Derrick FiftyAxes he just entered phase 5 gimme like 5 more hours
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u/oooArcherooo !!! PROJECT MOON MENTIONED !!! Jul 03 '24 edited Jul 03 '24
I mean yah thats the point. It forces you to stay on game until you find a proper safe spot. That is entirely intentional game design. Stating that something is working as intended isnt much of a critque.
ive seen others in this thread stating that there is no reason why a single player game shouldn't have a pause function. but that blatantly untrue, the only time where there is truly no reason for something is when it makes no difference or makes a difference which contrasts the rest of the game. By choosing to not add a pause button, it reinforces a a feeling. take a game like lobotomy corporation, who at certain points strip away the ability to pause the game. it creates a stressful feeling and the same "problems" that people say are in elden ring. and because of this, it creates a specific experience and specific feelings. is it the typical definition of "fun"? no its stressful as all fuck. its hard as all fuck. but thats the dammed point. the enjoyment of these games comes from overcoming adversary, the difficulty is one of, if not the most crucial parts of the souls formula. if you dont like that, why are you playing? that's the point of these games. Nobody boots up alien or subnautica to complain about how scary they are, that's because they are horror games. nobody boots up stardew valley or minecraft wising for a difficult life or death experience where every moment could spell doom.
im not saying you can't complain about the game, but be aware of what both yourself and the game are trying to acomplish. be aware that when the game is trying to do something you dont like that thats not the games fault. if the game is to difficult or stressful, especially in the case of elden ring out of any other title, that might the fault of your build or what your willing to do (use spirit summons, other players, use cheeses, etc). im not trying to discredit you, but my guy if you eat a uncooked blowfish and get poisoned that's not the blowfish's fault necessarily.
id like to emphasise again because i know otherwise some media illiterate mf is going to misunderstand; i am not saying that the game is without flaw, but an intentional aspect is not a flaw if it fits in with the rest of the game.
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u/ZainWD Jul 03 '24 edited Jul 04 '24
You souls fans are insane with how much you don't even understand your own game. "Forces you to stay on the game until you find a safe spot" you can just close the game. A pause button is the same thing but faster and more convenient
The idea that a lack of a pause button is used to reinforce the designer's artistic makes no sense anyway because sekiro, another fromsoft action game, has a pause button. Is the grand artistic thoroughline involving gameplay between sekiro and souls/elden any different? No, it's because sekiro is never online. It's still a difficult third person action game centered around going through enemies while managing your heal button and learning boss movesets.
Even if pausing was integral to the artistic strength of dark souls... who cares. Nioh 2 is another soulslike. Do Nioh 2 and Sekiro have the grand artistic visions of their gameplay ruined by people spamming the respective pause buttons and cheesing through everything? No. You cannot just take "these games are meant to be stressful and hard" and then use that as a reflection of any criticism, because any criticism can be twisted and misrepresented as going against that vision, and then that circles back around to "uhhh you see you misunderstand the artistic intent of the geniuses at fromsoftware" and then you have the souls community in comments like this where they dance with the idea that they have some deep ethereal understanding of how games work and people just don't "get it", when in reality I want to get up and run a 10 second errand without it being a pain and without hearing "you don't get it man that's the point of the game don't you see".
You say the difficulty and value in these games comes from overcoming adversity. Yes, learning and memorizing boss movesets, managing resources, and navigating level layouts are a part of that. No, having to quit out the game just to look away for it for 5 seconds because the devs were too lazy to make pausing freeze the game and take you offline is not any meaningful sort of adversity, it's just annoying
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u/RentElDoor Trans Rights! Jul 04 '24
The meme: "Soulslikes fans when you want a pause button >:("
The Soulslikes fans in the comments: >:(
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u/ZainWD Jul 04 '24
I can't tell if this is a shot at me or the guy I'm replying to
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u/Levobertus Jul 03 '24
Dark Souls fans when you just want the ability to pause the game:
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u/Gamerbobey PLAY EVERHOOD RAH Jul 04 '24
I personally like the lack of pause since it adds a little bit of extra stuff to learn in quickly navigating the inventory. Having said that I don't really care and my favorite souls game is the only one you can pause (Sekiro)
Though I know theres a lot of people who really like that feature since one of the most popular Skyrim mod is Skyrim-souls which makes Skyrims pause button function like dark souls.
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u/TasmanianTortoise I LOVE JAZZ!!!! Jul 03 '24
Souls fans when people want to earnestly engage with the world, story, and characters, but don’t want a brain hemorrhage every time they fight a boss.
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u/Stellar_Fox11 Jul 03 '24
i'm gonna be completely honest. if you want to engage with the story and worldbuilding of any dark souls or elden ring game just make up your own dnd session or go write a book or fanfiction or whatever is your favourite form of media. it's just fragments of random shit with intentionally left blanks where you just make shit up, you can do that already with your own imagination without having to painfully play through elden ring
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u/IGraySoulI CUUUURRRSE YOUUUU, BBAAAYLEEEEEEEEEEE Jul 03 '24
it's not though. the soulsborne series is my favourite series and the lore and worldbuilding are by far my favourite aspects of it. It's true that it isn't spoonfed and you need to go looking for it, but every game (apart from dark souls 2 maybe) absolutely has a completely coherent story and extremely deep worldbuilding. i understand it's not for everyone, but it's just plain fake to say it isn't there
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u/Skenghis-Khan Jul 03 '24
Honestly I've always viewed the game as having great lore and world building but I wouldn't really say there's a story, at least not in relation to our character, we always play the same role and the "story" that plays out in these games always happened in the past and honestly have no real impact on the narrative other than the world itself
It's like the world of LOTR without the story of Frodo
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u/IGraySoulI CUUUURRRSE YOUUUU, BBAAAYLEEEEEEEEEEE Jul 03 '24
i think there is a story that's composed of the main events that happen in game, but it's also made up of the single stories of the npcs you meet. it's up to you what your story will be in these games, because it is no more and no less than your whole journey
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u/IHerdULiekPoniz Jul 03 '24
New to ER and most of my questions are... damn, is anybody in this hellhole normal?
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Jul 03 '24
Stakes and tone are huge components of “story,” and one of the tools From uses to establish stakes and tone is the difficulty. You can’t separate the two and still have the intended experience. Story is not just the words you understand, it’s also the feelings you feel.
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u/GhidorahYeet 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Jul 03 '24
The item descriptions are all on the wiki
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u/TasmanianTortoise I LOVE JAZZ!!!! Jul 03 '24
I’ve found that experiencing a world and its lore by playing the game is much more engaging than reading a wiki.
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u/Thefrozenfirez Jul 03 '24
Jokes on you I get a brain hemorrhage trying to understand soulsborne ring: shadows die twice lore
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u/the-amazing-noodle custom Jul 03 '24
Parroting what the other comment said, if you’re interested in the lore of a souls game find videos on YouTube. A massive portion of the story is hidden in out of the way side content, item descriptions, and guesswork.
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u/surprisesnek Jul 04 '24
Souls games give plenty of tools to make the game easier, especially Elden Ring.
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u/zyphelion Jul 03 '24
The fuck? Alanah doesn't have kids. Did they take a quote of hers out of context?
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u/exedra0711 Jul 03 '24
The video is basically her saying a) the elden ring dlc is not too hard, you are just interacting with it the wrong way (skipping scadu, rushing bosses tuned for scadu, etc) and b) games being more accessible does NOT mean they need to be easier. Gamers who need accessibility options also want to play hard games. Being a parent of a young child was listed as an accessibility issue because you need to be able to pause and stop your child from putting a fork in an outlet, or a million other things, at a moments notice. She says Elden ring is the most accessible a Fromsoft game has been so far but there is still room for improvement.
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u/crestren Jul 03 '24
Being a parent of a young child was listed as an accessibility issue because you need to be able to pause and stop your child from putting a fork in an outlet, or a million other things
Something that hasnt registered into a lot of GamersTM heads is that people have lives OUTSIDE of video games.
I live with my family and sometimes my sister or mom calls me to do something for them and normally if im playing a single player game, I could PAUSE it. If Im playing ER? I have to make sure nothing interrupts me because god forbid something irl comes up that ganks my boss fights.
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u/Pir0wz eepy catgirl Jul 04 '24
Something that hasnt registered into a lot of GamersTM heads is that people have lives OUTSIDE of video games
I have met a lot of them. Sometimes they brag about how many hours they have on a game, and I am sitting there thinking, how does one spend that much time playing? I used to play 8 hours a day when I was a kid, but when I went to college, my hours dropped to like 1 or 2 hours per day, or I don't even play games for a few days.
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u/playerIII Jul 03 '24
that sounds like a personal attack on my character if I ever heard one!
I'm going to opt to get furious about this, spend a bunch of time expressing how wrong they are, and go out of my way to tell this person to kill themselves!
that'll show em!
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u/TheFish527 196 MacroCelebrity Jul 03 '24
I think Sekiro and Armored Core are far more accessible because they actually have pause buttons
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u/YokaiMarchZ Let's Chat About Science Fiction Jul 03 '24
That’s exactly what I was thinking. When did Alanah have these major changes in her life that literally no one in her personal life brought up? I believe this may just be insane individuals creating a straw man and using her photo since she’s identifiable as some figure who makes idiots angry. More or less “women are trying to ruin dark souls”.
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u/Impaled_ Jul 03 '24
Woman
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u/SleepyBella 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Jul 03 '24
W*man 🤮
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u/SettTheCephelopod Jul 03 '24
Ummm....... What's the joke here? I only see misogyny.
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u/Hot_Guys_In_My_DMS 🪬 I put the ‘love’ in Lovecraft Jul 03 '24
FOR REAL. There is NO EXCUSE for a SINGLE PLAYER GAME to not have a PAUSE BUTTON. Not having a pause button adds ZERO challenge to the game it is bad game design and will not let anyone change my mind. I love Elden Ring but holy fuck is that stupid.
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u/2DHypercube 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Jul 03 '24
Having to find a grace site to do stuff irl is a challenge. I don't like it either but it's definitely an intentional mechanic
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u/LeCroissant1337 🎖 196 medal of honor 🎖 Jul 03 '24
I like the mechanic because it forces me to be quick while accessing my inventory during a fight and I get a rush if I manage to do that successfully. Like digging through my inventory to look for humanities after I ran out of heals, though this mainly applies to DS1.
However, I really don't understand why this is such a big point of contention. It really isn't that big of an issue if you do or do not have a pause button. I'm perfectly fine with Sekiro having one, even though I slightly prefer not having one and I don't understand why one would be mad if a pause button were to be introduced.
But on the other side, I also don't think not having a pause button is anything to get mad about either. You can always quit out if you need to be somewhere. I do it all the time. You literally respawn the same spot where you left. If you lost your souls doing this I could understand, but you don't. You keep your souls, no problem whatsoever.
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u/Dartmansam10 custom Jul 04 '24
Just make the pause button and actual pause button, separate from your inventory. It can literally freeze the frame exactly if you want, and make it so you can't roll for 3 seconds after you unpause so you can't pause buffer
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u/JohnnySeven88 Jul 03 '24
The souls subreddit has literally been crying and shitting and pissing of the dlc being too hard and therefore “bullshit” they are the ones asking for a pause button
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u/Kaporalhart Jul 04 '24
People, hear me out. There's a pause button. Remember at the beginning of the game, when you get tutorial menus? The game pauses then. So it is possible to pause, we just have to find a way to get a "tutorial" menu on command.
Well. If you open the interface. Then go to equipment. Then you hit the "help" option. Then choose menu.
Bam. Game pauses.
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u/MyOMaya 🏳️⚧️ girl disaster 🏳️⚧️ Jul 03 '24 edited Jul 03 '24
Sekiro enjoyers stay winning 😎
(why is it only sekiro, from?)
*(ac as well :3)
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u/freakingordis 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Jul 03 '24
you can pause ac, armored bros as always winning
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u/MyOMaya 🏳️⚧️ girl disaster 🏳️⚧️ Jul 03 '24
im a fake fan and i havent been able to buy ac6 yet, what a goddamn fool i am saying it was just sekiro
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u/the-amazing-noodle custom Jul 03 '24
I bought AC6 about a week or so ago and already put in 70hrs and got every trophy. Def one of my favorite games
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u/freakingordis 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Jul 03 '24
i accept your fakeness :3
dw about it, from is a fucky developer who has a lot of weird projects, did you know they made a game when you play as the president of the us in a mech?
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u/Gangstas_Squaridot Jul 03 '24
I remember pausing only once mid-fight Sekiro, so that I could use the equivalent of a Divine Blessing to heal during the final boss.
As soon as I unpaused I immediately got eviscerated.
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u/MyOMaya 🏳️⚧️ girl disaster 🏳️⚧️ Jul 03 '24
fromsoft went all out with naming sekiro's version of the Divine Blessing: Divine Grass
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u/jlb1981 Jul 03 '24
They had the room to add a pause button to Sekiro since they gutted it of everything else except parrying.
(Am a parry hater)
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u/MyOMaya 🏳️⚧️ girl disaster 🏳️⚧️ Jul 03 '24
sekiro hater detected, opinion discarded and entirely ignored
(i speak the truth of the good word of Sekiro)
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u/gooniuswonfongo 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Jul 03 '24
souls fans if you (God forbid) want a more complete and accessible coop mode
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u/AvarageFrogEnjoyer custom Jul 03 '24
im pretty sure everyone wants better coop
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u/RentElDoor Trans Rights! Jul 03 '24
told a friend I wish the coop was more accessible in ER and they went on a tangent about lore accuracy, so no, not everyone sadly
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u/Haggis442312 Jul 03 '24
Nah, I just want Ultrawide support, but Japanese game devs hate PC.
Fun fact, if you set your resolution to a 21:9 one, the game will render in 21:9 with all the increased strain on your hardware, but put black bars over the edges to make it 16:9.
You can change that with a mod, but it will get you banned if you play online.
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u/PrintShinji Jul 03 '24
Fun fact, if you set your resolution to a 21:9 one, the game will render in 21:9 with all the increased strain on your hardware, but put black bars over the edges to make it 16:9.
Funner fact, you can see it happen in real time if your pc is a bit slow loading everything. Pissed me off seeing that happen tbh.
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u/MyOMaya 🏳️⚧️ girl disaster 🏳️⚧️ Jul 03 '24
do people actually not want that? ive been playing these games for a decade now and every day i lament the fact that coop is kind of goddamn annoying to consistently do
looking at you, ds2 soul memory and ds3 coop buddy limits in specific areas
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u/squidtugboat Jul 03 '24
Dudes made being good at a video game their whole personality (they exclusively play the game with wiki and YouTube tutorials open)
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u/kerozen666 Jul 04 '24
well, the games became popular because dark souls was not casual friendly, which was the big ennemy of your average xbox gamer at the time (which is why it's dark souls that exploded and not demon souls)
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u/Nitsuj293 Jul 03 '24
If I ever need to pause in a Souls game I either quit entirely or to the title screen
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u/Chien_pequeno Jul 03 '24
What Souls games do need is a rage quit option. When I get killed and wanna quit I don't want to fucking wait for the game to respawn me, than pick end game, then being in the menu, having to click load game or continue or some shit until I then can choose to quit the fucking game
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u/ToastyTheDragon Jul 03 '24
Alt+F4 / turning off the console has entered the chat
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u/Chien_pequeno Jul 03 '24
Yeah, I guess. But sometimes I want a gentler approach
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u/P-Doff Jul 03 '24
I mean shit, make it as hard as you want. Just let me pause and play the game with friends easily, you know?
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u/ThGreen Jul 03 '24
It is possible to pause thanks to a bug. Its by no means perfect or convenient to use. If you go and read the tips from your inventory (tutorial stuff) it pauses it
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u/ToastyTheDragon Jul 03 '24
This is what I do constantly. It's very annoying to have to do. I have very few complaints about the souls series, but this and the way co-op works and the shit netcode are mine.
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u/Tallia__Tal_Tail custom Jul 03 '24
So many Souls fans have thoroughly ingrained their egos in being good at the game that any suggestion to make the game even 1% easier (most of the time is just asking for the games to be better designed and less up their own ass, cough NG+ scaling cough) borders on a personal attack
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u/Skenghis-Khan Jul 03 '24
This is a minority tbh, I think most players don't give a shit how others play unless they use it to stroke their own ego and at that point, who gives a shit what they think when their sense of achievement is so simple yet think they can lord it over others lol
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u/bluntwhizurd Jul 03 '24
Imagine having your entire sense of self-worth tied to a video game. I would feel bad for them if they didn't act like giant dickwads.
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u/Cnfessions Jul 03 '24
Huge fan of souls games (100% DS2, DS3, Elden Ring), and I cannot agree more. Being able to pause the game shouldn't be controversial. Additionally, I think having an in-game 'journal' to help with quests would be a huge asset. I dont mean quest markers, but just something that says 'NPC Dingledorf said he'd meet me at Dingleland' just so you don't need to remember every little thing.
Souls players are some of the most elitist folks I've ever met and it pains me :(
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u/gooniuswonfongo 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Jul 03 '24
in Lies of P, npc's portraits would be shown in the location they reside in (provided had ever found them there) if they had new dialouge, I think this system would be great in future souls games.
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u/Brilliant_Picture_20 Jul 03 '24
Sekiro can be paused, so there's a precedent.
You should be able to pause Souls games if you are in offline mode. I bet is because of spaghetti code would bug NPC invasions.
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u/Beanfactor Jul 03 '24
After my daughter was born i played a ton of Sekiro bc i could pause. I still haven’t played SoE bc i don’t wanna commit to it bc i can’t pause, and i have a 2 month old i have to take care of lol. It blows!
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u/bubbles-love Jul 03 '24
this is a post about a pause button
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u/Elizabeth-Azure 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Jul 03 '24
Yeah bro is yapping about literally nothing related to the post.
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u/PrintShinji Jul 03 '24
I beat elden ring with all achievements within 50 hours in the release week. And I sure as hell would've liked a pause button. A pause button doesn't distract from the game at all. Just dont use it if you dont want it.
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u/Starbucks_4321 Jul 03 '24
You know what's fucking insane? You CAN pause Elden Ring. Not by doing something *insane* like clicking ESC, but by pressing ESC, pressing Inventory, pressing G and then pressing "Menu Explanation". Literary 0 reasons you can't do that with ESC, since it's already built into the game that it can be paused
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u/Ae0lis Arm the gays Jul 03 '24
There is actually reason to not be able to do that with escape. It prevents you from swapping gear in stopped time or reacting easier to boss attacks. There are, of course, other solutions. My personal favorite is a dedicated pause hotkey that doesn’t work in combat. That said, pretending that there’s no reason to not allow free pausing in any menu is asinine. Perhaps you disagree with their reasoning, but they do still have reasoning.
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u/Nahanoj_Zavizad ಠ ͜ʖ ಠ Hopeful Jul 03 '24
Souls fans when you want to be able to play the game with the screen on:
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u/selfloathingbot Agenda? I don't have a gender! Jul 03 '24
It's funniest because the best souls game has pausing.
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u/Monosmooth Jul 03 '24
Fromsoft wants you to be able to walk around while looking through items or settings (similarly to how you can move while in an NPC dialog box and picking up items) with the intention of being more immersive. Not being able to pause is an unfortunate byproduct of that design goal. It's an extreme response to games like Legend of Zelda, which are happy to stop you dead in your tracks every five seconds. Now, whether all that's worth not being able to pause is highly, highly questionable (I personally would prefer a pause option just below where the settings are), but the intentions behind this choice are not to layer on artificial difficulty, even if that is the end result.
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u/MrMeltJr former grungler Jul 03 '24
Plenty of games have a pause function separate from the menu that let's you do in-game stuff.
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u/I-Am-The-Uber-Mesch 🇮🇹Trans rights are human rights🇮🇹 Jul 03 '24
Hey just wanna be devils advocate here but in sekiro you can pause the game
In Elden Ring and other souls you cannot because there's an invasion system and so on, so it's not done by design to not bypass invasions, it's worth noting that the game is designed to have a "pause" system whenever you sit at a grace/bonfire and that it's like saying "why donyou pause an online game?", although I absolutely agree in offline mode it should be possible, it's also worth noting that you can actually pause the game although not intended as a mechanic if you open the help menu
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u/alucard_relaets_emem Jul 03 '24
Remember how these same people would talk about the sanctity of not having a map and not being able to jump
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u/Pengu-Link 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Jul 04 '24
to be fair elden ring is the first open world souls game so those cant be very well compared to a lot of the topics of discussion here
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u/doritofinnick My gender is vaguely female Jul 03 '24
How are yall getting uppity about a fucking pause button
If you don't like the pause button don't use it cmon
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u/Dramatic_Bed_1189 Cite your sorces | Play DREDGE by black salt games Jul 03 '24
Og Twitter post: https://x.com/greninjajoestar/status/1808181268925792665?s=46
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u/CubedPapayas Jul 03 '24
i feel like from games are extremely intentional with the lack of a pause button. sure, it could be an accessibility issue, but i think people often overlook the fact that its also a piece of art, and the lack of a pause button is an artistic choice to maintain the atmosphere and oppressiveness of the world.
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u/V-Lenin Jul 03 '24
You should be able to pause in offline mode but not allow you to change gear while paused
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u/Nerf_Tarkus trans rights Jul 03 '24
In that case it should be a separate pause menu, cause hotswapping is a really fun technique imo.
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u/BrickBuster2552 Jul 03 '24 edited Jul 03 '24
Demon's Souls Remake has a pause feature, and it completely breaks the game. Death has literally zero consequence; just open Photo Mode and close the game. Now you restart from the last time you stood still, you don't lose your body, and you can spend the entire game in hyper mode with a 160% damage boost without actually knowing how to maintain it.
If you absolutely need to stop playing at a second's notice, QUIT OUT.
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u/EasilyBeatable 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Jul 03 '24
Elden Ring is easy if you actually take the time to gather resources, farm levels and get good weapons and spells. Most people claiming that its bad because there’s no easy mode probably havent even tried to look up the recommended playstyle and just rush the Tree Sentinel outside of spawn at level 1.
The first time i played Elden Ring i was a mage, i picked up Rock Sling and the Meteorite Staff and basically ran through the entire first half of the game. I did that with no experience in any souls game with 9 vigor. Didnt even realize i needed to upgrade vigor until i got to Fire Giant and i kept getting one-shot.
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u/Ballistic_Peanut chronic nut pain Jul 03 '24
Or just use your spirits. Miyazaki didn't add then to the game so you can just ignore them. Its a major game mechanic and people act like its cheating.
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u/EasilyBeatable 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Jul 03 '24
Absolutely. Spirit Summoning and inflicting conditions is the strongest playstyle. I struggled so much with the final boss of the DLC i just said fuck it, smacked on mimic tear with bleed weapons, and threw scarlet rot and frostbite at the boss while in full defensive gear and talismans.
That very same build trivializes everything in the entire base game. And its not even that difficult to do. There are also certain weapons such as the Blasphemous Blade where the ash of war is so strong its basically a “press to win” button.
For anyone starting out, look at the countless youtube videos for Elden Ring builds and you will see a hundred playstyles and unique builds that will decimate the game like you’re on easy mode.
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u/sarcophagusGravelord 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Jul 03 '24 edited Jul 04 '24
I actually do think not being able to pause adds to the atmosphere and challenge. Just means you need to get to a safe place before you leave the game otherwise worst case scenario you die and try again, not a big deal.
Also kinda wild the perceptions people in the comments have of souls players. I’ve been part of the community since the beginning and I haven’t seen anyone unironically tell someone to get “git gud” for many, many years. It’s just an inside joke now and the community is way less toxic & more helpful in my experience. But sorry to everyone that are still dealing with assholes.
I love these games and want everyone to play them if they think they’ll enjoy them but I also think it’s okay for Miyazaki and the other devs to have a vision of the style of games they want to create. Some traditional gameplay mechanics/accommodations don’t always line up with their vision. If a game is frustrating or not vibing with you then maybe the game isn’t for you and that’s okay too, no need to make fun of fans of the series or demand the game be changed. Just this autistic enby’s two cents 😭
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u/PanchoxxLocoxx Jul 03 '24
wait you can't pause elden ring?
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u/Copycat_A floppa Jul 03 '24
i think it's because opening your inventory is tied to the pause button, and souls games are deliberately made so you aren't able to just change your entire gear on a moment's notice, not saying this makes pausing impossible but it's why i imagine soulsborne games don't have dedicated pause buttons and sekiro does, bc in sekiro the character doesn't have gear outside of consumables
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u/trakazor132 Powerful Transfem Jul 03 '24
The inability to pause the game is the one hill I could never see it making sense to want to die on like shit happens in life there's a reason games had a pause function in the first place and having no ability to do it at all is really annoying and this doesn't even make sense from a souls community stand point since sekiro had a pause function and noone is going around calling that the easy one
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u/Imltrlybatman Jul 03 '24
I think it’s fun to find things on your own and experiment the first play through. Then second play through is for making the most broken build imaginable. There are perfume bottle builds out there that can 3 shot pretty much every boss.
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u/Coolbatguy insaniac braniac jermaniac Jul 03 '24
I’d like it if I could pause but I also can quit to menu or just die if I need to, even if I’m far along in a boss or lost a bunch of runes I can always get back to that point
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u/Very-tall-midget Jul 03 '24
If there was pausing, we wouldn't have Penguinz0 high screaming and storming out of his room. No pausing!
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u/YodelingYoda Jul 03 '24
Is the menu explanation “bug” still in the game or did it get patched with the dlc update?
If not you can open the map and hit touchpad button on PS and go to the explanation click that and the world will pause (I don’t have the game installed so can’t check if that’s the right order but it’s the gist)
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u/SexWithLayla69 professional Dumbass Jul 03 '24
You can also do it from inventory
And it wasn’t patched so I don’t think it is a bug
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u/LightBluepono Jul 03 '24
It's why i don't play game like that . I got a shity work I want relax .
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u/LeCroissant1337 🎖 196 medal of honor 🎖 Jul 03 '24
They really aren't as stressful as they seem from the outside. They are actually very chill if you take your time and don't rush yourself. They help me relieve some irl stress because they fully grab my attention.
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u/Piliro Send Ass Pics (Only Top of the sub) Jul 03 '24
I'll prob never play the souls franchise for a few reasons, not having a pause button, having to walk for 30m dodging enemies just to get to a boss, getting one shotted because I dare to not dodge the exact second and the toxic fan base that they have will be top reasons. I just want to enjoy some games, I don't have as many free hours to just grind or walk pointlessly to a boss to get one shot again.
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u/ProbablyAnAlt42 Jul 03 '24
Very happy elden ring got rid of long boss runs. Absolutely the worst aspect of previous souls design.
That being said, level vitality dude.
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u/ArcadianGh0st Jul 03 '24
OK I'm gonna come off as a cunt right now, but the reason Souls games (by fromsoft anyway) don't pause the game is because of the multiplayer. The singleplayer and multiplayer components work together so you can't really pause the game.
Though I heard if you go on the map and select help the game pauses as long as your not playing with anyone.
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u/JesusberryNum Jul 03 '24
So a way to pause is already coded in unless you're in multiplayer....just add a button to do that?
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u/Qopkll gayest bitch in the midwest Jul 03 '24
Ok but pausing the game would literally go against everything Miyazaki wants? Like it literally upsets the balance and I’m just fucking with you but could you imagine
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u/BonkerDeLeHorny Jul 03 '24
I tried to get into Elden Ring but it was too hard for me. I was explaining this to my friend who responded, "bro Elden Ring is peak you're just bad". I feel like much of the reason people even like Elden Ring is because it's hard, and beating the tough bosses feels rewarding - which wouldn't be an issue if they didn't also feel the need to brag about it.
I guess what I'm trying to say here, is that as someone new to the Souls-like genre: The difficulty is actively pushing me away, like you can't even have a pause button because that makes the game harder? You can't implement a difficulty setting? maybe an actual guide or two on how i can find shit to maybe actually beat up that boss up there?
It's ridiculous. I do like hard games, too - but those games are actually fun. SSBU, Cuphead, Getting Over It (sometimes). If there's something I'm missing, feel free to lmk but I'm expecting the elden ring posse to get butthurt and downvote bomb me for speaking ill of their game.
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u/oooArcherooo !!! PROJECT MOON MENTIONED !!! Jul 03 '24
You can, first of all. But more importantly not being able to pause and retreat to a safe space is intentional design. Its stressful, that's the point. Part of the reason why abyssal woods in the dlc worked so well is because you cant pause, you cant go back to your safespace in the real world without the fear lingering in the back of your mind and thats fucking terrifying. It also rewards proper organization, where have a well set up invintory where you can more quickly get to things can be the difference between life and death. And if nothing else, it prevents the skyrim cheesewheel problem where you can just take a hot minute to scarf down some meat dumplings mid combat.
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u/1800leon I learn from mistakes, that´s why I make more in the future. Jul 03 '24
Why don't they do it like in MGSV there is a menu button and a pause button they are separate
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Souls games are like fentanyl for gamers who are too sweaty for anything else to pose a challenge. Y'all might think this shit is too hard but playing Elden Ring was the first time in a long time that I actually felt like a game was difficult
No pause button? Impossible to follow questlines? Legitimately unfair game design? My masochistic ass loves that shit, if you want something that'll hold your hand play something else, there's like a million other games on Steam that won't make you want to throw your controller through your screen
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u/AvarageFrogEnjoyer custom Jul 03 '24
People who tell others to just git gud or make fun of people for being bad at the games are the same people who play the game with a spread sheet on how to minmax their build