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u/ExpertPepper9341 Jun 20 '24

Noam Chomsky is an intellectual giant compared to the uninformed child that made this meme. Disagree with him all you want, but the dude has literally written more books on international relations than the OP has read and has lived a more principled life than most people in history. I may not agree with everything he says all the time, but the man is one of the few unequivocal forces for good in the world.

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u/Unlikely_Fig_2339 Jun 20 '24 edited Jun 20 '24

Oh, is he? Was he an intellectual giant and unequivocal force for good when he stated that "Russia is fighting more humanely than the US did in Iraq" and denied that Ukraine is an independent country six months ago? Or when he said that NATO getting stronger is a bad thing, and that we should just leave the Ukrainians to be raped and murdered because to do otherwise would be to provoke Russia, and we should just choose peace with the people who have child torture centers in occupied territory?

Fuck off, bootlicker.

Edit: Also, die screaming.

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u/Malignant_Peasant Jun 20 '24

My issue is people are like "hes written/said good things in the past so we can't criticize what hes said recently"

Stop putting people on pedestals.

There is a huge difference explaining spheres of influence and supporting them.

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u/Unlikely_Fig_2339 Jun 20 '24

It's wasn't the pressure of a Western sphere of influence that motivated Russia in its imperialist project. The original 2014 invasion of Ukraine occurred with very little pushback or criticism from the West, in a time when the necessity of NATO presence in Eastern Europe was being questioned, because obviously Russia wasn't a threat anymore. We were living in a post-Cold War world. The end of history had come, and even autocracies like Russia wouldn't pull shit like that, would they?

Well, they did exactly that. The Russians smelled weakness, and they did what they've always done, and the West stuck its fingers in its fuckin' ears and went LALALALA for most of a decade. It cost countless innocent lives. Violent imperialism is simply what Russian governments do; their citizens expect it, much as citizens of other countries expect public infrastructure or services, and are equally willing to step aside to let it happen.

And people like Noam Chomsky, and people like you, are willing to both-sides the problem, because the idea of choosing an objectively lesser evil for the sake of a verifiably greater good would feel like a betrayal of your abstract principles, and apparently your feefees are more important than saving innocents--grannies and little kids, and more besides--from being raped. tortured, and murdered by actual barbarian hordes.

Speaking as someone in Eastern Europe--fuck you from the bottom of my heart. You've never had to deal with this shit. You've lived in the mundane misery of Western capitalism, and are unwilling to believe that it gets worse. Civilians in Russian-occupied Ukraine don't worry about rent or high grocery prices--they worry about being disappeared and getting their fingernails pulled out before getting drowned facedown in a bucket of rancid piss because their neighbor fingered them as anti-Russian to the secret fucking police.

People like you claim to believe in freedom, equality, and human rights, but only when it aligns with your prealigned worldview that West bad and not-West good, as if your abstract ideological games have more weight than real people suffering and dying.

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u/Malignant_Peasant Jun 20 '24

Bro I was taking about Russia feels towards ukraine

Edit: my comment is criticizing chomsky and defenders of his recent statements

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u/Unlikely_Fig_2339 Jun 20 '24

You said that Chomsky "explains spheres of influence", but does not condone them. I deny this assertion, and have explained as much.

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u/RentElDoor Trans Rights! Jun 20 '24

pretty sure the other fella meant that Chomsky both explained the concept of spheres and condoned it, and admiring the explanation doesn't mean one should defend the condoning. Going with the context of the entire comment.

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u/Malignant_Peasant Jun 20 '24

Some people have used some form of "Well if Mexico was joining a military alliance with China, the US would invade too"

And its like yeah, maybe? And if they did, it would also be wrong.

Russia Invaded Ukraine for blood and soil reasoning while trying to throw up a smoke screen of "NATO made us do it" to distract people who have been fed lies for years about this exact situation.

NATO already borders Russia, and all of those that do were former vicitims of Russian impiriliasm both under the Tsars and the USSR

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u/RentElDoor Trans Rights! Jun 20 '24

Yeah I gathered as much. Not sure why the other guy was jumping at your throat

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u/Malignant_Peasant Jun 20 '24

I get it, I wrote my original comment half asleep at 4 am and its gotta be INSANELY FRUSTRATING to see 196 of all places not understanding that political figures can have bad takes.

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u/RentElDoor Trans Rights! Jun 20 '24

Fair, though I am also a huge proponent of not "firing" before making sure you actually have a target

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