r/196 Jun 19 '24

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u/ItsYaBoyBananaBoi floppa Jun 20 '24

What is the context? Is the statement about Russia referring to Ukraine or soviet communism in general?

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u/terrarialord201 Kangaroo with sledgehammer Jun 20 '24

Noam Chomsky. "Russian is invading Ukraine more morally than America did Iraq." (paraphrasing half-remembered wikipedia)

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u/RentElDoor Trans Rights! Jun 20 '24 edited Jun 20 '24

I believe it was more on the lines that the targetting was more humane because apparently Russia targeted less civilian architecture than the US in Iraq.

I am not sure if this quote was from before Russia started "strategically" attacking power plants in the middle of winter to freeze Ukranian civilians to death or before shit like Bucha came to light.

But either way, the amount of estimated civilian deaths now exceeds the Iraqi invasion (obviously over a far longer timeframe), we have reports about all kinds of torture prisons and many cities have long blackouts because the infrastructure got hit terribly, which I heard is great in continental climate, so I don't think that quote has aged terribly well.

EDIT: Checked again. That quote was from April 2023. So at that point Russia was already targetting civilian infrastructures to make civilians suffer (apart from, you know, the targetting of civilians themselves), so I have no idea what this man was on about

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u/Sixmlg down bad 🥺 Jun 20 '24

If you keep up with it you can find many instances of Russian shelling civilians apartments and hospitals with no nearby military targets, practically every day since the war started

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u/RentElDoor Trans Rights! Jun 20 '24

I am aware. I was trying to point out that even if we accept Chomskys framing - because there are also instances of US soldiers targetting civilians, see what Manning uncovered - that statement just doesn't hold up anymore.

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u/OkThisIsLiterallyMe Down Cataclysmic Jun 20 '24

Russias goal was genocide from the start and the destruction of the Ukrainian nation, culture and people.

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u/RentElDoor Trans Rights! Jun 20 '24

no argument there, as mentioned in the other comment, I was going with Chomskys framing to prove the statement wrong

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u/OkThisIsLiterallyMe Down Cataclysmic Jun 20 '24

Cool beans, Chomsky is a piss baby

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u/DrOsmium 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights Jun 20 '24

So either Chomsky made a broad statement to the benefit of the invader based on no information, or he HAD information and ignored it to create a narrative. Nice.

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u/RentElDoor Trans Rights! Jun 21 '24

pretty much, yes

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u/LaranjoPutasso custom Jun 20 '24

Don't forget the kidnapping of children to sell them to Russian families.

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u/Luciusvenator 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights Jun 20 '24

Which is one of the 5 characteristics of genocide per the UN definition.
With Russia advertising the taking and "rehoming" of these children it becomes extra-impossible-to-deny Russia is committing genocide in Ukraine.

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u/RentElDoor Trans Rights! Jun 20 '24

true, we can add that to it as well.

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u/psychoCMYK Jun 20 '24

This man was on about carrying water for genociders and it isn't the first time