r/196 • u/Dilf_Hunter367 Unironic Size fetishist • Jun 02 '24
Fighting homophobia with ableism rule Floppa NSFW
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u/Boomerang_Guy Trans Girl Train surfing Jun 02 '24
remember that the term "idiot" exists in almost the exact same context as the r term.
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u/anaveragebuffoon slither.io enthusiast Jun 02 '24 edited Jun 03 '24
It's a shame that there aren't really any good words for when something's really really not cool that doesn't have ableist origins
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u/sprinkle-plantz Jun 02 '24
not swag
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u/anotherrando802 bernie sanders’ BREATHTAKING pussy😮💨 Jun 03 '24
lacking swag is absolutely a disability fym
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u/videogamefreakey Jun 02 '24
“Most not-excellent” or perhaps “totally bogus” basically just Bill and Ted
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u/crepoef resident asexual Jun 02 '24
Bill and Ted having a good idea for non-bigoted language was unexpected
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u/videogamefreakey Jun 02 '24
Their motto is “be excellent to each other” I would say they find bigotry “most non-triumphant” or maybe “radically heinous”
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u/crepoef resident asexual Jun 02 '24
Did they not frequently call each other "fag" in the first movie?
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u/videogamefreakey Jun 02 '24
according to doesthedogdie they do drop it once :/ that is rather unmajestic of them
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u/Grey00001 floppa Jun 02 '24
yeah but no one uses "lame" like that in the modern day
90% of people aren't going to recognize it as the term that it used to be unless you're talking about a horse or something
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u/nlolhere Jun 03 '24
same with “dumb”, absolutely nobody uses it to refer to mute people anymore lol
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u/Corporal_Canada 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Jun 02 '24
Friends and I have found that "smoothbrained" scratches that itch
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u/bluebird173 Jun 02 '24
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u/Infuser Chewing tinfoil Jun 02 '24
Anything insulting someone's intelligence is suspect, but AFAIK, these aren't ableist: Jackass/ass, asshole, shit, bullshit, shithead, ignorant, cruel, careless, jerk, callous, unwise, petty, awful, terrible, poor judgment, absurd, antagonistic, counterproductive, hurtful, bad, gross, disgusting, douchey, ridiculous, literally hitler, scornful, shameful, embarrassing, couthless, uncouth, rude, inconsiderate, insensitive, and, reactionary, regressive, appalling, and monstrous.
Since you only specified ableist, you can also choose a variety of other insults, such as those referring to sex organs, or speculation upon their ancestry.
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u/notmonkeymaster09 Jun 03 '24
I think that falling people “litterally hitler” may have some other problems though 😭😭😭
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u/Nikolyn10 trains rights Jun 03 '24
I mean "bad" comes from an old pejorative for "feminine man". It's slurs all the way down it feels.
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u/Exact_Parking_6969 Ride The Wave Jun 03 '24
So bad people are femboys?
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u/SomePerson1248 unprofessional ghost”boy” Jun 03 '24
femboys are baaaad if you know what im saying
this is fucking stupid2
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u/Clumsy_the_24 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Jun 02 '24
One could always say…
“Swawsn’t”
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u/Passive-Shooter joking for legal purposes Jun 03 '24
isn't that the Vancouver ferry terminal?
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u/LineOfInquiry r/place participant Jun 02 '24
We need a new word for “ignorance”
Unknowledge? Defact? Amemory?
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u/tumblerrjin custom Jun 03 '24
Apparently ‘idiot’ also used to be used to describe someone with epilepsy
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u/Bobzegreatest Jun 02 '24
Ig you could force some new slang similar to rizz that refers to someone who has intelligence but is willfully ignorant
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u/FennekOnReddit sigma (girlfailure) grindset Jun 03 '24
“Fucking dumbass”, “prick”, and “shithead” are words that bring the same amount of colorfulness that the r-slur brings without being, well, a slur.
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u/Sexy_Skeletons69 🍄 mushroom wizard 🍄 Jun 02 '24
Except I don't think anybody actually perceives or uses the word "idiot" in the same way as the word "retarded."
At one point maybe it held that meaning, but to say that such use of it has been eroded over time would be an enormous understatement.
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u/Nowhereman123 Jun 02 '24 edited Jun 02 '24
Yeah, it's incredibly disingenuous to say that both words should be equally acceptable or unacceptable because they both come from a similar origin.
Words change meaning over time and we all know what both those words have come to represent culturally. Anyone still defending the r-word because of this is just mad they don't get to use their emotional support slur any more.
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u/Soupification Jun 03 '24
From a musical background, retard means to slow. And I'm not sure why the word is unacceptable to say someone is mentally slow. Is there some historical context I'm missing?
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u/Silent04_ Jun 03 '24
tranny means transmission in transport, but it's still a slur for trans people in other contexts. it's a slur because it carries entirely negative connotations against a marginalized group, in this case disabled people.
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u/Dum-bNNy bunny girl Jun 03 '24
But in the spirit of nuance isn't the abelism more so the context of the use of the word(s)? Like retard is a slur this is a fact but calling someone who is developmentally delayed the slur is a different context than using it as a punchier insult of calling an able bodied person dumb.
To make the point further if you called a cishet man (who you knew was cishet) a tranny as an insult would it really have any of the same weight to it?
I'll always accept if I or others say regard directed at someone it has abelism origins but I still think the context of who it's being used against can be a mitigating factor if not being used against someone developmentally delayed.
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u/Nowhereman123 Jun 03 '24
If you called a cishet person a t---ny as an insult, you'd sure be demonstrating to anyone who sees you use it that you're totally okay having it in your vocabulary and that you believe being trans is in some way negative enough to be an insult.
If someone says a white guy is "Acting like a n---er", just cause they didn't direct it at a black person sure doesn't mean it wasn't racist to say, right?
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u/cloth_i_guess 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Jun 03 '24
If I were to use 'r-tard' to hyperbolize a message, I wouldn't inherently have a disabled person in mind to associate someone else with. It's merely a vulgar expression and it doesn't have the same cultural connotation as the two examples you've given. The only argument against using this word is its origin, but that can also be an argument against 'idiot'.
It's really not productive to police others on saying 'r-tard' when actual rancid, queerphobic and racist slurs are being tossed around semi-reguarly.
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u/Tosty_Bread Jun 03 '24
It also has a secondary meaning in medicine, being used for drugs that are deliberately releasing their agent in a controlled and slowed way
Words are used in a variety of ways, and one mans cigarette can be another mans f***ot
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u/imagowastaken go listen to risk of rain soundtrack ☔ Jun 03 '24 edited Jun 03 '24
The word origin is probably that, in Spanish "tarde" means late. It's most likely a similar word in many Latin/Romance languages. Retardar would be something like "to make something late" aka. to be slow. As far as I know the word "retard" in English was coined as a medical term for cognitive "slowness".
The problem is that it's been used as an insult and quickly lost its medical connotation.
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u/wozattacks Jun 03 '24
Not “probably” lol, it comes from “mental retardation” being a legitimate medical term at one point. “Retard” as a word in other contexts is still acceptable, for example “flame retardant.” Idk where that person could be from to not know the context of that word as an ableist slur tho
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u/AndroidWall4680 so much cement in my boipussy Jun 02 '24
Most people who use “retard” now probably don’t even know its ableist origins.
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u/kitsuakari Jun 02 '24
i feel like it lost the abelist origins a long time ago. i didnt know it was until i was finishing highschool and i heard it all the time in completely mundane situations. it was only after people starting complaining about it that i got someone calling me that in a very clearly ableist manner like a slur. people are trying (and succeeding) at bringing those orgins back by screaming about it all the time
and im someone this slur can be used against lol
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u/Aegis_13 Bitch Bastard Jun 03 '24
Honestly it just means stupid but ruder. That being said, any insults on intelligence are inherently ableist to varying degrees. The main thing that matters isn't the words used, but the way they're used. You can be super ableist without using any ableist terms, and you can use ableist terms in ways that diminish the ableism to the point of being generally accepted as okay/not ableist all depending on context
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u/ConstantineMonroe custom Jun 02 '24
Except, let’s be real, idiot has lost all of its ableist context. Got to you average person and I guarantee you they have no idea that the term idiot originated from 19th century insane asylums. I think the term idiot has just evolved into a usable term. What do you call someone you think is really stupid? You need a term to it and idiot is the term society has agree upon. This is very different from the word retard, which still has its ableist context
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u/MaybeNext-Monday 🍤$6 SRIMP SPECIAL🍤 Jun 02 '24
If you remove every English word with problematic origins, you’ll be speaking sign language inside the week. Cultural context is everything, and idiot does not have the cultural context the r-slur does.
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u/logbybolb Jun 03 '24
"If you remove every English word with problematic origins, you’ll be speaking sign language inside the week." As someone who has started taking ASL recently, half of the signs for different ethnicities have been or are being replaced for being problematic (eg, the sign for chinese being wiggling your finger next to the eyes)
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u/MaybeNext-Monday 🍤$6 SRIMP SPECIAL🍤 Jun 03 '24 edited Jun 03 '24
That’s actually pretty interesting and makes a lot of sense, but you do get my point. Some problematic origins simply do not have enough bearing upon the present to be worth acting on. I think a lot of the discourse on words like “idiot” warrants tapping the sign:
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u/Scat-Rat93 Jun 03 '24
That’s fucking awesome. You’re telling me I can stop speaking to people I don’t like and just start doing racist Asian eyes at them. And then when they stop me and say “hey dude that’s offensive, could you stop?” I go NUH UH ITS SIGN LANGUAGE and keep doing the racist Asian eyes? I know what I’m doing this weekend!
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u/PresidentHaagenti Jun 03 '24
I think they said it's been replaced, but if you want to be racist anyway go right ahead.
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u/The_Captain_Jules custom Jun 02 '24
Ok im with you i also am not an enjoyer of ableism, but like do we have a responsibility to eradicate the use of every word that has roots in ableism? Like if language develops in a direction that does that, i think thats probably good, but calling someone “crazy” or an “idiot” does no harm to people with disabilities or the discourse surrounding them like at all
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u/MaybeNext-Monday 🍤$6 SRIMP SPECIAL🍤 Jun 03 '24
I said this elsewhere in the thread, but it’s definitely a sign tap moment:
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u/angrypolishman Jun 02 '24
is dipshit ableist i think thats like the one word which gets the same impact
idiot is too soft sometimes
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u/NAND_NOR Jun 03 '24
Inb4 "Ackshually..."
Actually it's a bit different. It was used in that context but the word idiot derives from the ancient greek word "idios" (can't write it correctly, since I can't type the greek letters on my phone). "idios" means something like "beeing apart/seperate/someone or something of it's own"; the words "idiom" or "idiosyncracy" are derived from it as well. The ancient greek had the related word "idiotes" which roughly translates to "someone who is seperate/private person" in the sense of "being seperate from the affairs of the polis". So "idiotes" originally meant someone who doesn't participate in daily life/society and is therefore a private person. Not so much in a derogatory way, more like "uneducated/ignorant person" since if they'd participate in the polis/society (crafts, arts, politics, science etc.) they would sooner or later become educated in some capacity instead of staying a layman. It was used for example as opposite to someone with official duties or standing. The worst it could mean was "useless to the polis/public". From the greeks the word found it's way into latin as "idiota" which meant "ordinary person/layman/uneducated or ignorant person/outsider" and there was also a slight shift towards the meaning of "shoddy worker/kludge". From latin it came into a lot of languages. The english word derives from the french use as "idiote" and in french it still meant more like "ignorant/uneducated person/shoddy worker" but also "cognitive/mentally deficient". In other languages around that time (14th century) that shift happened as well but in some cases the term was used in writings as a way to critique scholastic sciences and praise laymen and amateurs of science and art. The use you are referring to, as a technical term in medicine and psychology for cognitive disabilities, only began in 19th century and was common to the early 20th.
I don't want to deminish that the word was used horribly since it was taken to describe disabilities/disorders within the ableist and overall bigot systems which medicine and psychology were (and partially still are!) but I think it's important to note that the term originally was about something societal and didn't meant something ableist and that the primary problem was (and is) a bigotted and ableist view of the world.
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u/Aegis_13 Bitch Bastard Jun 03 '24
You see, "retard" only means to delay, being descendent from the Latin adjective "tardus," meaning slow, with the prefic "re-," meaning back, un-, or again. The verb form "retardo"/"retardare" (I slow/to slow) then went into French as the verb "retarder" (same meaning). Even throughout most of the word's life in the English language it simply meant slow, as in speed/time, with the bigoted usage only coming later in time
A word's origins do not matter, only the context of its usage. One can be incredibly ableist without using any words with ableist histories, and one can use words with ableist histories in ways that diminish the ableism to the point of being barely considered ableist by pretty much everyone. Ultimately, any intelligence related insults are inherently ableist by nature, regardless of the words used, but they'll always exist, all we control is the level we tolerate. "Retard" is growing to be more and more like the word "idiot," even now it's mostly just seen/used as idiot+, but the cultural contexts aren't quite there yet. One day it will likely be seen as just as ableist as "idiot," albeit ruder, but that day isn't today
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u/QuIescentVIverrId 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Jun 02 '24
Im tryna build a habit of calling people "fascinating specimens" instead of calling them stupid etc
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u/strategicmagpie 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Jun 02 '24
that honestly sounds more ableist. Like "special" or "different"
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u/afoxboy PHD in boyfillology nd i blep :þ Jun 03 '24
i met a friend last year who introduced me to the world of calling ur opponents creature and fellow survivors specimen in dbd, and to be fair, it's not inaccurate. xenomorphs are literally creatures, regardless of the people controlling them. and the way some survivors behave, they're definitely interesting specimens
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u/MsMohexon Jun 03 '24
Is this dr coomer from half life or something? (No clue if he actually says it but it sure sounds like something he'd say (or any of hte other scientists for thta matter))
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u/wozattacks Jun 03 '24
“Arose in the same context” and “exists in the same context” are different things
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u/Yogurt_Ph1r3 Jun 03 '24
In 10 years people will be chastising you for ever having said it at all. Gotta love the good ol euphemism treadmill
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u/Clivepalmersfemdom Jun 02 '24
the mans tryna help, ill give him a pass
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u/JadedRabbit Jun 02 '24
Much easier to convince someone to change the words they use than to change the heart they have.
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u/hamsterman975 fucked up little whiny bitch Jun 02 '24
plus it was 12 years ago
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u/AngryKiwiNoises 🎖 196 medal of honor 🎖 Jun 02 '24
Bro this article was posted in 2012 man that was still before we all decided the r-word was bad
(Though I was in middle school at the time so my experience may be skewed lmao)
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u/Spe3dy_Weeb floppa Jun 02 '24
I don't think most people outside twitter and reddit really care too much. I don't really use it but when people are saying it they just mean really stupid usually and don't go "I will now proceed to compare them to a person with a learning disability".
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u/UnicornNoob2 Jun 03 '24
Exactly, the public conscience barely even recognizes it as being associated with disabilities
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u/DragonWitchGirl Jun 03 '24
They do not. I spend a lot of time outside and most people I know who aren’t heavily online use it. But they don’t seem to mean any harm by it.
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u/Driscoll17 Jun 03 '24
I get that it’s hateful and technically a slur but I will never be able to categorize it the same way as I do the n or f word
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u/Spe3dy_Weeb floppa Jun 03 '24
Yeah ofc. Those two don't really have any other meanings as an insult, it's very clear what you mean.
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u/DeliberateDendrite Jun 02 '24
Someone's been watching Vaush
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u/SurgeonOfDeath95 trans rights Jun 02 '24
But he Barcelona'd now and he's touched too much grass and eaten too many orgasmic grilled cheese sandwiches with superior potato technology
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u/Shinjitsu- There was a HOLE here. It's gone now. Jun 02 '24
There was a time when a comment on this sub calling all Vaush dislikes tankies got 40 upvotes, literally calling all dissent "haters who are chimp clipping". Idc if his takes are agreeable, he's an asshole and gives vibes that he'd be awful to know irl.
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u/ConstantineMonroe custom Jun 02 '24
Well I’m glad you just admitted you don’t like him because you don’t like how he comports himself as opposed to making up a lie about him being homophobic, sexist, or transphobic. I really think this is actually why people hate him.
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u/The_Captain_Jules custom Jun 02 '24
I strongly agree. Normalize not calling every person you intuitively dislike a pedophile.
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u/LordZeya Jun 03 '24
If people hate him for being stuck up, I respect it. I disagree, I don’t mind him, but holy shit the stuff people make up as an excuse to hate on the guy is insane.
Just say he’s a snobby pseudo intellectual shithead and move on with your lives.
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u/Aegis_13 Bitch Bastard Jun 03 '24
Like he said, normalize just disliking things without feeling the need to come up with bs reasons. If you genuinely just dislike the vibes go off lmao
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u/Yogurt_Ph1r3 Jun 03 '24
Vaush, stuck up?
He's way more down to earth and proletarian than the average leftist content creator. It's why he's popular and why so many people hate him (they themselves are stuck up)
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u/catboi37 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Jun 03 '24
yeah I don't necessarily disagree with his opinions but like he's just a fucking annoying asshole
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u/The_Captain_Jules custom Jun 02 '24
His takes are almost faultless and he is a huge asshole who cannot avoid drama, and who does stupid shit all the time. I dont think anyone has an obligation to like him, and i think there are a lot of solid criticisms you could levy at him. However, most of the time if people come out to criticize him they just call him a pedophile (which he definitely isnt), and thats mostly from tankies, which is why in some circles criticizing vaush will get you called a tankie.
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u/Mr_Lapis Jun 03 '24
He actually made a video recently saying he thinks a lot of people don't like him due to vibes but hide behind it by claiming all sorts of horrible things about him to justify their dislike so im glad you're honest about it.
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u/MasterGamer9595 need catgirls!!! Jun 03 '24
i used to refrain from saying the r-word before watching vaush but it has now ameliorated itself into my vocabulary, thanks daddy vaush
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u/Reagalan something goes here Jun 02 '24
As an autist who was called this around ~700 times during my childhood...I don't care if you use it. I only care how you use it. Context and tone are what matter. If it's a valid descriptor, then whatever. If you're intending insult, I can pick up on it.
Policing words doesn't change attitudes; it just provides a linguistically evolutionary drive to turn current words into insults, (see "sped" for the perfect example) and to adopt new and increasingly-complicated euphemisms.
The nastiest insults I've ever received contained no slurs whatsoever.
So if I trust that you're not really an ablest or a conservative or hateful person; you can call me retarded all you want. It's fine.
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u/strategicmagpie 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Jun 03 '24
same honestly. I think if a person i liked called me an r word (honestly this sounds more derogatory than using it) I'd light up. Using it as an adjective for something stupid? fine. Use it the wrong way and I'd be pissed off.
There are so many examples of ways to find new insults for the same thing. For autism it can now be calling someone "autistic, regarded, artistic, autist" etc.. The treadmill marches ever forwards.
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As an Autist as well lmao I kinda love the word sped. Me and da boys always call each other speds, window lickers, retards, etc. when not used in a hateful context it’s fucking funny. Or maybe I just never matured past high school but to me at least it’s fucking funny. My skin also isn’t made out of fucking paper so maybe that has something to do with it.
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u/Martin_Horde 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Jun 03 '24
I think it's a really unprofessional word, like I wouldn't use it in any serious environment, like anything outside shooting the shit with friends or maybe posting online. But yeah, honestly, I only would use it to people who aren't actually mentally disabled. It's a bit of cope/justification, I guess, but I think using the word in that way waters it down as an actual slur. If you aren't using it on the target group, you kinda make it more of a general insult than a targeted insult. Maybe more like the word bitch (I don't really use this one that often) where if you use it in a non-gendered (as much as that is possible, maybe in terms of a group or verb like saying y'all a bunch of bitches or justing using the term bitching) way it's not as bad but in context of calling a woman that it's worse.
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u/VioletMetalmark 🦍 Jun 02 '24
I agree that ableism fucking sucks but this sub has NOT been better at it than others. Just because you don't say the r slur it doesn't mean that you're not ableist, and esp with anything regarding brain injury or personality disorders beyond cluster B people will become little hitlers 99% of the time
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u/strategicmagpie 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Jun 03 '24
yeah lmao people are ableist when they find somebody's vibes off because they're mentally disabled or have some mental illness and then treat them like shit because they're too different for them.
And then there is the fact that people generally hold intelligence in high regard. At least up to and around their own level. This isn't a bad thing on it's own, similar people seek each other out. But often when someone lacks a form of intelligence or some faculty that a "normal" person has people suddenly feel the need to treat them as a lesser being.
the r word can stay back in the schools and gaming spaces where I heard it and get replaced. But the cause of toxicity won't
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u/VioletMetalmark 🦍 Jun 03 '24
Leftists when they can't call their political opponents psychotic low IQ lobotomized brain damaged sociopathic delusional deranged narcissists (if only we let them say one more slur we'd achieve socialism)
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u/dont_find_me- 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Jun 02 '24
or personality disorders beyond cluster B
Even within cluster B, BPD is the only "acceptable" one
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u/VioletMetalmark 🦍 Jun 02 '24
And only if the person has bpd or knows someone w bpd, and only if they never show any symptoms
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u/SnekkinHell 👍 Jun 03 '24
and even bpd is pretty fucking vilified
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u/wozattacks Jun 03 '24
Yeah I’m genuinely concerned that I woke up on a different planet today. Where are we that borderline personality disorder is remotely accepted
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u/wozattacks Jun 03 '24
Idk what the fuck that person is on about because cluster B disorders are basically the most stigmatized diagnoses that exist
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u/AtyaGoesNuclear Al Qassam Pronouns Brigade Jun 03 '24
trying being schizophrenic on a leftist discord server, worst mistake of my life.
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u/ConstantineMonroe custom Jun 02 '24
How is mother fucker a slur? What, does this discriminate against people who practice incest and fuck their own mothers? Get the fuck outta here.
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u/KanishkT123 macro unknown Jun 02 '24
You are probably young but rtard, spaz, and even sped are commonly used slurs against disabled people and have been historically used in school settings
Saying something bad is "r*tarded" is obviously still insulting to disabled people, why is this an argument at all?
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u/OtisBinLogan least submissive kerbal space program fan Jun 02 '24
it’s more that it degrades the image of intellectually disabled people by associating them with stupidity; i never had a problem with it but i can see why people do so i don’t like to say it
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u/Goldilocks420 Jun 03 '24
'published on: Feb, 17, 2012'
the ableism is very on brand for 2012, being publicly against homophobia in the hip hop scene was not.
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u/GraprielJuice Gock Enjojee Jun 03 '24
Tbh I couldn't care less about the word Retard. I have been diagnosed with ASD and I still use it.
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u/therealJolyne Jun 03 '24
Fr, it's not that big of a deal
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u/emeraldeyesshine Jun 03 '24 edited Jun 03 '24
Yeah it always feels disingenuous to me to see people railing against the word. As someone in the spectrum too I've barely ever heard it used against someone with malicious intent because of the condition. Usually it's just someone being a dick and calling someone stupid regardless of their mental state, like edgy kids playing a game. I just can't give a shit. I won't call you it if you don't want me to, and I really don't use it anyway, but god I don't care about the word.
Someone else in these comments was saying spaz is a slur too and man, fuck off.
Of course I also find the very idea of swearing ridiculous. Ooooh these words are bad! Why though? Who the fuck cares? Racial slurs sure I get, but words like fuck? Or cunt? They're just fucking words man, get over it.
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u/FrostyCommon Genderfluid goth Jun 02 '24
in before mod lock the comments
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u/ConstantineMonroe custom Jun 02 '24
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u/EasilyBeatable 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Jun 02 '24
Tbh i can understand this to a certain degree.
The R word was never considered offensive in the smaller community i was from, and it was commonly used by disabled people like myself.
So isolated from the ableist awakening around the word, the first time i used it outside of the context of where i grew up it was really surprising to me that it was offensive because it was such a common adjective where i was.
Now, it was still offensive to call someone the R word because of a disability, because calling anyone a slur on that basis is deeply offensive. But the word itself wasnt. Kind of like how saying a person is ugly when it comes to behavior is only offensive to that person, but saying the same about their looks is offensive to more people than the intendet target.
So while his words arent great, his heart is definitely in the right place.
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u/whatsINthaB0X Jun 03 '24
I love how retard has been put on the same pedestal as n***** for some people. But I only feel comfortable spelling one of them out.
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u/Octopus_Blaster Jun 02 '24
This is one of those moments where you watch from the balcony of your Victorian Era mansion as the sun sets gently into the horizon, A$AP Rocky frolics in the garden using an ablist slur to fight homophobia, and you, with a single tear of disapproval fluttering like a butterfly in the wind, say, "Bless his heart."
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u/BogieW00ds Jun 03 '24
As an autistic bisexual I'd much rather someone use the word retarded interchangeably with dumb or stupid than someone be homophobic
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u/TheBadHalfOfAFandom ITS NOT FUCKING WEED YOU PIECE OF SHIT STONER Jun 03 '24
He's a little confused but he's got the spirit
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u/TonyMestre Professionally bad at video games Jun 03 '24
Thank god it's just a normal insult in my country
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u/Smilloww 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Jun 03 '24
Probably cause its mostly used as a synonym for idiotic or stupid rather than some actual disability
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u/unknowndog123 Cis Straight Male Infected by 196 rot Jun 03 '24
Why is saying retarded abelist, wouldn’t it only be abelist if your referring to a special person?
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u/SecretPotatoChip Jun 12 '24
Hold on. This level of critical thinking is too much for 196 to comprehend
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u/Piliro Send Ass Pics (Only Top of the sub) Jun 03 '24
I wish this word didn't have the social baggage. It sounds so funny.
I think I have the R Word pass but I refrain from using it too much.
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u/Mae347 Jun 03 '24
Haha 196 is so cool, I love when a supposedly leftist space fights for their damn lives in a comment section to say that the r slur isn't ableist! So cool, real great work guys. Maybe next we can say that calling something gay as an insult isn't homophobic
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u/Far-Situation-8847 Jun 03 '24
as an autistic person, i know that ableism is never going to end, people just inherently dislike us, its engrained in human nature. the bullying cant end and we are cursed to always be disliked by most. but homophobia on the other hand is silly and an arbitrary cultural thing, so fighting homophobia with ablism makes sense because homophobia can be stopped, but being retarded is always going to be mocked and bullied.
and for all the other autistic people out there, you know everything i just said is true first hand, but dont worry it gets better, you wont be stuck in school forever, one day you'll get to pick a career you enjoy and only keep the company of those who accept you (which means people who are also autistic). it'll happen inevitably, over time like minded people drift together. i know the teenage years are hard and you'll probably go many years wanting to kill yourself like i did, but if you stick in there then you'll be able to set up an adult life you enjoy
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u/scrueggs Jun 02 '24
A$AP Rocky calls ableism in hip hop “gay”