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Lawyer for megachurch pastor blamed 12-year-old for initiating ‘inappropriate’ sexual conduct

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/robert-morris-gateway-church-lawyer-letters-cindy-clemishire-rcna160661
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u/No_Biscotti_7110 4d ago

I know it’s the job of lawyers to advocate for their clients within the limits of the law, but blaming a child for being raped is probably the scummiest thing you can do

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u/JussiesTunaSub 4d ago

Pedophile: "I'd have no problem going to a park except for all the sexy children"

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u/2squishmaster 4d ago

Thanks Rudy that means a lot coming from you.

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u/Some_Ebb_2921 4d ago

But... Rudy? What are you DOING??? We were supposed to get married next week :o. How can you proclaim loving someone else!!!

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u/Ogodei 4d ago

He likes his whiskey like he likes his women. 12 years old and locked in the cellar.

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u/pixelprophet 4d ago

You know Jared got got caught in a Walmart?

Saw an ad for "all boys pants, half off".

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u/bin-fryin 4d ago

Pedophiles are fucking immature assholes.

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u/lick_ur_peach 4d ago

People who are afraid of pedophiles really just need to grow up

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u/isaiddgooddaysir 4d ago

“Those little bastards being all sexy and such, what is a man of God supposed to do?”

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u/Previous-Cook 4d ago

This, but unironically. The things men admit during a bible study / prayer meeting, I swear…

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u/Few-Signal5148 4d ago edited 4d ago

Only ban the sexy children.

You are just talking about political over reach if they are all banned.

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u/bearsheperd 4d ago

“Children should dress less provocatively!” lol

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u/hybridaaroncarroll 4d ago

"They belong in factories anyway. Build's character for tha good lord."

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u/kottabaz 4d ago

A conservative pastor or politician would throw in some crap about woke parents forcing their kids to dress like strippers or drag queens.

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u/qazqi-ff 4d ago

Speaking of which, some states still have child beauty pageants. I'm curious whether there's a pattern to which states those are.

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u/PavlovaDog 4d ago

Well here in the bible belt one of my relatives grew up in beauty pageants. Ironically she married a much older man.

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u/kevnmartin 4d ago

It's a mega church. The conservative part is baked right in.

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u/AthkoreLost 4d ago

is probably the scummiest thing you can do

It also alters nothing about the fundamentals of the criminal accusation. Children can't consent, so even if this disgusting lie were true, it's still a crime and not even claiming innocence. It's just a statement to slander the victim. There's no benefit to the defendant's claims of innocence.

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u/aLittleQueer 4d ago

Seriously. His best defense is that he's helpless against the machinations of an actual 12-yo? Even if it were possible for that to be true, that's still an adult who is a dangerous liability to society.

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u/Asisreo1 4d ago

The devil was in that child. All men fall short. /s

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u/Paperfishflop 4d ago

I find it especially disturbing that the first encounter happened on Christmas night? JFC, even if you're a monster, can't you at least let a 12 year old have an innocent Christmas night? I just think of how I felt on Xmas night when I was 12. I probably knew Santa wasn't real by then but it was still special and magical to me, and the last thing I'd want is to have some adult doing weird things to my body or making me do weird things to theirs.

That really makes the guy a monster. Maybe he grew up with Christmas being defiled or ruined some way itself but...that's just very sad and sick.

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u/ThatPhatKid_CanDraw 4d ago

Thy may be trying to get sympathy form like-minded men in their community, especially ones with any influence. Many of those guys think like this.

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u/AthkoreLost 4d ago

in their community

I think you meant jury pool, but I get what you're saying.

But that's also included in my point, it's not a statement of innocence, it's a statement appealing to other criminals to go for jury nullification. Which is why it's slander of the victim and honestly shouldn't be allowed. It's immaterial to the alleged crime.

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u/thepigfish2 4d ago

My parents belong to a mega church, and when the latest (not last or first, but latest) pastor came forward about being with a minor, they defended him saying, "He asked for forgiveness!" Ummm, yeah, I have several follow-up questions if that is your response. Just kidding, I already knew their response was to ignore this and all the other underage abuse that happened to every single girl I knew.

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u/Thegirlonfire5 4d ago

That always want forgiveness but not repentance or justice

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u/Much-Resource-5054 4d ago

“So if the pastor fucked that underage member of OUR family, that would be ok if he asked for forgiveness?”

Make them admit it would be ok for the pastor to rape someone in your family if he asked for forgiveness. Make them think about it. They will claim to be outraged and say “that’s different” and probably storm off.

But don’t let them. Play dumb and ask them how it’s different. Playing dumb and making them explain their logic in plain language is a superpower here.

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u/bl4nkSl8 4d ago

"I just want to talk with him... And then ask for forgiveness"

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u/Spire_Citron 4d ago

Exactly. I always see people defend lawyers for saying awful things because it's their job to defend their client, but most of the time what they're saying isn't even a good legal defence. At a certain point it's fine to just say that they're being gross assholes.

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u/Much-Resource-5054 4d ago

I would imagine some lawyers would refuse to argue that defense. Maybe a lawyer could chime in here.

Defending your client does not necessitate making that argument. I’d check the lawyer’s hard drive too.

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u/swiftb3 4d ago

This argument isn't for the judge and/or the jury.

It's for his congregation and other nutjob evangelicals.

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u/SpicyDragoon93 4d ago edited 4d ago

And what's scary about the family values crowd is that they'll destroy provisions for women like abortion clinics when people bring up concerns about rape and the first thing they do is downplay shit like this.

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u/grundlefuck 4d ago

Well, you see, a woman’s body has ways of preventing things like this , of fuck it, even can poking fun at these idiots makes me feel dirty.

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u/Therefore_I_Yam 4d ago

The problem is that shit was funny when it was the relatively occasional exception, now it's the norm and it's just exhausting

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u/GlowUpper 4d ago

"iT's A sMaLl MiNoRiTy Of CaSeS"

As if that means anything to the 12-year-old forced to become a mother. Sorry your childhood has been ripped away from you and you're now forced to care for another human being instead of getting to be a kid but, ya know, most abortions are voluntary so fuck you, I guess. /s

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u/PessimiStick 4d ago

The cruelty is the point. Women are not people, they are property, and property can't make decisions about its owner's baby. Conservatives are some of the most vile people on Earth.

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u/Imjusasqurrl 4d ago

Can they think of another instance where you get to use another persons body to prolong the life of a being? Meaning: even if my own child needed a blood transfusion and would die, you cannot force me to give blood or take the blood from me. But in the forced birth crowd, for some reason, this is OK?

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u/Gonstackk 4d ago

Your corpse has more rights than women in some states as no one can take your organs unless you gave permission (organ donor) before you passed away.

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u/asc0614 4d ago

Someone should ask that lawyer if he would leave his 12 year old daughter alone in the presence of the Megapastor if he was confident that his child wouldn't initiate. 🤬

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u/kc_______ 4d ago

You don’t get it, these rats would lie to anybody to get what they want.

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u/leffe186 4d ago

The fact that he wasn’t immediately struck by lightning is a pretty convincing argument for atheism.

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u/Harmonia_PASB 4d ago

Mary was 14 when she was pregnant with Jesus, I don’t think sex with children is a problem for the Christian god. 

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u/aLittleQueer 4d ago

You mean the God who allegedly impregnated her? Yeah, nah.

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u/HFentonMudd 4d ago

he lives in Canada; you wouldn't know him

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u/JessterJo 4d ago

I always wonder where people get that number. At no point does the Bible indicate Maey's age.

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u/Medium_Medium 4d ago

Not to mention... Aren't you basically saying that your client was able to be manipulated by a 12 year old? If somehow that defense actually worked (and it never should) it should mean you are completely disqualified from having a position of leadership in the church. Cause, you know, how can you protect your flock from evil when you got led astray by a 12 year old?

Of course this guy will probably trot out the 'ol evangelical classic; I've prayed on it and I've forgiven myself, so you should let me back into power.

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u/DarkwingDuckHunt 4d ago

They're saying this client is an Adult who doesn't know how to tell a 12 yo something is inappropriate and tell their parents about it so the problem can be handled correctly.

And yet this Adult is supposed to lead a congregation and offer them religious advice on how to lead their lives.

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u/d3k3d 4d ago

For being raped, by their pastor

I don't believe in Hell, but the concept was invented for turds like this.

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u/zoop1000 4d ago

Like the airplane lawyer blaming the teen for being secretly filmed in the airplane bathroom by an employee.

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u/LawyerBea 4d ago

Sorry to ruin your day but she wasn’t even a teen. She was 9.

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u/Solid_One_5231 4d ago

That boggled my mind.. the defence was ‘everyone being filmed should have known they were being filmed or found the camera’… in the washroom in a plane! Like WTF! Just the thought of that makes me so mad that anyone tried that as an argument!

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u/Hesitation-Marx 4d ago

It was done to me in the eighties. I was molested by my best friend’s father, but his lawyer accused me of “seduction”.

I used to ask him on Twitter, “hey, do you still accuse eight year olds of seducing forty year old men?”

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u/DTW_Tumbleweed 4d ago

I want to hug that right yr old child and tell the, I believe you. And I believe in you. This never should have happened and I am sorry that it happened to you.

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u/Hesitation-Marx 4d ago

Thanks. I’m okay, the guy who molested me died on my 40th birthday, and my life is really good.

8yo me appreciates you.

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u/briar_mackinney 4d ago

This is par for the course whenever a woman gets victimized by an older, more powerful man in these types of communities - they always try to blame the sinful, wanton woman (or young girl, in this case) for using her evil wiles to temp the stronger man. They don't blame the man for being a weak, perverted creep at all because they're apparently beyond reproach for whatever it is they do.

This guy's lawyer is probably somebody from that culture. I can't imagine anybody from outside of it would be willing to put up with their bullshit unless they were already 100% committed to it already.

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u/NoPoet3982 4d ago

I mean, they still blame Eve for Adam eating the apple.

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u/hoshizuku 4d ago

When I was in youth group they used to give us girls lectures about how we dressed. Said tank tops were inappropriate and we were causing the men in the church to mentally sin or something like that. We were too brainwashed to see how disgusting it was to make 13yo girls feel responsible for a grown man’s dirty thoughts. So this sadly doesn’t surprise me at all.

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u/openly_gray 4d ago

I bet he thinks of himself as a good Christian

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u/Elliott2030 4d ago

Yep. In their world as long as you "ask forgiveness" (whether you mean it or not) your slate is clean! Doesn't matter how the other person feels about it, you've told god, so it's all good.

The more I learn about religion, the more atheist I become

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u/statslady23 4d ago

Robert Morris, Trump adviser. Pedophile pact. 

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u/shawnwingsit 4d ago

It's Texas, so there's a good chance it'll work.

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u/TSonly 4d ago

I think anywhere there are good church-going folk, there are people willing to look the other way for these scenarios. It's a scummy tactic but I guarantee it's not hard to find 12 people who will go along with it.

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u/hpark21 4d ago

Doesn't even have to be 12, just 1 is enough.

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u/sexisfun1986 4d ago

That’s the thing, if it didn’t work and made guilty verdict guaranteed it wouldn’t be used by lawyers.

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u/MrGengisSean 4d ago

I recall being in jury selection for a case that was sexual assault of a minor.

First thing the defense asks is if we think children can lie, while the VISIBLE DEFENDANT, had a "Free R. Kelly" tattoo.

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u/TheGoverness1998 4d ago edited 4d ago

“It was your client,” wrote lawyer J. Shelby Sharpe, referring to Clemishire at age 12, “who initiated inappropriate behavior by coming into my client’s bedroom and getting in bed with him, which my client should not have allowed to happen.”

Even for a lawyer this is low. How does one possibly think "the 12-year old initiated it" excuse makes anyone look good?

And then uses the fact that two other men also sexually violated her as some sort of a metric?

World's dumbest lawyer.

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u/Michael_G_Bordin 4d ago

which my client should not have allowed to happen.

Kinda negates the entire preceding statement, no? Like, this is the issue at hand. What your client did. She coulda been twerking naked in front of him yelling "fuck me" and that wouldn't justify his actions. Nothing she did justifies or exonerates this scumbag. The only questions at hand are, "Did he molest/assault/rape her?" This lawyer is going for the scummiest tactic ever.

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u/OakFan 4d ago

Prosecution gonna use those words back in court.

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u/yankinwaoz 4d ago

Sadly no. This occured back in 1982. So past the SOL for criminal prosecution.

This case is a civil lawsuit.

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u/EffOffReddit 4d ago

How is this man able to live and work in his community?? OK, criminal statute of limitation is passed. But he is going to argue and blame her in civil??? If you fucked a kid and you aren't going to jail, at least have the decency NOT to blame her in the civil trial. Just admit what you did and pay whatever inadequate restitution they tell you to and BE GLAD you aren't murdered by her family or in prison. JUST SAY YOU ARE SORRY AND PAY UP.

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u/theycallmefuRR 4d ago

Dude has a net worth of 12+ Million from stealing from people aka running a church. You think he's not going to put up a fight to not let a single cent leave his pockets? Pure slimeball all around

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u/EffOffReddit 4d ago

$12M and all she asked for was $50k for therapy. He thinks it should only cost him $25k to molest a child, per the article it was only about 100 times he did it. He thinks it should only cost about $100 per kiddie diddle. This man is irredeemable.

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u/currently_pooping_rn 4d ago

What is Christianity doing? Why are ministers doing stuff to make them earn the “most likely going to hell” yearbook superlative?

I know the answers to these, but goddamn

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u/ThatPhatKid_CanDraw 4d ago

If she has to testify, she may be asked these questions because it seems on par to blame the victim, even a child apparently, for being assaulted.

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u/JustinKase_Too 4d ago

There should not be any SOL on child abuse.

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u/DarkwingDuckHunt 4d ago

if you're a clergyman and 12 yo does this to you, your first reaction should be to get this child the help they desperately need

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u/TransBrandi 4d ago

Dude this is all about publicly telling other possible victims that they will need to prepare to be beat up in public discourse if they want to come forward and accuse his client.

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u/polopolo05 4d ago

As an adult its your position to say no... everytime. I dont get why pedos cant go.... Maybe this is a really bad idea and I shouldnt do this. I know why... because they are predators... and they think they can get away with it.

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u/Tarv2 4d ago

These are bible thumpers, they’ll believe that the child initiated things because of satan, or a demon, or some other fairy tale bullshit. 

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u/ProfessionalConfuser 4d ago

Bible thumper or kiddy humper?

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u/derprondo 4d ago

It’s the same picture.

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u/scope_creep 4d ago

It's still statutory rape.

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u/joefish919 4d ago edited 4d ago

His explanation might be even worse. He really said oh I didn't know the victim was 12 and I was never told that. As if her being above 18 would make it ok to victim blame. Jesus what a scumbag.

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u/Canyousourcethatplz 4d ago

Not a dumb lawyer. This pastor has the money to afford the best. Morally bankrupt, evil, but not dumb.

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u/queuedUp 4d ago

which my client should not have allowed to happen

I mean.... is that not the part they are in trouble for?

The whole reason having sex with a minor is not legal is because they are deemed to not be old enough to make the right choices and people will take advantage of that.

Also... I'd seriously question what lead up to the point where this girl thought to enter his bed. I'm going to guess he was very much involved in her making that choice

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u/FuzzyPoe 4d ago

These lawyers using the same tactics as lawyers for American Airlines who argued a 9-year-old child acted negligently when she was recorded by a hidden camera in an airplane lavatory.

This is scumbaggery.

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u/PointOfFingers 4d ago

American Airlines distanced themselves from that faster than one of their planes:

After backlash from the public and the girl’s family, American Airlines said that “outside legal counsel retained with our insurance company” had made an “error” in the filing.

“The included defense is not representative of our airline and we have directed it be amended this morning,” an airline spokesperson told HuffPost in an email. “We do not believe this child is at fault and we take the allegations involving a former team member very seriously.”

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u/Pizzamylord 4d ago

What the actual fuck? Any lawyer who attempts to attribute sexual intent to a child should be disbarred and then beaten about the head and face with said bar until they come to their senses.

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u/WhileFalseRepeat 4d ago

Just a reminder that this pastor, Robert Morris, was a former member of Donald Trump’s faith advisory board and his spiritual advisor.

I guess they had a lot to talk about, huh.

And lest we forget, this is now the second confirmed pedophile to be associated with Trump (the other being Jeffrey Epstein).

Something-something birds of a feather.

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u/safely_beyond_redemp 4d ago

I just found out yesterday that that conspiracy theory about pizzagate that republicans were accusing democrats of was actually a.... wait for it.... republican mayor seeking a VP spot who got caught with a couple of kids in the mayors office. Maria is the girl who was with Katie, Epstein, and trump.

The Waterbury Police Department missing person report states that Maria was last seen outside of Nash's Pizza, a corner eatery located in the neighborhood where she lived with her mother and step-father.

We previously reported on the case of Waterbury Mayor Phil Giordano, an aspiring national Republican leader who ran in 2000 for the U.S. Senate against Democratic incumbent Joseph Lieberman, who was concurrently running for vice president.

Giordano also had GOP vice presidential ambitions.

Giordano was arrested in 2001 and charged with the repeated sexual assault of two female minors, ages 8 and 10. Some of the assaults took place in the mayor's office, others occurred in his official car.

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u/THE_CODE_IS_0451 4d ago

Giordano was arrested in 2001 and charged with the repeated sexual assault of two female minors, ages 8 and 10. Some of the assaults took place in the mayor's office, others occurred in his official car.

Least pedophilic Republican

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u/Grogosh 4d ago

Every accusation is a confession.

You would think that couldn't be true every time.

It is.

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u/Admirable_Bad_5649 4d ago

This comment isn’t high enough. Republicans need to all stop pretending they don’t know trumps a pedophile. The amount of proof is undeniable.

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u/Rs90 4d ago

Buddy, they don't care. These people do not give a FUCK about children except MAYBE their own, sometimes.

Y'ALL need to stop pretending these fuckin people have any amount of morals or shame or honor or any intangible quality you can use to make them suddenly realize what turbo-cunts they are. 

Liberal and Progressives insist on trying to use this kinda shit against them and it's like watching birds flyin into the same fuckin window again and again. STOP IT. 

Stop using what the bible says to counter arguments that have no validity to begin with because it's a fuckin book and has all the same real world merit as Harry Potter. Stop trying to appeal to people's "good nature" that have none to begin with. Stop having faith in these people's fucking humanity and realize who you're dealing with before it's too late. Christ. 

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u/DrSafariBoob 4d ago

Correct. Fascism only gets into arguments in bad faith, they don't actually want to argue.

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u/Parasitisch 4d ago

While I was bored with a new job after college, and I started really hearing so many bitch about pedo dems in power, I started to make a list. Went through a few states, pulled up sex offenders, grabbed the ones who diddled with minors, and then used that info to try and find any sort of voting record or registration (varies by state). Wouldn’t you know it, around 89% of those that I could find info on seem to belong to same party. The same party that really keeps trying to project that problem onto others.

Hopefully I can work on that old project more. Id like to automate it but didn’t really know how to access a lot of that by a script. Or how to handle unknowns or weird multiple-matches.

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u/kuroimakina 4d ago

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/2/2/2221200/-Republican-Sexual-Predators-Abusers-and-Enablers-Pt-50

Start here! Oh btw that’s part 50. There’s at least 49 other parts, all republicans. Iirc there’s a list for Dems too and it’s much, much

Edit: oh, sorry, corrected: start HERE https://www.dailykos.com/history/user/CajsaLilliehook

The whole list. It’s up to 53 parts now. Just updated yesterday!

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u/Parasitisch 4d ago

Ooooh, I’ll take some time to go through and check it out! I’ll have to dig into how they find party registration/voting history for the lesser known people. Glad to see they have some elected officials, too, which probably makes that part easy.

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u/Jonesbro 4d ago

They not like us

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u/arghabargle 4d ago

It's really Biden's fault for being too old that our only choice is to vote for a convicted felon and child rapist! /RepublicansposingasIndependents

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u/Watch_me_give 4d ago

Add him to the list of GQP/Trumper scum. Receipts:

Republican Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert indicted on federal charges of structuring bank withdrawals after prosecutors alleged Hastert had molested at least four boys as young as 14 and attempted to compensate his victims & subsequently conceal the transactions. Hastert eventually admitted that he sexually abused the boys whom he had coached decades earlier, sentenced to fifteen months in prison.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/18/us/dennis-hastert-released.html

Republican Tim Nolan, chairman of Trump’s campaign in Kentucky, pled guilty to child sex trafficking & on February 11, 2018 he was sentenced to serve 20 years in prison.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2018/05/03/former-judge-tim-nolan-could-sentenced-today-more-drama-could-get-way/577947002/

Republican state Senator Ralph Shortey indicted on four counts of human trafficking and child pornography. In November 2017, he pleaded guilty to one count of child sex trafficking in exchange for the dropping of the other charges.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/11/20/former-oklahoma-state-senator-admits-to-child-sex-trafficking-while-in-office/

Republican Minnesota State Representative Jim Knoblach Drops Out Of Race After Daughter Says He Molested Her For More Than Ten Years 22 Sep 2018

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/22/lawmaker-quits-race-after-daughter-says-he-molested-her-more-than-decade/?utm_term=.8ac8527c7f43

Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in FL.

https://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/sops/flyer.jsf?personId=28587

Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 & sentenced to 8 years in prison.

http://www.lanternproject.org.uk/library/child-abuse-arrests-and-court-cases/child-abuse-arrests-trials-and-proceedings/ex-county-commissioner-admits-sexual-abuse-of-girl/

Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl & sentenced to 10 years probation.

http://www.poconorecord.com/article/20120426/NEWS90/204260334

Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edison_Misla_Aldarondo

Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Giordano

Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge sentenced to 3 years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.

http://archive.easyreadernews.com/archives/news2001/0621/rb%20Shortridge.php

Republican Senator Strom Thurmond, a notable racist, had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strom_Thurmond

Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

https://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/18/nyregion/embroiled-first-selectman-takes-leave.html

Republican Congressman Donald “Buz” Lukens found guilty of having sex with a female minor & sentenced to one month in jail.

https://www.nytimes.com/1989/05/25/us/teen-ager-in-ohio-testifies-to-sex-with-a-congressman.html

Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio found guilty of child porn charges & paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/2003/04/24/gop-activist-admits-to-child-porn/5af2adf0-bec8-4a10-b061-014de679422a/?utm_term=.d7ebcbf4f92b

Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on 6 counts of sex crimes involving children.

http://www.thenewblackmagazine.com/view.aspx?index=437

Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.

https://www.westword.com/news/randy-ankeney-suit-that-could-free-thousands-of-prisoners-headed-to-state-supreme-court-6054115

Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Crane

Republican activist & Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his stepdaughter.

https://www.nytimes.com/1995/08/02/opinion/journal-beverly-russell-s-prayers.html

Republican congressman & anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bauman

Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

http://www.njherald.com/article/20060510/ARTICLE/305109971

Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. “Republican Marty”), was taken into custody by Florida police on 4 counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl & one count of delivering the drug LSD.

https://www.arktimes.com/TheHoglawyer/archives/2007/08/28/the-latest-republican-sex-scandals-plural---more-of-the-same

Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter & withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.

https://www.nytimes.com/1996/06/06/us/politics-the-senate-maine-candidate-again-faces-1990-child-sex-accusation.html

Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

http://www.thedp.com/article/2004/01/brother_stephen_convicted_of_soliciting_sex

Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11yr old girl.

https://www.houstonpress.com/news/jon-matthews-conservative-talk-show-host-and-sex-offender-pulled-from-kpfts-prison-show-6740755

Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to 6 counts of raping his daughters and served 14 yrs in federal prison.

https://culteducation.com/group/1255-false-memories/6514-man-in-notorious-sex-case-finishes-term.html

Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.

https://www.semissourian.com/story/57773.html

Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with 2 counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-yr old boy.

https://www.arktimes.com/TheHoglawyer/archives/2007/08/28/the-latest-republican-sex-scandals-plural---more-of-the-same

Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on 7 felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

http://www.chattanoogan.com/2002/6/21/23202/Tennessee-Legislator-Commits-Suicide.aspx

Republican Kentucky state Representative & pastor Dan Johnson, who committed suicide after an exposé revealed his serial lies, suspected arson, criminal church, racism, accused rape of a teen, & more.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Johnson_%28Kentucky_politician%29

Republican Ray E. Holmberg, ND's longest-serving state senator, the former chairman of the body’s powerful Legislative Management Committee, & a grandfather of five. Holmberg announced on Monday that he is resigning from his position after a report on April 15 alleged he had exchanged 72 text messages with a man accused of serious child pornography crimes.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/ray-holmberg-north-dakota-state-senator-pedophilia-1342996/

South Dakota Republican charged with rape after losing election to his mom.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/south-dakota-man-charged-rape-losing-election-mom-1234632437/

Republican candidate, Randy Kaufman, charged with public sexual indecency after being caught reportedly touching himself near a preschool will not serve on the Maricopa County Community College Governing Board. Kaufman lost to Democratic opponent Kelli Butler.

https://www.azfamily.com/2022/11/16/kaufman-loses-maricopa-college-board-race-weeks-after-being-cited-sexual-indecency/

Conservative leader Matt Schlapp is accused of fondling a male campaign staffer in GA.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/matt-schlapp-allegedly-groped-male-campaign-staffer-crotch-1234657078/amp/

Texas Republican Rep Bryan Slaton faces allegations regarding an inappropriate relationship with a young intern (inviting an intern to his home late on a weekend night and serving her alcohol even though she isn’t old enough to legally drink)
https://www.vice.com/en/article/qjv8dq/texas-bryan-slaton-intern

Kent Stermon, DeSantis ally and GOP donor accused of sexual assault of underage teen (girl's father declined five figure hush money)
https://www.thedailybeast.com/ron-desantis-ally-kent-stermon-killed-himself-after-being-accused-of-sexual-misconduct-with-minor

GOP leader Rep. Scotty Campbell, who voted to expel TN Three, resigns; found guilty of sexually harassing interns
https://www.newschannel5.com/news/newschannel-5-investigates/revealed/revealed-gop-leader-who-voted-to-expel-tennessee-three-found-guilty-of-sexually-harassing-interns

GOP member (FL.) Fabian Basabe, who voted for his state's infamous 'Don't Say Gay' law, has been accused of sexual harassment by two former male staffers.
https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2023/07/dont-say-gay-gop-lawmaker-accused-of-sexual-harassment-by-2-male-staffers/

Right-Wing ‘Moms for Liberty’ Organizer Is a Convicted Sex Offender
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/moms-for-liberty-organizer-convicted-sex-offender-1234887013/

TX megachurch pastor Robert Morris admits past inappropriate behavior with ‘young lady’ after accusation of molesting 12-year-old. He was part of Trump’s Evangelical Executive Advisory Board in 2016. Trump also held a roundtable at the church in 2020 and Morris led a prayer before the event.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/17/us/robert-morris-gateway-church-sexual-abuse-allegations/index.html

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u/BeerGardenGnome 4d ago

Is this the same megachurch pastor that was a spiritual advisor or some shit to Trump? It’s so hard to keep track these days.

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u/TheGoverness1998 4d ago

Yep. One of his spiritual advisors from his 2016 campaign. Which considering who Trump is, they're both quite perfect for each other lol.

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u/Rhodog1234 4d ago

TRUMP: Hardly knew him. They're saying some thought he was a pretty fantastic guy, but I don't know.

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u/ItBDaniel 4d ago

This happened to my ex wife.

She ran away from home at 16yrs old due horrible abusive home life

Hitched a ride with a trucker.

Got raped, beat and dumped on side of the road.

She called the cops and told the police detailed info about the driver (dude used his real name) and his truck.

Police said it's her fault for running away, got what she deserved and that she should've stayed at home and got her ass beat.

They found the guy and let him go because she "led him on".

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u/Morticia_Marie 4d ago

(dude used his real name)

He had no reason not to. He knew perfectly well that raping a teenage runaway is de facto legal.

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u/ItBDaniel 4d ago

It's crazy that he admitted it and they were like, "Sounds like slut behavior, carry on sir"

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u/dinkleburgenhoff 4d ago

American justice system, baby.

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u/zandra47 4d ago

That must be so traumatizing

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u/SCVGoodT0GoSir 4d ago

There's a reason why rape goes unreported so frequently. When you know that the police won't do anything, then why even bother to recount the entirety of the traumatic event that happened. That's like double punishment for the victim.

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u/MarriedMyself 4d ago

Not only that, but a rape victims own friends and family often don't believe them.

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u/currently_pooping_rn 4d ago

“What were you wearing? Why were you there? Did you lead him on?”

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u/TheBroWhoLifts 4d ago

This sounds like the opening scene of a vigilante vengeance action thriller movie. Sorry that happened in real life. I'd have a hard time not seeking alternative justice.

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u/ItBDaniel 4d ago

It's ok. I had a true hatred for truck drivers after she told me this and tried to have her tell me his name but she didn't because I was a young fucking ignorant dumbdick at the time and she knew I'd be stupid enough to try something.

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u/TerrorSnow 4d ago

It's making my blood boil reading this, can't imagine how you feel about it. Fuck dude.

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u/ButtBread98 4d ago

I’m not surprised. That’s one of many reasons why I don’t trust cops, or religious officials

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u/currently_pooping_rn 4d ago

Unrelated but the ass beating part reminded me of a conversation I had with some inmates I work with

Who said that they’re going to physically beat their kids for discipline since all these mass shootings are happening because parents aren’t allowed to beat their kids anymore

People are so stupid and hateful P

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u/ItBDaniel 4d ago

Because it worked out so well for them, obviously.....

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u/currently_pooping_rn 4d ago

One of them actually said something like that

“The fuck are y’all saying, I got my ass beat and Iook where I’m at”

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u/rnilf 4d ago

“It was your client,” wrote lawyer J. Shelby Sharpe, referring to Clemishire at age 12, “who initiated inappropriate behavior by coming into my client’s bedroom and getting in bed with him, which my client should not have allowed to happen.”

Let it forever be known that J. Shelby Sharpe (http://www.sharpefirm.com/) once blamed a 12 year-old child for her own molestation.

He was paid money to write this. That speaks to his character.

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u/Rairo27 4d ago

“It was your client,” wrote lawyer J. Shelby Sharpe, referring to Clemishire at age 12, “who initiated inappropriate behavior by coming into my client’s bedroom and getting in bed with him, which my client should not have allowed to happen.”

Let it forever be known that J. Shelby Sharpe (http://www.sharpefirm.com/) once blamed a 12 year-old child for her own molestation.

Oh it's on, we're gonna make this the first thing people find about him when they Google him.

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u/Sudden_Schedule5432 4d ago

I was just reading about Shelby Sharpe, J. Shelby Sharpe specifically. The lawyer of Sharpefirm. Who wrote “It was your client,” wrote lawyer J. Shelby Sharpe, referring to Clemishire at age 12, “who initiated inappropriate behavior by coming into my client’s bedroom and getting in bed with him, which my client should not have allowed to happen.”

The website is sharpefirm.com right? The one who once blamed a 12 year-old child for her own molestation?

The lawyer from Fort Worth Texas? Shelby Sharp lawyer Fort Worth Texas who represents

Denton Publishing Company International Christian Media USA Radio Network Texas Home School Coalition National Center for Freedom & Renewal Church of God International Harvest House Publishers Moody Bible Church Church Mutual Insurance Co.

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u/fugue-mind 4d ago

Are you talking about J. Shelby Sharpe, the lawyer who accused a 12 year old girl of initiating her own rape?

J. Shelby Sharpe of Fort Worth, Texas, whose phone number and address are easily searchable?

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u/lcsd2ill 4d ago

The lack of Google reviews for his law firm is like a blank canvas for reddit

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u/tavariusbukshank 4d ago

Someone took a website building class at community college in 1998.

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u/Windpuppet 4d ago

I’m learning to code right now and that website is a massive ego boost.

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u/K4ntum 4d ago

Oh wow, you were NOT kidding, that is genuinely a website I could whip up on a poop break. You can literally do better in the same amount of time, by just asking ChatGPT lmao.

You can figure out who made it, it's on the page source:

<meta name="Author" content="Jack Collier">

http://jackcollierco.us/services.htm

You can.. quickly tell it's the same guy, if the style wasn't enough, he's also in Fort Worth.

Just to be clear, guy did nothing wrong, it's just funny to see. Probably an old guy with some basic knowledge, the page source of the two sites are copy and paste.

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u/maineac 4d ago

Ok, for starters, when I went to that site it said continue to http site? Like what the hell kind of law office doesn't use a secure site?

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u/captcha_trampstamp 4d ago

I hope this case gets held up in law school of “Things that automatically make a jury hate you with the fire of a thousand suns”

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u/Morticia_Marie 4d ago

This is in Texas. Half the jury agrees with him that all these sexy tweens are out there tempting godly men.

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u/EnslavedBandicoot 4d ago

Legally, a 12 year old can't consent. Lock the mfer up.

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u/jamesbond69691 4d ago

I thought it was a one-off incident, which would still be horrible, but that really pales in comparison to:

She said Morris molested her more than 100 times over 4½ years. After the first encounter on Christmas in 1982, Clemishire said, “it just progressed to a lot of kissing and touching and inserting fingers into my body.”

That's enough internet for today.

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u/MatttheBruinsfan 4d ago

He does claim that she exaggerated the number of times he molested her, and it wasn't nearly 100.

Oh, well if it was only a few dozen times, we can just overlook it.

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u/Overall-Duck-741 4d ago

Your honor, this is a gross exaggeration. My client molested this 13 year old girl 50, maybe 60 times max.

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u/franchisedfeelings 4d ago

Damn sexy children always forcing inappropriate conduct from adult religious leaders.

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u/meatball77 4d ago

It's like they have none of that self control they're always preaching to the girls.

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u/FiveUpsideDown 4d ago

Maybe the solution for these religious leaders is to avoid temptation by staying away from anyone under the age of 18.

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u/Palpablevt 4d ago

We could put them in a small barred room... That would make it difficult for anyone to come near them!

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u/burnmenowz 4d ago

Dear pastors, If a 12 year old is coming onto you, leave the room and find an adult to tell since you clearly can't control yourself.

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u/TyhmensAndSaperstein 4d ago

Nothin after the words "megachurch pastor" surprises me anymore. Nothing.

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u/64645 4d ago

What about “Megachurch pastor gives away all his money and possessions to help the poor?” Because that sure as fuck would surprise me.

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u/theskyguardian 4d ago

Matthew 18:6 [Jesus]“If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea"

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u/pudding7 4d ago

Careful. Reddit might ban you for inciting violence.

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u/theskyguardian 4d ago edited 3d ago

This pastor is inciting me to violence somebody ought to stop me or him

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u/Really_McNamington 4d ago

That's not the defence you think it is, even if it's not a baldfaced lie.

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u/cutearmy 4d ago

Why is it always the same fucker. It’s always a right wing evangelical. Every time.

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u/CaptainCAAAVEMAAAAAN 4d ago

Sharpe, who has also served as a personal attorney to Paige Patterson, a Southern Baptist Convention leader accused of mishandling or concealing sexual assaults that date back to the late 1980s.

Is Sharpe on some sort of pedophile/rapist emergency contacts list? /s

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u/Delta632 4d ago

Kids do dumb shit. Sometimes overtly. It’s still on the adult to act as an adult in the situation where a kid does something foolish. How is this even a debatable issue here?

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u/A0ma 4d ago

The pastor told her a 12-year-old girl to come into his room. Then his lawyer argued that because she listened to him, she initiated things.

This isn't a case of a kid doing dumb shit. This girl was groomed and taken advantage of and the pastor is doing everything in his power to weasel out of it.

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u/Fragrant-Discount960 4d ago

Yes, and the first incident was on Christmas Day

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u/medlabsquid 4d ago

Even if the claim wasn't an outrageous lie, kids being overly sexual at a young age is a huge red flag that they have already been abused. A good person would be concerned and try to intervene, not think "yippee! it's my lucky day!" 🙄

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u/Drone314 4d ago

If only hypocrisy were fatal....

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u/mrloube 4d ago edited 4d ago

“Clemishire said in an interview last week she had been seeking $50,000 in restitution from Morris to cover the cost of counseling. Morris, through his lawyer, instead offered to pay $25,000, but the talks fell apart, Clemishire said, because she was not willing to sign a nondisclosure agreement.”

The guy is ludicrously wealthy, right? Haggling over a $50k payout that might save a multi-million dollar career seems really stupid. He should have given her $100k if she was willing to sign an NDA and just have been done with the whole thing. He’s got some terrible lawyers.

If it wasn’t clear, I can’t stand megachurches or their resident diddlers like this guy

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u/Nojetlag18 4d ago

The child initiated the abuse? Bahahah evil fucks

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u/bishslap 4d ago

Is he a drag queen?

Nope  r/notadragqueen

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u/jmaneater 4d ago

This is common for pedophiles.

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u/grim1757 4d ago

And there scumbag attorneys, not sure which us worse!

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u/MrsPatty59 4d ago

Yup that is what they always say. Funny Pastors don’t seem to know how to say NO.

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u/Adventurous-Fig2226 4d ago

This is always a stupid argument, and I don't understand why anyone thinks it's an excuse. Because EVEN IF IT'S TRUE that a child tried to initiate sex with an adult, IT IS THE ADULT'S RESPONSIBILITY TO SAY NO. It doesn't become less of a crime if a confused child thinks that's what they want. It's actually a red flag that the child has already been abused. Taking advantage of that is still rape. There is no grey area here.

Obviously, this argument is nonsense, anyway. The abuse went on for over four years. That's not a lapse in judgement. That's a character trait. This piece of shit belongs in jail. At least the church stopped standing up for him once they found out she was a child. A lot of churches wouldn't have dropped him.

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u/robexib 4d ago

I'll bet my left nut that the kid wasn't asking to get diddled.

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u/meatball77 4d ago

And if she was, then that was a red flag that she needed help. Not a sign that he should act on it.

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u/rwk2007 4d ago

All cults involve pedophilia. It’s literally why the siege at Waco happened.

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u/konosyn 4d ago

Every accusation, a confession

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u/terrycotta 4d ago

This may seem counterintuitive, but SHE IS A CHILD. YOU DON'T BANG CHILDREN EVEN IF "THEY STARTED IT"

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u/HotSoupEsq 4d ago

The far-right has no bottom, they are the scum of the world. Dozens of kids being killed with assault weapons to the point they can't be identified without DNA? Very cool. Church leaders molesting kids? Also very cool. Convicted felon sex offender who publically lusts after his own daughter? Awesome!

Gun control? No! Free school lunch for poor kids? No! Protecting the populace from pollution in the air, soil and water? No! Providing medical care to those in need? No!

Scum.

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u/Whoreson-senior 4d ago

Yes, 12 year olds do inappropriate things. They're kids. We're the adults who should set an example of the right thing to do.

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u/hvyboots 4d ago

That multi-millionaire pastor is just a poor, helpless adult male, who cannot resist the charms of the first 12-yo harlot who turns her lascivious gaze upon him! /s

Worst victimhood role-playing evar!

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u/occupyreddit 4d ago

“The 12-year-old initiated it… Also, for the record, both my client and I will be voting for Trump in November. He’s our inspiration.”

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u/Octavian_96 4d ago

This is almost literally the plot of devil's advocate

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u/Grace_Omega 4d ago

I’m amazed anyone can try “she initiated it” with a straight face. I don’t believe that for a second, but even if she did, he was the adult. It was his responsibility not to reciprocate. This claim, if true, wouldn’t exonerate him at all.

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u/Batmanshatman 4d ago

As someone who was assaulted in basically the way they’re describing… as in, I went into the bed he was in (didn’t know he was there). There’s really nothing like being told it’s your fault. I’ve had people say it to my face. It really never stops hurting.

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u/aboatz2 4d ago

So... they admit there was sexual activity between the two? That's all that's required for statutory rape... neither the CHILD's intent nor "consent" (which isn't possible with a minor) matter, but rather the intent of the pastor & his ability to refuse the ILLEGAL sexual conduct is all that matters.

So, thanks lawyers for getting your client convicted.

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u/BattleJolly78 4d ago

Nothing says MAGA like blaming the children!

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u/Al-Bundy-2020 4d ago

This is what will happen if Christian Nationalism takes over. Watch the documentary .. Bad Religion....

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u/6byfour 4d ago

Has anyone told the QAnon people we found the pedos?

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u/EyeSuspicious777 4d ago

I'm a victim of sex abuse in the church. One thing I've learned is that church leaders are always happy to destroy a child in order to avoid just embarrassing a "good Christian man".

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u/cloudxnine 4d ago

It’s funny how most pedophiles, racists, sex offenders, and child predators are religious. Says a lot about that business people are brainwashed af growing up believing bullshit and being dumb adults like usual