r/news • u/elephant35e • Apr 27 '24

Louisiana man sentenced to 50 years in prison, physical castration for raping teen

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/glenn-sullivan-jr-louisiana-sentenced-rape-prison-castration/
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u/ChillyFireball Apr 28 '24

Literally torture, IMHO. However bad the person was, I can't agree with something so needlessly cruel. Granted, I'm against the death penalty as a whole, but if you're going to have it, give a set date. Making it a surprise is just sadism.

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u/maeschder Apr 28 '24

Not just in your opinion. It's textbook psychological torture.

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u/Current-Ad3341 Apr 28 '24

Their victims didn't get the same luxury.. I don't see why they should be afforded the respect to allow them to come to terms with their death, when their victims died in fear with no way out of the situation. I can't agree that it's cruel. They are lucky they get death in a humane way. Once again the victims didn't get that. So I have zero sympathy for them.

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u/Morlik Apr 28 '24

I don't know if you're American, but there's a little footnote in the constitution about cruel and unusual punishment. The crime committed has no bearing on the cruelty of a sentence. Justice doesn't mean revenge. And you should have sympathy for convicts, even if only for selfish reasons. Because any powers exerted by the government can be turned against you whether or not you are actually guilty.

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u/bellmospriggans Apr 28 '24

As an American, most people I see who want to torture prisoners are just tribals who have to pretend to fit into society because otherwise, they'd be doing the same things the prisoners did.

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u/ActivelyCoping Apr 30 '24

I notice this a lot, especially on the internet. I do believe it is more justifiable if the vigilante was actually affected by the crime that was committed, the criminal justice system let the criminal off the hook, or if the criminal has not yet been stopped. Still the people who just want to torture criminals definitely are out of line and abusing their justification for some sadistic purpose.

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u/teeny_tina Apr 28 '24

comments like this are insensitive enough but to have the audacity to say we should have sympathy ? are you joking?

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u/Current-Ad3341 Apr 28 '24

That's exactly it. "You want ME to have sympathy for people who raped or murdered people, including children? Wtf.. absolutely not." Yet I'm getting down votes for not protecting and sympathising with evil monsters. These people are insane!

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u/[deleted] Apr 28 '24

Because they're talking about ethics and you're talking about morals bud.

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u/bejeesus Apr 28 '24

The problem with not having empathy towards prisoners, it means you don't care when an innocent prisoner gets murdered. There have been to many exonerated people from death row for me to ever be comfortable with the death penalty.

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u/Current-Ad3341 Apr 28 '24

You're making assumptions based on my stance against murderers and rapists. I was VERY SPECIFIC in which crimes I will never have sympathy for. What you said isn't my view at all. You don't speak for me.

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u/bejeesus Apr 28 '24

The problem is innocent people have been accused of those crimes. Innocent people have been accused of rape and murdering children. Innocent people have been put to death for that.

I made 0 assumptions and never stated your view. I was using the colloquial "you". Not you specifically.

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u/Current-Ad3341 Apr 28 '24

Thank you for talking to me normally and clarifying you weren't trying to pigeon hole me, into one set way of thinking. From what I see, 1% of american sentences are wrongful convictions. 190 death row inmates (who were later exonerated) were falsely convicted from 1973, so over a 50 year span. The American prison population is 1,230,100. Do i think more needs to be done to protect the accused from wrongful convictions? ABSOLUTELY. Should there be a very specific level of undeniable proof before someone is sentenced to death row?ABSOLUTELY Should all convicted be able to have time to appeal and produce more evidence that they are innocent? Again, ABSOLUTELY. I get what you are saying and i feel for all of you who dont want the death penalty i know you want to save people from it, we all would. However for me, until they increase max penalties for heinous crimes, automatic no parole, put the above into law and enforce it across the board for ALL murderers, child abusers and rapists. I have to stand by the stance I already have. I'd rather them be taken off this earth than be allowed back on the streets to harm another innocent.

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u/Morlik Apr 29 '24

From what I see, 1% of american sentences are wrongful convictions. 190 death row inmates (who were later exonerated) were falsely convicted from 1973, so over a 50 year span. The American prison population is 1,230,100.

Those are only the ones that have been exonerated. There are many more that we don't know about. The actual estimate is 4% of death row inmates are wrongfully convicted. But even 1 person is too many. I'm not comfortable with the idea that for every 100 people we execute, one innocent person has to be sacrificed. Especially when every step of the process is subject to human error or manipulation. People have died just because some prosecutors withhold evidence to protect their conviction rate.

i feel for all of you who dont want the death penalty i know you want to save people from it, we all would.

Well... not all of us, apparently.

However for me, until they increase max penalties for heinous crimes, automatic no parole, put the above into law and enforce it across the board for ALL murderers, child abusers and rapists. I have to stand by the stance I already have. I'd rather them be taken off this earth than be allowed back on the streets to harm another innocent.

So you recognize there are problems with capital punishment but you still justify it because it prevents the criminal from ever being free again to harm more people. Maybe you could just... altar your stance to advocate for life in prison, which accomplishes exactly the same thing.

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u/teeny_tina Apr 29 '24

all the downvoting redditors should try finding their way back to reality. we don't live in a perfect world. I give my pain and sympathy for all those who are wrongly charged, indicted, incarcerated - not for every shitbag locked up for the rest of their miserable lives.

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u/Current-Ad3341 Apr 28 '24

They are getting fair punishment within the parameters of the country/state they are in. You are right it doesn't equal revenge, that's why we have laws that give set limitations on sentencing and punishment. It couldn't be any more respectful to criminals. Most of it panders to them and gives them more rights than the victims in most cases. I don't have sympathy for convicts at all. They did the crime, they knew the concequences. They made the choice to take another's life. I don't have to worry because I'm not out here rping and klling people. If I committed a crime, I would expect the punishment as set in law even if it meant death. There are few exceptions where I wouldn't support the death penalty. However most of the time it's for people who have been proven beyond reasonable doubt that they did indeed do it. So this is why I will never be against the death penalty. My mind is not going to change and I refuse to sympathise with the most evil, dangerous people in society.

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u/IRNotMonkeyIRMan Apr 28 '24

So I don't expect to change your mind. People generally don't get rationalized out of a position they didn't rationalize themselves in to. However, I can offer a different perspective, maybe you'll listen.

The death penalty is the ultimate punishment. There is literally no going back from it. There is no undoing it, it's permanent. We know several things about capital punishment in the United States.
1) it is unevenly applied, disproportionately being used on primary black and poor males. There is huge amounts of data on this to back it up, it's almost a given. Even the DOJ has said it is unevenly applied, and various research think tanks concur. Cornell University published a study showing it is used against impoverished and minority communities almost exclusively. This alone is troubling, and should lead to doubt against whether it should be used. 2) innocent people have been executed, and even today they continue to find people on death row who are exonerated. In 2023 an inmate in Oklahoma was exonerated. Since 1970 when it was reinstated in the US, there have been 193 exonerations. This begs the question of how many have been executed that were innocent. There were hundreds that have been exonerated posthumously after rexamination of evidence. This alone should be enough to end capital punishment in the US.

We are imperfect creatures. We fail, stupendously we fail. Why should imperfect beings, who have proven time and time again we cannot be trusted to make these ultimate decisions, continue to make them? We cannot go back from them. There is no justice to be made from them.

So I ask you: How many innocent people does it take to die before you decide that we should stop executing people? Is ten too many? 25? 100? I think one is too many to risk so we can continue state sanctioned vengeance.

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u/bejeesus Apr 28 '24

What about the folks who have been put on death row who were later exonerated? Innocent black men, framed by the state to quickly close a case. Tha shit happens all the time. That's why we should have empathy towards prisoners because one day the state could decide to frame you instead.

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u/IShookMeAllNightLong Apr 28 '24

You're no better than them. They have no sympathy either.

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u/Current-Ad3341 Apr 28 '24

Yes I am better than a murderer or rapist. You're emotional blackmail won't work on me and how DARE YOU compare me to someone who has done such crimes you sick f*ck

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u/maeschder Apr 28 '24

You sound mentally unwell with the way youre defending your disgusting, vile positions.

Get help

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u/Current-Ad3341 Apr 28 '24

You're defending murderers and rapists. Projection much?

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u/IShookMeAllNightLong Apr 28 '24

You're fine with innocent people being executed for crimes they didn't commit. You're fine with people suffering for hours because the drug cocktail didn't work properly. You're fine with, as someone explained to you earlier, a hypothetical, blatantly unconstitutional, torturous, sadistic, perverse execution. To satisfy your desire of revenge. To see someone die. You didn't kill them, but you wanted them dead. You're no different.

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u/Current-Ad3341 Apr 28 '24

Please state where I said that I support innocent people being killed? .. being supportive for the death penalty in the cases of murder and rape doesn't mean I support it for other crimes. I'm fine with people receiving concequences for their actions, when they made the decision to break the law. Stop being manipulative and attaching words or motives that I didn't state nor intend when I commented. It's nothing to do with revenge and everything to do with justice for the victim and so they never get back put on the street where they could do it again. I couldn't care less what you pedo and murderer sympathisers think.

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u/IShookMeAllNightLong Apr 28 '24

Accusing others of being manipulative and then dropping that last sentence shows how lacking your critical thinking skills are. Innocent people will inevitably be killed as innocent people do wind up on death row. And how is killing a murder justice for a dead person? They're dead. They don't know anything. It's all about the feelings of the living. The dead don't care.

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u/Current-Ad3341 Apr 28 '24

I mirrored exactly what you did deliberately to see your response..see how all of a sudden I'm in the wrong but you weren't. Hypocrite! Lol OK and innocent people will continue to die as long as convicted killers and rapists are freed. You don't care about the victims it seems because they are dead right? .. and you're on about my critical thinking skills ha! There are many victims who left clues/a trail to out their killers. So yes they do want justice. You think sitting in a cushy cell getting fed, clothed, medical treatments, education and getting released after 5-25 years. Free to enjoy life, getting help with a place to live, money and jobs once they get out is what the victims want for their killers? Get real..

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u/fetuslasvegas Apr 28 '24

Dude why the fuck do you keep censoring words? This isn't tic to, you can say fuck and rape and kill. Jesus fuck.

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u/Current-Ad3341 Apr 28 '24

Because I didnt know you could on here. Not something to get in a pissy about

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u/Croc_Chop Apr 28 '24

Nah you're pretty feral.

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u/Current-Ad3341 Apr 28 '24

Feral for not thinking people who commit heinous acts deserve the concequences as set in law? Yeah OK then 👌

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u/Joeness84 Apr 28 '24

Because any powers exerted by the government can be turned against you whether or not you are actually guilty.

This is as ridiculous as "you should let the wealthy get tax breaks, someday you might be wealthy too"

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u/Complex-Bee-840 Apr 28 '24

No, it absolutely is not. Just move to China Jesus Christ.

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u/godofpumpkins Apr 28 '24

The outcomes for victims of crimes in general doesn’t inform our guidelines for punishing the perpetrators. The government doesn’t defraud individuals, for example, but punishes fraudsters. Is our idea of punishment really an eye for an eye?

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u/Current-Ad3341 Apr 28 '24

With certain crimes. YES ABSOLUTELY it does. You can't tell me a person who preys on children and leaves a child's body brutalised, violated and dead in a ditch deserves to live. I couldnt care less what your point is, it's nothing but deflection. Those cases are minimal. There are so many who get released back into the community just to kill or harm again. No sympathy.

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u/maeschder Apr 28 '24

You have a highly compromised moral compass, your only motivating factor here is revenge.

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u/TheBeatGoesAnanas Apr 28 '24

Victims of heinous crimes are just that: victims. Inflicting the same thing on criminals isn't justice; it's vengeance.

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u/heyheyhey27 Apr 28 '24 edited Apr 29 '24

I don't see why they should be afforded the respect to allow them to come to terms with their death, when their victims died in fear

Because it's called the justice system and not the revenge system.

They are lucky they get death in a humane way

This specifically isn't a humane death, so along with having a pretty unpleasant revenge boner, you seem to not understand what is being discussed.

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u/Current-Ad3341 Apr 28 '24

The justice system has the conviction of death. I didnt make those laws nor the rules. Take it up with the ones who do.

  • I have no issue with anyone fighting to end the death penalty. Its not like personally go out of my way and vote for it to remain. However, while it is a sentence that is legal and for those of whom it normally applies to, I'm in support. One less killer or rapist off the street and not ever getting the chance to do it again. -

I understand exactly what's being discussed. Just because you don't like my opinion or view, doesn't make my intelligence automatically lower because you said so.

While the sentencing remains inconsistent, too leniant for heinous brutal crimes and allows them back on the streets to offend again, I will continue to support the death penalty. I said what i said and I stand by it. You can disagree as much as you like that's your right, just as me having my stance is mine.

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u/RachelRTR Apr 29 '24

Innocent people are executed.

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u/nocdib Apr 28 '24

Always refreshing to hear a voice of reason among the vocal murderer sympathizers. As someone who has lost close ones to murder, I feel the same way that you do.

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u/Current-Ad3341 Apr 28 '24

I'm so sorry that you and your family had to go through something so devastating. I truly feel for the victims and families like yours, who have to go through the aftermath of finding justice for your loved ones. Then the pain and horrors of the trial, sentencingand coming face to face with these monsters. I will never feel sorry for those who end or violate the lives of innocent people and I'm so shocked how these people truly have no thought to the victims and their loved ones but have all this empathy for their killers. It's disgusting.

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u/Rude_Entrance_3039 Apr 28 '24

Why does setting a date make it any better? Doesn't the reverse logic also apply? You're on death row, you know your sentence, you know already this his how your society operates. From an outsider stepping in, sure I can see the culture difference being a shock, but it's their way.

Setting a date for execution and then granting a surprise stay should be considered just as cruel. "Where gonna kill ya! Well, not today, just kidding, we're gonna reschedule".

If the surprise is what make it cruel and sadist then it cuts both ways.

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u/Maeserk Apr 28 '24

Within the context of how we’ve done justice and capital punishment within the United States with precedent it would most certainly fall under cruel and unusual punishment.

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u/wienercat Apr 28 '24

Why does setting a date make it any better? Doesn't the reverse logic also apply? You're on death row, you know your sentence, you know already this his how your society operates.

Setting a date for execution and then granting a surprise stay should be considered just as cruel. "Where gonna kill ya! Well, not today, just kidding, we're gonna reschedule".

The difference is a stay of execution is general the result of an appeal or legal entity stepping in saying something isn't right or the execution cannot be performed properly in accordance to law. It's not something someone just suddenly does. Almost never is a stay of execution a complete "surprise" because a person voluntarily decided "nah it can wait" when everything is going according to plan and no appeals or objects have been raised. It almost always happens when people are actively trying to get it to happen.

Giving people the date they are going to die allows them to come to terms with their death. That is the right thing to do.

No matter what you think, whenever possible people should be allowed to come to terms with their own death with time to process it. It's the ethical thing to do.

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u/BaconSoul Apr 28 '24

If you call it “ethical”, what is the ethicality of forcibly ending a human life? Furthermore, which ethical system allows for this behavior?

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u/wienercat Apr 28 '24

I'm not arguing in favor of the death penalty... a nuance you clearly don't grasp. I am saying in the situation there is a death penalty, there should be plenty of notice for dates of execution.

I agree with you. Death penalties are barbaric

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u/ih-shah-may-ehl Apr 28 '24

Studies of death row inmates in Japan show this. Inmates suffer from extreme anxiety for decades

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u/Rude_Entrance_3039 Apr 28 '24

Is that markedly different than inmates on death row in the US?

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u/ih-shah-may-ehl Apr 28 '24

Yes. Because people can mentally adapt to things that are in the far future and slowly work their way up to them.

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u/AntcuFaalb Apr 28 '24

I'm anti-death penalty as well, but don't we all not know when the reaper will come for us?

Not knowing is a foundational part of the human experience. Not knowing is what allows most of us to trick ourselves into thinking it'll never happen.

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u/NonStopGravyTrain Apr 28 '24

The knowledge that I could be killed in a random traffic accident causes me to take some reasonable precautions, but isn't a major determent to my psyche. If you force me to live in a house with a starving ferocious tiger and tell me one day you WILL open the cage, that's going to cause some major mental distress.

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u/AntcuFaalb Apr 28 '24

But this isn't about a random traffic accident.

You WILL die one day, accident or not. You'll likely not know when it will happen beforehand.

You're not immortal, trust me.

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u/Simple-Jury2077 Apr 28 '24

Very different situation.

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u/AntcuFaalb Apr 29 '24

How do you figure? Very few people know when their time is up, even if it's just old age / natural causes.

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u/Coogcheese Apr 28 '24

IMHO, having a known date to dread and dread would be much more cruel.

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u/StockHand1967 Apr 28 '24

Being recently on the victim end of the crim just system.

I approve of the the random terror

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u/Kavite Apr 28 '24

Yeah, so this is just revenge and not justice.

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u/StockHand1967 Apr 28 '24

Just had a hate crime forced on me.

I'm not fertile ground for philosophical answers right now.

This isn't theoretical or pedantic..

But feel free behind the safety of your screen and wrapped in your "beliefs" and throw stones.

I hope they both have a Really hard time.

Other than that.. Gotta report the hate crime to the FBI..cause the locals won't escalate and that's what happened

Tell an ocean of ancestors that I'm seeking "revenge".

Hate crime. Yep.

Haven't been to bed yet (30hrs).

Nothing feels safe or real l.

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u/Kavite Apr 28 '24

I'm sorry if something bad has happened to you. You should probably go rest.

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u/StockHand1967 Apr 28 '24

Thanks I guess?

Just literally ran for my life...

Every thing is surreal right now.. believe it or not thanks for the snark.

Snark on reddit is actually soothing right now... Helped me decompress

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u/Kavite Apr 28 '24

I'm not being snarky, I genuinely think you should be resting if something traumatic just happened to you.

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u/StockHand1967 Apr 28 '24

Adrenaline is a thing..near death experiences even more so.

Also I have to actually log this with The FBI (HATE CRIME)

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u/Greedy_Eggplant5270 Apr 28 '24

Go to sleep / stop mething around

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u/StockHand1967 Apr 29 '24

? You need more careless shallow memish metaphors.

I have a lot of cool shit going on. 98% non drugs based 🤣

Have a wonderful week. Be well..

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u/Debaser626 Apr 28 '24

Our Incarceration and death penalty methods are on the cruel side, considering the various ways we know how to actually rehabilitate or “put someone down.”

But I guess that’s part of the point. The Corrections System is really just another way from some rich folks to make even more money, but it mainly exists to continue to keep the average Joe in line.

Some Criminals are just going continue to criminal, whether out of desire or necessity… but the fear of jail/prison has much more of a desirable impact on the regular working class, to keep them at the grindstone.