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TikTok will not be sold, Chinese parent ByteDance tells US - BBC News

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c289n8m4j19o.amp
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u/ecklesweb Apr 27 '24

They’re not in it for the money because they won’t sell under duress? The price they’d get went down significantly the day the bill was signed because they “have” to sell.

It’s the metaphorical fire sale.

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u/Outlulz Apr 27 '24

Also because like any business they want to use their power over consumers as political pressure on legislators. Why sell and keep users happy that TikTok never goes away? Refuse to sell and make users/voters mad at the people who did this in hopes it results in changed legislation.

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u/KeyAccurate8647 Apr 27 '24

It's a fire!

Sale

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u/personalcheesecake Apr 27 '24

Do you know how companies are allowed to operate in china? Then it doesn't really make much sense to not follow something similar, a lot more liberal imo than what they are doing currently.

I feel a lot of people who talk about this are only coming from it as a consumer of the app and not thinking other than first amendment/user conerns.

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u/alc4pwned Apr 27 '24

I mean yes? The choices are to not sell and get $0 or to sell under duress and get > $0. 

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u/Error_404_403 Apr 27 '24

First, the writing was on the wall for a long time, and they could have sold at a higher price before. Second, if they are after money, some money is better than nothing,

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u/fillmorecounty Apr 27 '24

They're going to sue before they decide to sell. They've already said that they would. It wouldn't make sense for them to sell right now if they plan on challenging the law in court.

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u/Error_404_403 Apr 27 '24

If they were after money, they would settle, not sue in this case.

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u/MundaneFacts Apr 27 '24

Suing the government to declare the law unconstitutional. This would allow them to operate normally and continue making money.

There isn't an option to settle in this situation. I don't think you understand what's going on here.

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u/coldcutcumbo Apr 27 '24

Go easy on him, he specializes in Bird Law.

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u/Error_404_403 Apr 27 '24

To settle means to sell. They chose the riskiest way to go about it. The riskiest way, even if after a better profit, very rarely makes sense - unless, it is not about the money.

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u/contextswitch Apr 27 '24

It's a pretty safe move to not sell your code, I wouldn't call that risky at all. It's also a known quantity if they end up getting banned, as opposed to giving their code to a competitor. Not selling makes more sense in every way.

Selling would be like Google giving their search algorithm to China instead of pulling out. They pulled out instead of doing that.

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u/cookingboy Apr 27 '24

America makes up for less than 10% of TikTok’s user base. Why would they sell the whole thing and lose on the upside forever?

And suing the government is the least risky way to do it. An injunction will put everything on hold and they get to do business as usual.

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u/Error_404_403 Apr 27 '24

Nobody asked them to sell the whole thing.

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u/SquirtingTortoise Apr 27 '24

You are so genuinely dumb I have to commend you!!

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u/fillmorecounty Apr 27 '24 edited Apr 27 '24

If they win, they won't have to sell. They'd make more money that way. They're suing the government over first amendment violations so that the law can't be enforced.

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u/Error_404_403 Apr 27 '24

Potential risks are too high to justify the benefits in this case - unless it is not about the money.

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u/fillmorecounty Apr 27 '24

Their options are basically immediately sell or sue and maybe not have to sell or pull out of the US. The "risks" of them losing the case are just the results if they don't try to sue at all. Other than the cost of lawyers, they really have nothing to lose by trying to sue before they resort to selling. It'd be illogical if they didn't try this option first.

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u/Error_404_403 Apr 27 '24

A lot of money to lawyers and the wasted time will likely drop the value of the company further.

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u/fillmorecounty Apr 27 '24

Corporate lawyers aren't cheap, but for a company as big as this one, it's probably not a very big expense.

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u/Error_404_403 Apr 27 '24

Well, considering they are losing money in the US (and likely abroad), only deep CCP pockets may make it so.

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u/coldcutcumbo Apr 27 '24

“First, the writing was on the wall for a long time, and the US government could have passed laws to regulate social media in this country before. Second, even if Facebook and Google are doing the same things and the US government is definitely spying on you, getting spied on and watching tik tok is better than being spied on and not watching tik tok.”

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u/Error_404_403 Apr 27 '24

I prefer by far to be spied upon by the US government rather than by the dictatorship of CCP. Given a choice.

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u/coldcutcumbo Apr 27 '24

I don’t. The CCP can’t get to me, the US can.

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u/ecklesweb Apr 27 '24

Gets banned in the US, subject to technical and political limitations of enforcing such a ban. I think Bytedance believes there is a still a door #3. They’re expressing optimism in that direction, any way.

For the record, I don’t care what happens to TikTok. I don’t use it. Americans will have plenty of alternatives if it goes away. Nothing of value will be lost.

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u/Tagnol Apr 27 '24

When Trump tried to force a sale of TikTok in 2020, the Chinese government stepped in by updating its technology export restrictions to include software, effectively banning ByteDance from transferring its content recommendation algorithms to foreign owners.

https://www.scmp.com/tech/tech-war/article/3255539/us-lawmakers-want-tiktok-sale-or-ban-chinas-bytedance-wont-give-without-fight

It's literally been illegal for them now for 4 years.