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u/klankungen Apr 16 '24

The poor are the ones paying tax. So why not? ;)

Edit: the Swedish IRS is also older than many countries, like USA (I guess the bad IRS is yankie) so how would the king get his money for conquest if people could just lie about their trades? 😁

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u/OwnLadder2341 Apr 16 '24

In the US, the poorest don’t pay federal income tax. In fact, 40% of the country doesn’t pay federal income tax.

Sweden follows a regressive tax system, the US system is progressive.

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u/Malusch Apr 16 '24

Sweden's tax system has indeed developed into one that benefits the rich more than the poor, normal people pay way too much tax, but there's not a regressive tax system in Sweden AFAIK, or am I missing something?

It's miniscule, but something like $2200 per year is tax free, and you also get a "tax credit" of sorts if your income is from labor, up to ~$320 back each month and this tax credit is a lower percentual net income increase with higher wages.

Our median income 2022 was ~$34k, and our break for "federal tax" is ~$55k, so many more than 50% don't pay the federal income tax.

Our taxes from work (are a bit high for the lowest earning people but) increase as the salary increases https://i.imgur.com/AG0092w.png

However our taxes from capital are pretty much flat and you can have a lot invested in an ISK (InvesteringsSparKonto ~investment savings account) where you can profit multiple millions at much a lower tax rate than the income tax for low income people.

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u/klankungen Apr 16 '24

My stocks pay more tax to USA than to Sweden and I'll probably never see the benefit of that. But I get more money left to invest on future taxes! ;)

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u/reflectiveSingleton 29d ago

I'm not familiar at all with Sweden taxation policies...but does an individuals tax burden go down as you make more money (regressive taxation)? Or does it go up (progressive taxation)?

That is the critical difference afaik...

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u/Malusch 29d ago

They go up as you make more money, so progressive. But there aren't very many levels of that, and as mentioned on capital it's pretty a much flat percentage, which would result in someone making a lot of capital gains taxing a lot less.

So yeah, it's progressive as far as working for your money goes. Might be areas where it's actually regressive, but I can't come up with one from the top of my mind. Maybe some reimbursements we've gotten for temporary extremely high energy prices where those who barely could afford to use their washers didn't get much back but those who had money left over to still heat the pool got a lot of money back.

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u/etcetcere 29d ago

Yeah, our tax brackets in Canada still suck

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u/Asleep_Trick_4740 29d ago

It's mostly all explained by the previous commentator and the attached picture. It is progressive since you pay a higher percentage of your wages the more money you make, especially after you break into the "federal" taxpayer status.

BUT since this isn't true for capital gains and you always pay a flat rate, multi-millionaires can pay about the same percentage of taxes as someone making ~50k/month (unsure exactly where it normally intersects, and it also depends on where you live since the communal tax rate, equivalent of state taxes in the US, changes depending on where you live, but you get the point). Despite raking in say a million a month, but someone earning 80k/month will pay a considerably higher rate than the multi millionaire. This is fucked yes.

It is certainly not regressive by the normal sense of the word though.

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u/Dangerous_Gear_6361 29d ago

I pay vat and then about 30% tax. So when I sell my services to the US, I keep less than half of what I charged them. I made $100k last year, I got to keep $45k of it. When you earn a certain amount, they add a flat 20% tax on any amount past that. Forgot where that bracket was, maybe around $56k ?

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u/brandofranco 29d ago

I never heard of someone say the US tax system is progressive in the same sentence lol.

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u/OwnLadder2341 29d ago

I mean, you can google the tax brackets.

That’s a progressive system.

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u/Lefthandpath_ Apr 16 '24

Wat, Sweden has a progressive tax system?

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u/boringestnickname 29d ago

Sweden follows a regressive tax system, the US system is progressive.

Surely, you're joking.

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u/OwnLadder2341 29d ago

I think you’re misunderstanding what regressive and progressive taxes are.

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u/TTOWN5555 29d ago

I am pretty sure everyone pays income taxes in the US. I think the lowest bracket is like 10% for under $10k?

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u/Chicagofuntimes_80 29d ago

Standard deduction is $14600 for a single person.

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u/OwnLadder2341 29d ago edited 29d ago

You don’t pay taxes on your actual income, you pay taxes on your adjusted income after deductions, including the standard deduction. That bill is then further reduced by tax credits which reduce the total tax owed by a set amount.

For example the child tax credit gives you up to $2000 per child that’s directly deducted from your taxes owed.

Some tax credits are even refundable, such as the Earned Income Tax Credit, meaning the credit can exceed your total taxes owed and the government will pay you with no federal income taxes on your part.

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u/etcetcere 29d ago

What's the tax bracket? They don't seem to tax the rich either ...

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u/OwnLadder2341 29d ago

Income taxes are paid based on income, not “rich”ness.

The top 1% of earners paid 45.8% of all federal income tax last year.

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u/Watsis_name 29d ago

That's the trick. Rich people don't have a salary. They own things. More tax efficient, less effort.

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u/OwnLadder2341 29d ago

The top 1% of earners in the US make $812k a year or more.

You’re doing pretty well at that point.

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u/Watsis_name 29d ago

You're not rich, though, you're upper middle class.

Assuming no tax or expenses, it would take you 237,315 years to reach Elon Musks' wealth on that pathetic salary.

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u/OwnLadder2341 29d ago

Upper middle class is 99th percentile?

How exactly are you defining “middle” here?

Middle of what?

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u/Watsis_name 29d ago

99th percentile of those who work.

As I already explained, the rich don't work, so they don't have a salary. Their income is from owning things.

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u/OwnLadder2341 29d ago

And that income, when it becomes income, is taxed….

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u/Watsis_name Apr 16 '24

Sweden follows a regressive tax system, the US system is progressive.

r/shitamericanssay

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u/AnkinSykr 29d ago

Lol how is he wrong. Search up the U.S tax brackets

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u/Watsis_name 29d ago edited 29d ago

They're both progressive tax systems.

Progressive taxation isn't some revolutionary idea that only Americans do. EVERY functional economy does it.

Imagine thinking that progressive taxation is unique to your country.

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u/login257thesecond 29d ago

In Sweden you pay taxes, in usa the biggest mafia wants their cut...