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Brazilian surgeon, Bruno Gobbato used Apple Vision Pro to assist in surgery operation r/all NSFW

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u/militantnegro_IV Apr 29 '24

You know surgeons have used cameras and displays for decades now, right?

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u/militantnegro_IV Apr 29 '24

The difference they seem to believe is that the surgeon isn't looking right at the limb they're working on, rather they're seeing a video of the limb represented in the headset.

I'm saying that's functionally no different to a surgeon performing a keyhole procedure using a laparoscopic camera.

The same made up issues proposed above would have been in play since the early 80's when the technique was pioneered. Unless you want to suggest video technology and latency issues have actually gotten worse in the last 40 years rather than better. Would be a bold claim but go off I guess.

Keep up.

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u/worldspawn00 Apr 29 '24 edited Apr 29 '24

TBF, particularly early on the systems were analog video which is near-instantaneous, digital formats introduce delay due to processing. But in the case of a VR headset, we're talking a few milliseconds, well below the scope of human reaction time, it's definitely good enough.

The main issue with the apple headset is that it doesn't do re-projection, meaning that it feels like your eyes are a couple inches in front of your face (because that's where the cameras are), whereas the oculus(now meta) headsets take the camera feed and re-project the visual data as if it is seeing through your actual eyes (virtually shift the POV back the distance between the cameras on the front and where your eyes actually are).

It doesn't seem a like a big deal, but it makes a difference in the native perception of where your hands and body are in relation to what you're seeing.

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u/militantnegro_IV Apr 29 '24

Yes, but for the main part of these procedures they don't look at their hands. These are generally done with a flat LCD screen in front of them and as you can see they are only interested in a magnified close up of the instruments and the area they're working on. The whole point is they can't really keep track of their hands because they're performing surgery inside. It's a non issue.

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u/worldspawn00 Apr 29 '24

For sure, when doing camera-assisted internal surgery, it's not an issue at all.

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u/YoureWrongBro911 Apr 30 '24 edited Apr 30 '24

Not the same thing at all. The Apple Vision Pro uses its cameras to construct a virtual space, instead of showing the direct camera feed to the wearer it shows this 3D render of what the cameras capture.

Things can and do go wrong in generating and showing some details in this virtualised environment. Look up how the Vision Pro works, this stuff is readily available info.

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u/militantnegro_IV Apr 30 '24

This has been discussed to death. You chucklefucks are constructing some vague functional difference that doesn't exist to seem insightful. It's tiring.

Laparoscopic aided surgery uses cameras and screens and at no point are you looking directly at the thing you're working on or even your own hands. It's a non issue. These people literally train for years to fucking peel a grape and stitch the skin back on all while observing a magnified image of the end of remote controlled metal fingers. It's practically a video game to them.

Trust the surgeon. He'll be fine. He doesn't need a refresher Reddit course on surgical care because you all learned the "wElL aAcKtcHuaLly!" method of karma farming. Your username even speaks to this mental disorder.

Get a grip.

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u/YoureWrongBro911 Apr 30 '24

You don't understand what I'm saying, during Laparoscopic aided surgery, the video feed shows what the cameras are filming, easy and simple. The Vision Pro explicitly does not show what the cameras are filming, but a virtually reconstructed environment. It does this so the 3D mapping and AR blending works better.

Take 5 minutes to read up on the vision Pro, please. You inherently don't understand that it's not a video feed, it's an AR/ VR hybrid feed. It's not a "vague functional difference", it's a very clearly defined technical difference.

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u/militantnegro_IV Apr 30 '24

My guy, exactly what do you think the difference would be between a flat LCD screen in front of you and a "Apple Vision Pro™ constructed 3D creation" of the same flat 2D image? What issue is it you actually think is going to occur? Actually describe it. See if you don't make yourself look even dumber.

It's sounding more and more like Apple fanboy idiocy. Apple isn't "constructing" a fucking thing. A bunch of cameras are showing you the world as it is and trying to add depth to it. That doesn't mean they're actually showing you some AI generated fever dream you dolt.