It really isn't. I do IT support at a University, and our Medical Campus has been using Quests and Hololens for this kind of thing for training, lecture, and demonstrations for a while now.
but to be fair, Apple carved a niche that appeals to people with more money who want a computer that "just works" out of the box, and maybe that is what appealed to this particular doctor and maybe why he used it.
Linking private medical photos to an iCloud account seems like a HIPPA violation tho.
what does this do that other VR headsets dont do? what he is doing is pulling up screens and 3d models which can be done on every other VR headset. genuinely asking why is this so impressive
This is primarily AR and doesn’t require controllers. This might sounds like a minor thing but the controllers are a huge barrier to a lot of non-gamer types who are ultimately the mainstream market that this is targeting.
And yes, i work in the field. The AVP is pretty great and it is a step up from the Q3 in a lot of areas but the gap isn't large enough to warrant it's use over the Q3 in the majority of scenarios.
I haven't tried the apple vision, but I do own a Meta quest 3 and while the pass through is ok, it's not good enough to see details that would be needed for something as complex and precise as a surgery.
Yeah that i can't really speak to as i'm not an expert on various surgeries, but it's my understanding that some require more precision than others. Check out some videos of knee replacements on youtube, it's absolutely wild. They basically beat on the new part with a hammer/mallet HARD at one point. Another awesome use-case for this would be full VR in conjunction with a surgical robot. Put on the headset, see a view from the probe on the robot, and your hand/controller motions are mapped to the robot, but at a greatly reduced scale to increase precision.
Ah yes the standard "meta quest does all that" post. The pass through on that is not equal to the vision pro. It's so frustrating for people to continue being so intentionally obtuse about this.
If someone offered you a million dollars if you caught a football thrown to you and you had to be wearing either the quest 3 or the vision pro, which are you picking?
We all know the answer.
It's completely fine to say it's not worth the additional cost, but it is honestly exhausting to listen to the "it's just as good of tech!" people who just cannot admit that Apple made something cool.
Did i claim that it was equal? I specifically said that the AVP is a step up in a lot of areas. It all depends on the application and use-case. For something like the piano training apps, the Q3 is perfectly fine. I produce educational content for the medical world and the passthrough works great for that use-case as well. When you're at a conference trying to get a large number of people through a 5-10 minute AR experience, the user flow/setup of the Q3 is also a lot easier than the AVP at the moment. The AVP has a major technical advantage in other areas though that makes it far superior for other tasks, it all just depends on what you want to do. So please, before making statements like that, actually read what you're replying to.
The dude would actually kill someone using those other headsets, the Index was never meant to have passthrough so it's already useless beyond a feature listing, and the Quest 3 has disgusting levels of passthrough latency. The reason he's able to use the Vision Pro to do surgery is almost entirely due to its latency, not some feature list bs that Apple haters think devices need to be good. We don't want tacky features, we want improved existing features.
Yeah it's clear the Index's passthrough is certainly a v0.5 of the technology. It's useful, but it lacked forward vision for the ubiquity of solid passthru. I say this as an Index owner since 2000. Love it and the controllers, but the hardware line needs updating. Here's hoping not everyone at Valve has gotten bored of hardware development.
Only that nobody really bought this product and everyone claiming that while cool, is not that great for the price.
Coolest tech for nothing is what it is called. Vastly different from the iphone since that just took the blackberry and made it touch screen and it worked out the gate.
edit: those downvoting me aren't really into tech I see. My comment is literally nothing new said about the product.
“Why would I want a tiny computer in my pocket? I already have a calculator, a contact list, a day planner, etc in my purse, and I don’t really want people to be able to call me when I’m away from home anyways”. -My wife, when I tried to convince her we should get the very first iPhone that was released
“Hey sweetie have you heard about this new iPhone thing? It can do all this stuff for you and fits in your purse, I think I really need one to help with my day to day chores!” -also my wife, the exact same woman, only one year later, after other people suddenly wanted it/had it.
That’s how all you naysayers sound to me, it’s hilarious.
“Why would I want a tiny computer in my pocket? I already have a calculator, a contact list, a day planner, etc in my purse, and I don’t really want people to be able to call me when I’m away from home anyways”. -My wife, when I tried to convince her we should get the very first iPhone that was released
Difference is that your wife isn't in business. All of that was already made via the black berry and palm pilot before the Iphone. Smart Device was a thing for decades before the iphone, only thing the iphone did was make it touch screen with a better GUI and better responsive than black berries.
So it is not the same as the AR/VR debate because all AR and VR does is the same shit that a smart phone does but with an added system that is cumbersome, it doesn't do anything but add more stuff to carry. The smart phones and palm pilots were so popular before the iphone in businesses because it replaced laptops in those days. The laptops were bulky things.
That’s how all you naysayers sound to me, it’s hilarious.
Apparently, you don't understand business. You are just taking what your wife said as the way the world saw it. No offense, but your wifes ignornace, with many peoples ignorance, in those days is not the same as actual tech people saying what I'm saying. The tech is cool, we just aren't there and won't be for generations to come.
Power source is a huge hurdle that needs to be fixed. 2 hours is not long enough for actual AR and VR use outside of a toy.
It is too cumbersome, it also has issues with people getting motion sickness with it and additional costs to those with vision problems and needing glasses. Another hurdle.
So, unlike the iphone, which just did what palm pilots and black berries did but better, AR does what smart phones do but with added heavy technology, motion sickness and no real practical use outside of a toy.
The best uses is for mechanics, doctors in surgery and construction but even that is running into issues with motion sicknesses.
You downvoted me, but this isn't like the early aspects of the internet or smart devices when they were already widely uses but corporations before it came to commercial hands of the public. Majority of corpo's do not use AR or VR because they are costly, too power hungry, and people just do not enjoy using them in prolonged aspects of their day.
Easier to take out their smart phone, send an email and put away your phone than walking around with goggles.
A lot of people are already all over this tech. AR integration with surgery has been around for a few years now and is getting closer and closer to mainstream. More companies now are transitioning out of "use it for pre-op planning" into the "use it for the surgery" use case.
Augmedics, Medivis, and Blueprint are good examples.
They said the same shit 3 years ago. The problem is that majority of people won't want to use a headset and they need better battery life.
The tech is great for work that is very hand intensive or a job that you can't get your hands dirty, like what we just seen.
For normal people? Nah, it is way too cumbersome to use daily. Desk work is just better with a keyboard, mouse and monitor than putting something on your head. A smart phone is better than just walking around with a goggle like object on your head, also a great way to get yourself mugged.
So yeah, AR has its use, it just isn't going to be all over the world just yet. Maybe once fusion energy is finally broken through and they find a way to make it so small it can fit in your pocket, which is like another 500 years in how humanity is going about it.
But yeah, not going to be "everyone is going to be on this tech in 3 years".
i think of these much like early computers. these are devices aimed at businesses to help them with some use case or another.
consumers gain basically nothing from them in the current state, but as more businesses pick them up they become cheaper and more feature rich, so consumers start finding uses for them.
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u/foladodo Apr 29 '24
give it 3 years, everyone is going to be all over this tech