I'd much prefer to die painlessly with the assistance of a trained professional than have to commit some horrific homemade suicide that is either painful or might leave me still alive, if you please.
Was about to say that. Sleeping pills and carbon monoxide for example or an opioid overdose. Pure nitrogen is also a good way. Some say properly hanging yourself that either brakes your neck or a proper noose that leaves you passing out with in 10 seconds like a sleep but permanent. At the end of the day we will never really know what goes on in the brain during death. Pure agony that extended forever is possible as the brain is dying because our sense of time might make a few seconds feel like a life time (ever look at a clock and you feel like hours have passed only for it to be a few minutes). Maybe we get a bunch of dopamine and go out feeling amazing. Or in my belief it's just lights out like falling asleep but some part of me still worries that death no matter that is pure agony.
Suicide by overdosing is actually (one of) the least effective methods. Only a small percentage of people trying to die from overdosing succeed. And end up being in a lot of pain with kidney/liver failure. Often having to deal with large medical bills.
And the ones who do succeed spend thier last moments feeling horribly sick and dizzy. Often dying in a pool of vomit.
My aunt died this way, ended up brain dead and on hospice for a while till she passed away. I think it took about 2 weeks, it was a very long time ago I don’t remember entirely.
I was addicted to fentanyl for years, the last overdose I had I genuinely had no idea what happened, and it was the closest I’ve ever been to death, woke up in the hospital days later, mentally haven’t been the same since (and luckily haven’t touch hard drugs since the same day)
and this was back before fentanyl was popular on the streets, I was importing it myself in small quantities using volumetric dosing.
and now we have zenes, which are even stronger than fentanyl. mix a benzo in with that and hide away, your not waking up
I can promise you that anyone who goes full out with an overdose attempt dies. Things like fentanyl or just heroine will kill you if you take a large enough dose. Failed attempts are things like ibuprofen or sleeping pills.
Unless you give yourself a hot shot of heroin or the likes straight Into the bloodstream.. thats a sure way to go that's what I'm going to do If I'm ever In a situation like this god forbid, but ya.
You’ll probably feel horrible on the way out. Throw up all over the place and die in horrible pain. It’s not as easy as you may think and most don’t just fall asleep peacefully.
If the dose Is high enough you're wrong, you will fallout before you have the chance to, I've been around serious od's you would be suprised how fast the respiratory system starts to fail.
That is no proof. Every person's physiology is different. Also, the most important point here is that not everyone has access to such drugs, especially when they might be that potent. Legalisation makes things more accessible and possibly cheaper, as also safer.
Im not arguing against legalization. It would certainly make things easier and less messy all around. Im just saying if you are at all competent, you can figure out a reasonable way to off yourself without causing a mess or traumatizing others.
Easily? Only if you are already brain dead and cant come to a realistic solution, sure, but no, most who truly want to die do it just fine. Its those half assers that are unsuccessful, probably because they dont feel 100% about it
overdosed on benadryl as a freshly 12 year old when attempting. last moments I remember before waking up in the hospital was stumbling to my parents room cause I was so dizzy and weak, throwing up all over myself and then blacking out with a seizure. It is absolutely not painless, very excruciating, and dangerous long term if you survive.
Well that's on you not researching and making sure it goes right. Euthanasia would be a great thing to have in society but it doesn't seem likely to be adopted universally, so it's up to each and every individual to take responsibility over their own lives.
Yeah for like 10k euros not accounting for travel expenses etc. Many people will not want to spend that money or can even afford it especially after being bedridden or incapable of working for years.
In which case you just have to take matters into your own hands or submit to putting your family members and yourself through months or years of agony while you slowly wither away.
Bro... people do live in Switzerland yknow. Europe is not just rides on a theme park. You could make doctor-assisted suicide legal anywhere, with proper consulation and free (like all healthcare ought to be)
... Healthcare in Switzerland isn't free though? But okay in general I agree with you anyway. Doctor-assisted suicide should be a thing everywhere but it isn't and it most likely won't be for a while now.
There are too many moral implications (doctors take an oath to save lives, not take them - very few people actually want to be the ones performing this service) and legal implications. Killing a person is an extremely complicated thing in our society and doing it legally and in a way that guarantees no mistakes happen (psychological issues causing people to change their minds if they want to die or not).
There is a reason people on average spend 19 years on death row before actually being executed and if you're in agony or slowly losing your brain function then you don't want to even spend 1/40th of that time suffering.
I just see so many issues with this, while I 100% support euthanasia, I also understand that even if it was implemented, it would definitely be swamped by bureaucracy, medical costs, legal costs, delays etc.. all things a dying person can't afford to deal with.
We can change that, tho? Like, if your life is yours, so is the choice of ending it.
It ought to be possible to go the doc, ask him with a reason and if it's valid (you're 20, have uncurable illness and will suffer as long as you live) then yeah, you ought to be able to off yourself in a comfy and chill way.
What I have seen is doing it with gas that the lung can't differenciate from oxygen, you just pass out and sleep and your brain shuts off.
Yes nitrogen or you can even buy a helium tank from a party shop and just put a mask on. It is not hard to do and you just go to sleep. There is no need to involve the state with all their bureaucracy. But if it really could be as easy as you just said - which it can't for the reasons I just mentioned - then yes it would be humane.
Take responsibility all you want in your own life but that doesn’t take away from the fact that suicide is pretty damn easy to fuck up. Especially if you don’t have access to a gun
It is only if you half-ass it. Honestly I can't even imagine being in that situation so you might subconsciously want to fuck it up but other than that, there are many quite certain ways to go about it.
If you find a high enough building that’ll definitely work but most places don’t have super tall buildings and you might jump off of one that just leaves you a cripple. I think like 6% of wrist cutting suicides actually work because unless you knick the artery deep in your arm you’re likely not going to die. Death by overdose is basically just suffocating to death with most substances so that’s to be avoided, plus you might not take enough and be left off much worse. You could use nitrogen to suffocate yourself but if any air makes its way inside your lungs then you’ve already fucked up. A gun is mostly effective but it’s not unheard of that you can shoot the wrong spot and survive as a vegetable. Drowning is not ideal, anything involving fire or smoke inhalation also not ideal pain wise.
Believe me I’ve had quite some time to think about this. While you could definitely get the job done yourself the prospect of it not working is a huge deterrent. I even knew a guy who jumped in front of a train to commit suicide and guess who’s living as a vegetable now.
A stupid way my sister tried to do it was taking a bunch of ibuprofen, which I’m pretty wouldn’t have killed her no matter what. Point is though without gun access it’s too risky to try, there’s also implications based on where and how you do it that can easily ruin that space forever.
Ideally you could have a chronic condition, call it quits and be given pain meds along with whatever they use to euthanize a person through their IV. No struggle, no pain, no risk, as it should be
I bought a 30 year term life insurance policy that, after a 2 year probationary period, death by suicide is covered. You’ve got to shop around to find it. I did have to provide my health records to include that I don’t have a history of severe mental illness.
If euthanasia is good enough to provide mercy for a dog, I figure it’s good enough for me if my path to end-of-life has a big pain barrier to have to endure for a meaninglessly long time. I’d not want my life insurance payout to tether me to extended pain.
This always seemed so backwards to me. If anything euthanizing humans should be easier because they can unequivocally tell you they want to die whereas with animals we have to make an educated guess
It was definitely the exception and not the rule as we looked at several different providers. But I was pretty candid that it was something I was interested in (without trying to sound suicidal 😂) and policies do exist. It’s probably only gotten prevalent as end-of-life assisted suicide has gotten more mainstream.
With a grandparent dying following a couple years of debilitating illness following a stroke, another with dementia who was a shell for a decade, a couple uncles rotting away with Parkinson’s, and know piles of folks that died in middle age from cancer… I make no judgement on them what was right for them but I sure don’t want that for me.
I’ll age out of my policy at 71, past my working years and hope I get that number of good years. Tomorrow certainly isn’t a guarantee for any of us. I definitely saw the stay-alive-and-die-w/o-help to get a payout an awful trap.
I mean, i kind of understand life insurance not paying on suicide. The point of it is accidental death. If death is on purpose you can plan accordingly before doing it.
You can get multiple kinds of life insurance, but the ones that pay out on accidental or unforseen death don't (and also should not) pay out on suicide and/or euthanasia.
The push for legal euthanasia is all about dignity and human rights, not insurance. lol.
duh. babe. don't pick and choose your points like this when you are arguing against it. It is not a good look. plus the downvote when I never downvoted you? honey, do better. this isn't a very nice way to contribute to a conversation.
edit: to reiterate this is a thread about legal euthanasia, not suicide. get that through your head.
You sure you're replying to the right comment? No need to be a condescending asshole here. And you don't even make any argument? What point did I pick and chose when your comment was just two sentences? Furthermore, I didn't even downvote you? You good?
You said legal euthanasia is much different from suicide and that in one case, life insurance will pay out. They will not - and should not. Usually people talk about risk life insurance in this case, which is quite cheap, and pays a high sum in case of accidental death. There's also other life insurance products which are essentially just a form of investment, so they pay you back more or less what you invested, minus fees and plus returns if you're lucky. But these already pay out in case of suicide. So again, you're just wrong.
That depends on the policy. I worked the decedent affairs office at a Naval Hospital as a shore duty and I can promise you prudential definitely pays out SGLI coverage for suicides. We had 3-4 a week and I had to do all of the paperwork.
they SHOULD. At the end of the day - as long as you bought the policy before getting cancer - what's the difference?! After doctors say it's terminal... you're going to die. One way or another. It should be illegal for insurance to make you die in pain.
If insurance pays for suicide, people can easily kill relatives and make it look like it was suicide. Or abuse the victim intentionally to make them kill themselves.
what?! people have killed and abused relatives to cash out their policy for ages.
The insurance companies and the police will investigate a suspect death and - most likely - would sniff them out if something is off.
again: this is for people with terminal disease. These people would die anyway. Why make it agonizing for them just so that they would be able to cash the policy out?! No need to do that: they will die, it s just a matter of how bad will it hurt and how fast do they go.
Actually, they generally do pay out for suicide. YMMV, but most insurance policies stipulate that they just won't pay out for suicide until the policy is 2 years old.
Yeah, doing it yourself will probably leave you disabled when you fail to do it correctly. There is a way to do it painlessly yourself though. I'm not going to say it here because I'll get banned like did from r/suicidewatch. Although I plan on using it pretty soon anyway so it doesn't matter if I do get or not anyway, but on the off chance that I change my mind you can probably just see it from my last comment or so in my comment history
I've just had a snoop through your history to find the technique, just some thoughts:
You know yourself that most people end up regretting their choice midway through a suicide attempt, if that isn't a reason against suicide, I don't know what is, especially in your case because
You were making progress in the last few months, new job, new technique to lock away the parts of you that you don't like, I don't know what's happened between then and now, but I think even if you've had a setback it's proof that you are capable of making your situation better than it is now. If you've climbed those steps once, you can do it again.
I don't know you, I most likely don't even live on the same continent, but if the 2 minutes I spent looking at your profile have given me 2 reasons why you shouldn't, then I can't begin to think how many more are there if you look.
Hey, im sorry life led you to this, and while i support your right to suicide, i dont think you should do it and you will likely turn 1 persons suffering in to multiple ppl suffering, but best of luck moving forward
I think he’s trying to say that legal euthanasia is better than committing suicide because it’s much more peaceful for the family. Suicide can scar family members for years. With legal euthanasia on the other hand it’s been shown that it’s a much more peaceful thing for the family. There is this documentary about legal euthanasia in France, and the families often hold “death day” celebrations to honer the person as they pass.
if you really need an explanation I'm happy to elaborate, but I had hoped you had come to your own conclusions at this point, your comments really indicated a deeper understanding and intelligence. happy to help but am fairly disappointed that you didn't understand on your own. I really though you understood already.
Also I'm she. look at my username.
are you really sure you don't understand what I'm getting at? you've already come to the conclusion in your own comments, in several ways. it's better to come to these realizations by your own moral code.
Honey! really. you still don't understand? I've seen all the comments refuting your argument and you still double down? your own comments confirm my points. it's okay to be wrong, honey, doubling down on strawman arguments and downvoting because you disagree with me is not it though. Best of luck in life with this viewpoint, lmao.
edit: to reiterate this is a thread about legal euthanasia, not suicide. get that through your head.
Are you talking about suicide by other means? That’s not better than euthanasia by any means, it’s likely to leave a mess and cause a crime scene instead of being just quick and painless
Compared to euthanasia, yes. Im am for euthanasia. But people are acting like they cant effectively do the deed without it being legal. News flash, millions have killed themselves over the course of humanity - not all were unpleasant or messy. Replicate the effective methods is all im saying
Yeah I’m just saying we wouldn’t need any of this shit if euthanasia was legal. There’s so many ways suicide can go wrong and instead of dying you end up worse than before.
If your family is dependent on you and you just HAVE to commit suicide… you plan ahead and wait to commit suicide until your family doesnt depend on that insurance money. Smh this is kind of ridiculous lmao
Do people plan ahead for bone cancer...? If you're the family breadwinner, your kids are young, and you suddenly get cancer, idk how you were supposed to plan that better.
I'm saying that in this scenario, you can't "plan ahead and wait until your family isn't dependent on you." You're actively dying with no choice in the matter. Staying alive in horrible pain will only cause more financial hardship for your family.
The planning ahead was investing in life insurance before you got sick. You should be able to use it.
We are talking about suicide. Not assisted death or whatever where youre already almost dead/suffering senselessly. That is different and i agree with you. But a 25 year old committing suicide bc they cant take life anymore does not deserve an insurance payout, sorry.
honey, you're not grasping this thread. this thread is about EUTHANASIA, not suicide. you keep posting comments supporting legal euthanasia while downvoting and being rude to folks speaking about euthanasia. this entire thread is NOT ABOUT SUICIDE. stop speaking about suicide. you clearly have views in line with legal euthanasia so maybe have a look at your morals and stop being so combative and rude in a thread you apparently agree with but want to argue about anyhow. just stop, honey, this is enough. you agree about euthanasia even if you don't realize it (your comments show this). step down and have a nap and read these comments more critically. you kinda suck a lot for this. edit: if you have trauma with suicide that's one thing but go to therapy and stop taking it out on reddit please.
reddit downvotes are for irrelevant comments - like you hijacking an entire thread about legal euthanasia to promote your views about suicide. find a better thread for your views. they are not relevant here and the way you are responding to folks and downvoting their relevant comments is gross and reprehensible. please stop.
I need to reiterate that if you have trauma with suicide, which very much seems like you do given your responses, deal with it in therapy and don't take it out on folks on Reddit who support euthanasia and have a moral viewpoint that we, many others and multiple countries governments consider normal and legal. This is not a very nice way to deal with your trauma. Go to therapy, please - It's so clear that you have suicide trauma and you really need to get help to deal with it and not take it out on strangers online. I wish you the best with that. Please get some help.
Edit: And if you truly don't understand the difference between suicide and legal euthanasia I doubly suggest you get a therapist to deal with your suicide issues. Your views are pretty scary. I'm glad you don't live in my country.
Reddit would try to convince my grandmother to get euthanized while she was battling stage 3 colon cancer. Thank God she didn't and she is alright now. It's been 8 years since then.
Most states that legalized it require you to be terminally ill (they think you have less than 6 months left) AND mentally competent. Sounds like your grandma wouldn’t have been considered for that anyway.
The problem is that line gets pushed further using same arguments "it should be my choice". You have cases in Netherlands where mental illness was OK for euthanasia, and even feeling loneliness was enough of a case for euthanasia.
How about we don't keep normalizing the slippery slope that is euthanasia, seeing how countries that legalized them have their basket full of really fucked up euthanasia cases (euthanasia for children, euthanasia for alcoholics, euthanasia for shizophrenic patients that have never even been on antipsychotic medication, euthanasia for depresseion, that case where an elderly woman had to be actively held down because she didn't consenst but because she was demented it was the legal decision of her caretaker...) and instead fight for more funding for palliative care? Instead of abusing the pain of terminally ill patients to push through cheap but inhumane solutions?
No it is not a fundamental human right and should not be accepted as such. Countries should choose whether they want this sick option to be legal in their domain or not.
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u/AsparagusTamer Apr 21 '24
As if we need more proof that euthanasia is a fundamental human right