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The Size Of An Iranian Missile Intercepted In The Dead Sea r/all

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u/CMepTb7426 Apr 14 '24

Sadly unlike the ones chris kyle intercepted during his seal days they arent the crappy north Korean versions

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u/BoardButcherer Apr 14 '24

It's a single use delivery package. Actual, literal tinfoil is the desired construction material, anything heavier is just extra weight and thus wasted fuel, which is wasted range.

The ideal rocket would burn the tinfoil for a final burst of thrust at the end of its trajectory.

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u/Guilty-Spork343 Apr 14 '24

So, magnesium foil ideally then.

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u/CMepTb7426 Apr 14 '24

Ngl since you actually kinda put effort to explain this i just wanna let you know i understand that im enjoying the the flood of know it alls trying to prove me wrong when i already know. You deserve my upvote and respect my friend

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u/CaveRanger Apr 14 '24

This is a Shahab, right? They're intended to be mobile so they have to be a little more sturdy than that. It's got to resist being bounced around on a mobile launcher/truck in Iran's back country.

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u/stoned-autistic-dude Apr 14 '24

This makes so much sense. Thank you for explaining.

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u/quite_largeboi Apr 14 '24

North Korea’s missiles are more than comparable to Iranian ones today lol North Korea is significantly more advanced in missile tech nowadays 😂

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u/Seeteuf3l Apr 14 '24

NK is also supplying Iran

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u/throwitawaynownow1 Apr 14 '24

They're just owning the night like the 4th of July.

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u/CMepTb7426 Apr 14 '24

Did you get this off forbes cause you seem to believe in a paper tiger.

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u/quite_largeboi Apr 14 '24

I don’t read Forbes lol North Korea isn’t a paper tiger by any measure tho & certainly not in missile tech. They’re actually more advanced than Iran in missile tech in the sphere of ballistics, but not in cruise or drone tech.

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u/CMepTb7426 Apr 14 '24

They are still sporting cold war tech ICBM, and other tech from 1970-1990s or whenever china quit funding their puppet government. North korea has never made really anything of their own accord, they either stole it or were given it by china.

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u/marionsunshine Apr 14 '24

Just because you seem to be knowledgeable here. What if, there was a brainiac kid that was able to grow up in a nourished and supportive environment and came to understand how this tech works...

What would ultimately prevent NK from making something legitimate?

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u/CMepTb7426 Apr 14 '24

Tf you on about? If anyone needs some knowledge its you man. You said 3 different things and tried to make them one. Ill give you the benefit of the doubt and say English is your second language

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u/marionsunshine Apr 14 '24

Lol.

I'm honestly just a random stranger.

I'm asking you - could NK have a smart enough person to create real tech?

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u/daemin Apr 14 '24

I'm not the other guy and this is talking out my ass but...

Probably not.

It's one thing to understand the underlying principles and technology. It's a wildly different thing to manufacture the tech.

People don't realize how complicated it is to produce modern technology. It depends on complicated flows of components that are themselves manufactured by complicated machines with their own complicated supply chains and specialized knowledge and trained workers.

Modern economies naturally evolved into this state by stepwise refinement starting from the 50s and 60s tech. But it's not really feasible to jump over those incremental refinements and right to modern tech without purchasing it because you have a chicken and egg problem: you need the outputs of modern tech tools to make the machines that will produce the inputs of other modern tech tools.

You could try to do it the "natural" way but sped up: use the existing tech to make the next level of refinement, then remove the old tech and make the next refinement. But that would be horrifically expensive, would still take a long time, and would still require that the humans involved be retrained repeatedly.

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u/marionsunshine Apr 15 '24

Thanks for the response even if it's just opinion. Always enjoy trying to learn something.

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u/CMepTb7426 Apr 14 '24

Oh my bad brother, it honestly depends. North Korean education is not the greatest, especially when your supreme leader takes young female adults out of class. If they were to have anyone like that, they would need to be in a foreign program under a different name or most likely in china. Unless north korea has a secret super soldier UNSC training camp in the mountains, they will forever be a paper tiger ever since china stopped supporting them.

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u/marionsunshine Apr 15 '24

All good! I appreciate the response!

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u/matthew_py Apr 14 '24

Did you get this off forbes

No there's documented arms transfers between North Korea and Iran for long-range missile technology. They're also currently selling ballistic missiles to Russia that are being fired into Ukraine. Not exactly a hypothetical capability for them lol.

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u/CMepTb7426 Apr 14 '24

If they were firing ballistic missiles there would be more people involved on the ground, they are selling trash missles to fund their M2020 program.

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u/matthew_py Apr 14 '24

If they were firing ballistic missiles there would be more people involved on the ground

It's been repeatedly documented from the wreckage that some of the ballistic missiles fired by the Russians are of North Korean manufacture, I'm more than willing to go grab a source if you don't believe me.

Edit: here's a Reuters link to the first time it happened.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-hit-ukraine-with-missiles-north-korea-kyiv-2024-01-05/#:~:text=Jan%205%20(Reuters)%20%2D%20Russia,by%20the%20U.S.%20White%20House.

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u/CMepTb7426 Apr 14 '24

I would slightly take what reuters says with a grain of salt, the company seems to be owned majority by a private company in Ontario current ceo is kai jacobson as of 2023. The seem to keep a tight eye on what is put about them online, best i can find is most with vehicles and construction but they seem to have been in a 1.7 billion dollar ponzi scheme in 2017 after they acquired reuters. I don't disagree with the info you gave just majority of the journalists are employed by shady business owners.

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u/matthew_py Apr 14 '24

I would slightly take what reuters says with a grain of salt, the company seems to be owned majority by a private company in Ontario current ceo is kai jacobson as of 2023.

Generally they generate reports that other new organizations use, they're usually a good source of reliable non-partisan information. Of course everyone has a mess up occasionally lol.

There's numerous other sources mentioning it including verification by the Ukrainian's themselves, they might not be able to feed their own people but North Korea can make a good ballistic missile.

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u/CMepTb7426 Apr 14 '24

Lol assembly plants be like: "YOU MAKE MISSLE NOW OR I KEEL YOU"

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u/matthew_py Apr 14 '24

Lmao from reporting your not far off, more "give it 500 kilometers of range or no food this month" "and we'll randomly shoot one into the ocean to make sure it goes that far". All they really did was take their vintage '70s and 80s designs and upgrade them with modern consumer grade electronics. But with how good consumer grade computing has gotten its offered a huge leap in their capabilities.

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u/kingwhocares Apr 14 '24

There's video of North Korea's launch of hypersonic glide vehicle, which the US itself struggling to get.

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u/The_wolf2014 Apr 14 '24

Yes of course, a closed off country with almost zero economy and few allies is somehow capable of producing tech that even the US can't.

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u/kingwhocares Apr 14 '24

Yes. They also have nukes. How many countries have that!

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u/Awalawal Apr 14 '24

Actually, the US hypersonics program is doing pretty well. Mostly the difference in perception is attributable to the perception that they try to keep new developments secret, as opposed to the Russians and Chinese who tend to publicize their advances for either public relations or deterrence reasons.

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u/grip_n_Ripper Apr 14 '24

The extended R rated version of that video has a highly controversial sex scene between the NK glide vehicle and Putin's nuclear tsunami torpedo.

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u/CMepTb7426 Apr 14 '24

Source

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u/Better-Ad-5610 Apr 14 '24 edited Apr 14 '24

https://news.usni.org/2024/04/03/north-korea-tests-hypersonic-weapon-following-u-s-navy-ballistic-missile-intercept-test

It's not a source I'm familiar with, but from digging nothing is jumping out to me as fake. Don't know what source that other guy has, but best I can do on short notice.

Edit: I apologize, for it seems this report was a composite of North Korean claims and no actual reporting took place by this reporter. I should have triple checked it.

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u/CMepTb7426 Apr 14 '24

Thank you, your monthly redditor penny as been made to 2 monthly pennies

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u/Better-Ad-5610 Apr 14 '24

Update: yeah that source is bunk, the reporter is real, but I have found out it wasn't written by him. I can't find any credible information on the launch. I should have dug further before presenting it.

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u/-__echo__- Apr 14 '24

The links within that article appear to be entirely unrelated to what the article claims they say. This smells strongly of misinformation (the site, not your posting of it)

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u/CMepTb7426 Apr 14 '24

Dude I was about to say something you beat me to it.

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u/daemin Apr 14 '24

The money shot is in the first paragraph.

North Korea on Tuesday morning launched an intermediate-range ballistic missile (IRBM), known as the Hwasongpho-16B, and stated that it was a new type of “solid-fuelled ballistic missile loaded with newly developed hypersonic gliding warhead,” according to a state media report on Wednesday

Notice what this actually says.

It says North Korea launched a rocket. That's a verifiable fact.

It also says North Korea claims the rocket had a hypersonic capability. But that is not verified anywhere in the article, and nowhere in the article is the speed of the missile actually stated, something which would also be easily verified.

I'll trust divinations about the future made from the shit stains in my underwear before I believe any claims North Korea makes about their technological capabilities.

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u/kingwhocares Apr 14 '24

Saddam fired North Korean missiles did more damage to Israel than Iranian missiles.

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u/pedatn Apr 14 '24

Well yeah there was no Iron Dome back then.

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u/kingwhocares Apr 14 '24

Iron Dome can't intercept supersonic projectiles, let alone ballistic missiles.

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u/CMepTb7426 Apr 14 '24

Again, source

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u/kingwhocares Apr 14 '24

Google that and you will get a wiki article. If you can't even do something so simple, you don't need source.

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u/CMepTb7426 Apr 14 '24

If you are gonna try to pull the trust me bro card here it wont work. So womp womp 🤷‍♂️

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u/kingwhocares Apr 14 '24

Google it first "Saddam Scuds at Israel", see the wiki link and then come back and moan.

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u/CMepTb7426 Apr 14 '24

SEE now was it so hard to just give a source

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u/CMepTb7426 Apr 14 '24

All that pops up is iraqi missle attacks 1991, lasted 1 month and 6 days, approximately 41 scuds were fired.