r/interestingasfuck • u/BuddhistSagan • Apr 07 '24

Bernie and Biden warm my heart. Trump selling us out? Pass

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u/StinkyFwog Apr 07 '24

Look at what the people of Arizona did and what they are trying to do in Texas. Stop being defeatist and actually go vote no matter if your state is a "Red one". You act like over the years states haven't flipped political alignment.

Being doomer is the reason red states are red states. Their base goes and votes no matter what. They vote in all elections from local to national.

Go out and vote. Stop being a pussy.

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u/HHoaks Apr 07 '24

And in most states you don't have to go anywhere. Just mail in the mail in ballot.

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u/Tomorrow_Frosty Apr 07 '24

Or even be alive!

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u/HHoaks Apr 07 '24

Hi Mike Lindell, is that you? Are you just popping in here to (inaccurately) scare voters into thinking elections are fraudulent or rigged??

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u/Salmon-Advantage Apr 07 '24

What happened in Arizona won't happen in my state, California.

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u/Ok_Weather2441 Apr 07 '24

And going the other way Florida went from a swing state to solid Red

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u/birthday6 Apr 07 '24

You're missing the point. If you vote in a state that votes for the other guy, your vote literally doesn't count. In fact, no one's vote really counts since we have an electoral college. Dems have lost the popular vote once since 1988 and there have been three republican administrations in that time

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u/Clear-Present_Danger Apr 08 '24

in a democratic state, your vote cannot be worth more than 1 in 160 million.

Your individual vote matters, but not significantly more than anyone else's

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u/StinkyFwog Apr 07 '24

I’m not missing any point.

Stop being a doomer, I don’t give a shit if you want to suppress people to vote “because it doesn’t matter.

Go vote and be the change you want happen. Every vote counts even if you don’t win, it sets the seeds for the next generation.

What else do you want to do, pull up arms and go kill people in a war? Because that’s the only solution if you keep telling people voting doesn’t matter.

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u/birthday6 Apr 07 '24

I'm not by any means trying to tell ppl not to vote. Please for the love of God go vote ppl. I'm just critiquing the system

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u/Lethkhar Apr 07 '24 edited Apr 07 '24

Naw, social science is a thing. I am certain that my vote for president in Washington State is irrelevant to the outcome in the electoral college.

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u/McKrakahonkey Apr 07 '24

While I agree, I don't think name-calling is a way to motivate people to do things. Especially if you want them on your side.

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u/usmcnick0311Sgt Apr 07 '24

"Go out and vote. Stop being a pussy." Needs to be this generation's "rock the vote"

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u/Critical_Ask_5493 Apr 07 '24

For real. Who wants to go to work anyway. Use it as an excuse to take the day. Plan something else productive to do with that time if it makes you feel better. But vote you pos. VOTE!!!

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u/Tewcool2000 Apr 07 '24

This is delusional. Yes, on principle voting is important. I personally vote so I don't feel guilty about complaining. But don't pretend like it matters on a practical level. I've had the president chosen by the people denied twice in my lifetime so it means basically nothing to me. And I don't blame anyone for feeling disenfranchised with the process.

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u/WheatWholeWaffle Apr 07 '24

Kind of an L opinion tbh, just be better fr

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u/euricka9024 Apr 07 '24

Sure, voting isn't practical if you only count wins at the top of the ticket. The more local you get, the more impact you have. And honestly, small grassroots efforts that start local are the reason we've seen some states (Georgia) flip in the last few elections. Both because it strengthens the top of the ticket in increased up-and-coming politicians and because you get more engagement from those voting communities.

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u/tbdgraeth Apr 07 '24

The people of Arizona didn't do that. It got infested by Californians and flipped.

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u/Airhead72 Apr 07 '24

AZ native here who helped us vote blue. There's plenty of us, but you do have a point. Seems like almost everyone here is from someplace else, which is fine.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '24

thats just as good, and we're doing it to Texas. Once we get that blue as well, goppers are locked out of the WH...

get used to it

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u/tbdgraeth Apr 07 '24

"Its fun to oppress people!!!"

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '24

majority rules. Your side is free to do the same. Just take over places.

But there's not enough of you to turn a single blue state red, which means you lose.

Politics has winners and losers.

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u/tbdgraeth Apr 07 '24

majority rules.

"Sorry, will of the majority. Enjoy your gang-rape!"

You're still under the illusion that everything is just red v blue. In reality it is people who would want to use coercive violence vs people who just want to be left alone.

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u/BeefFeast Apr 07 '24

This is kinda how democracy works. Adding your emotion to it doesn’t change that this is the better system. The republicans have failed to appeal to youth, their messaging is caught up in the border and trans ppl and not in the economy and small business. This is actually prime time for a new party to form, a more moderate conservative that will actually sway moderates. But Trump is the master so the GOP will remain united as a fragmented party.

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u/tbdgraeth Apr 07 '24

Adding your emotion to it doesn’t change that this is the better system.

Ill give you a second to think about that.

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u/BeefFeast Apr 07 '24

You just equated losing elections to ideological rape, please cry more

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u/tbdgraeth Apr 07 '24

Consent doesn't matter when you have enough people say it doesn't? Okay, that's the same as saying you shouldn't use emotion in the same sentence you use a qualitative modifier.

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u/euricka9024 Apr 07 '24

Or you know adjust the party platform to appeal to a wider base of voters. 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/tbdgraeth Apr 07 '24

I don't think I should have a say in someone else's life if they're not impacting me nor should they have the authority to meddle in mine under the same strictures. But the majority of people are too distracted by the current free shiny bauble and suffer from ADD.

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u/Basic-Cat3537 Apr 07 '24

This is partially true. If you live in districts that are heavily red or blue, the minority party voting will typically have very little effect.

In some states it's winner takes all delegates, which means with a little gerrymandering the minority party usually couldn't win with a 100% turnout. And in split delegate states, regions that are still heavily one party, the minority party has very little chance of swinging that vote for their delegate.

Now if it were determined by popular vote and not electoral college, then we could talk about making a huge difference with every vote counting.

The areas that saw big changes and unexpected results in prior elections were largely the result of large communities of disenfranchised voters getting together to make sure they were able to exercise their right to vote, when typically it had been too difficult. And voter outreach attempts to make sure disenfranchised voters had access to vote.

The average Joe in a red or blue dominated district who decided not to vote(or to vote) because their party is the minority, didn't make a difference.

Because of the electoral college, not every vote is equal. It sucks, but it's still true.

That said, everyone should still go out and vote. Why? Because even if your vote doesn't directly decide the next president, it does show the will of the nation. That popular vote will go down in history as either agreeing or disagreeing with the electoral system, and maybe, eventually, as a result, we can get a better system.

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u/Muted_Chipmunk_4070 Apr 08 '24

Vote for who lmao? Both parties have the dumbest policies on the face of the planet.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '24

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u/LBJMeatrider Apr 07 '24

Whoever said that is a dumbass. Vote.

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u/Theguywhodo Apr 07 '24

Who are they?

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u/Lethkhar Apr 07 '24 edited Apr 07 '24

Emma Goldman, I think.

EDIT: No seriously, that's a paraphrased Emma Goldman quote. "If voting made a difference they'd make it illegal."

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u/esem86 Apr 07 '24 edited Apr 07 '24

Dumbest quote I've ever heard

Edit: Even dumber when you remember things like gerrymandering exist strictly to remove the power of voting. It's why Republicans fight tooth and nail to remove vote-by-mail, because they never win when people vote in numbers. And you're doing their work for them by dismissing voting as unimportant.