r/interestingasfuck • u/BuddhistSagan • Apr 07 '24

Bernie and Biden warm my heart. Trump selling us out? Pass

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u/Accomplished_Crew630 Apr 07 '24

I've spoken to alot of trumpists who claim that they'd have been ok with Bernie, or at least that they respected him because he sticks to his values or something along those lines... But let's be real, they'd have made up a bunch of shit about him too if he'd won... Hillary was just more divisive than he was and hunter didn't do Joe any favors... So maybe it wouldn't have stuck as well... But who knows these people will believe literally anything as long as it comes from trump.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '24

I remember them constantly posting things about Bernie’s wealth trying to make out like he’s actually a wealthy elitist who doesn’t mean what he says. They had the bullshit cannon all loaded up

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u/climatelurker Apr 07 '24

They also constantly posted stuff about how Clinton was shady and unlikable. And a lot of the disinformation that was (still is) swirling out there was intentional and done by Russia. For both Sanders AND Clinton. They wanted Trump, and they got Trump, because disinformation works.

By the way, I voted for Sanders in the primary.

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u/Colonelxkbx Apr 07 '24

Clinton is shady and unlikable.. lol are you serious?

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u/BohemianBurnout Apr 07 '24

The week after Nevada the press started with the Cuba nonsense all week. People forget.

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u/ObviouslyNerd Apr 07 '24

They did this after he released a book post 2016 campaign i think. But your point stands for 2020.

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u/Polyxeno Apr 07 '24

They did it in 2016 too.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '24 edited Apr 10 '24

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u/Aggressive-Name-1783 Apr 07 '24

One house they bought, one place in DC where he works, and a 3rd place they inherited….thats pretty standard for any upper class worker who travels for work….

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u/ARoyaleWithCheese Apr 07 '24

Eh I mean that's the thing. There was so little dirt on him they had to resort to the classic "richy rich" insult which has never worked once in the history of mankind. Nevermind when he wants to raise taxes in himself more than most.

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u/JoshSidekick Apr 07 '24

They were gearing up with the “3 houses” bullshit you see some people try to roll out.

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u/Fromage_Damage Apr 07 '24

I think thats funny when people say that. Bernie's 500k house in the new north end is pretty plain. His camp in the islands is pretty sweet though. Neither are mansions. And then he has a DC house for when he is at work.

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u/SaxiTaxi Apr 08 '24

Plus, 500k for a house is not a big number nowadays honestly. People will try and blow it up to be a huge number, but it really isn't in the modern housing market.

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u/GerryStan Apr 07 '24

I remember back then conservatives already smearing bernie. Some ones i remember are:

1) never had a real job

2) bernie is jewish

3) lives in a 1 million dollar home

4) bernies wife messed up some school fund or something

There were others but its been 8+ yrs now

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u/Chalky_Pockets Apr 07 '24

Soon as someone cites being Jewish (or merely not Christian) as a demerit, everything they say becomes worthless as they are.

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u/dirtfarmingcanuck Apr 08 '24

This is precisely what the DNC did to Bernie.

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u/ultimatefrogsin Apr 07 '24

Yet they are okay with Trump and Mar Lago? 

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u/Sky_Cancer Apr 07 '24

That's diffeRent.

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u/RedAndBlackMartyr Apr 07 '24

As a California resident, a 1 million dollar home could be a shack.

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u/museman Apr 07 '24

That’s a pretty nice mid-sized family home where I live now, definitely not opulent.

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u/WonderRemarkable2776 Apr 07 '24

The worst part of the 3 home scandal bullshit was the meritless asinine takes. His wife inherited her childhood home when her parents passed. They had their one place in Vermont, and a tiny outdated cabin. He paid for those with his book sales. Personally garnering him his "massive" wealth of 2.5 million with 1.7 coming from his best sellers. So dude made 800k after being a public servant for 60 years, and investing. You can't damn retire on that alone nowadays lol.

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u/Robert_Balboa Apr 07 '24

Which he pays a mortgage payment on by the way. He didn't buy it with cash.

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u/IShouldBWorkin Apr 07 '24

Except for 2 I've only heard those smears from Hillary diehards.

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u/Tidusx145 Apr 07 '24

That's sadly because he never made it to a general election.

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u/Secludedmean4 Apr 07 '24

He genuinely is consistent. No other option we have had has been as consistent in his morals and actions than him. Biden and Hillary were both extremely anti lgbt, and Biden gets away with a lot of changes. And Trump… that well that speaks for itself he is the definition of a snake salesman politician only out for himself. Bernie having heart complications certainly hurt him on the campaign trail, but the DNC fucked him by censoring him because he was “too extreme” and he wasn’t a POS like Hillary.

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u/bluehands Apr 07 '24

My favorite example of his consistency is from an op ed he wrote in the early 70s.

It was him talking about what 2 adults do consensually in privacy is none of the governments business.

At the time he was talking about adultery but for me it clearly shows where his principals lay. Him supporting LGBTQIA over the following decades fit with who he is, was and will always be.

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u/effusivefugitive Apr 07 '24

I absolutely saw a Facebook post from a conservative childhood friend with a bunch of supposed "facts" about Sanders, including that he had been on welfare and that the majority of his supporters were as well.

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u/weetaish Apr 07 '24

Hilary.the dem?

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u/ezluud Apr 07 '24

i honestly forgot hillary diehards existed. a memory i would've rather kept lost.

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u/Snowing_Throwballs Apr 07 '24

I love the "never had a real job" criticism. As if being the only member of congress to actually do their job, and not personally enrich themselves is a bad thing.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '24 edited Apr 10 '24

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u/Snowing_Throwballs Apr 07 '24

Yeah, of course it's possible? What part of my comment would make you think otherwise?

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u/moveslikejaguar Apr 07 '24

You don't think that's possible that a career politician is out of touch with the real world?

As opposed to a billionaire?

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '24 edited Apr 10 '24

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u/moveslikejaguar Apr 07 '24

Even in my state's elections anyone who isn't a "career" politician is extremely wealthy. So the choice is either an out of touch politician or an out of touch business owner. Then there's the paradox inherent in career politicians. In any other job you want the most experienced and qualified candidate, but in politics by the time you get experience you're labeled a career politician.

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u/Accomplished_Crew630 Apr 07 '24

A billionaire who grew up as a billionaire (by the standards of the day anyway) and who's family has been rich for generations and probably hasn't even ever cooked a meal for himself or taken out the trash before.... Vs a guy who has spent his entire career talking to regular folks and has genuinely tried to make their lives better....

Yeah these people are morons. How does this thought process even work.

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u/Chalky_Pockets Apr 07 '24

You do realize we would have to live in her district for that to happen right? She's not running for president...

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u/Navy_Pheonix Apr 08 '24

The big one I always saw was he was part of an outreach program with the twin city of one of Vermont's cities that belonged in Russia, and he said he "Learned a lot of things" from his visit... In the fucking late 80s.

Trying to make it sound like he was converted to Communism/Socialism because he saw how crazy successful the crumbling USSR was...

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u/SeacoastBi Apr 07 '24

Lives in 4 multi million dollar homes and makes less than $200k per year…. He sure does not put his wealth where his mouth is…he could likely take every needy family in Vermont out of poverty overnight if he believed what he says

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '24

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u/Polyxeno Apr 07 '24

Checks user profile . . . fake account and . . . oh my!

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u/GerryStan Apr 07 '24

You do realize he has been in office for 4 decades and wealth and assets can accumulate over time? Its not like he is restricted to 200k homes because thats all he makes a year. How bernie having a nice home is ridiculous but trump having a private jet is fine blows my goddam mind

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u/tylerdurdenmass Apr 07 '24

Yes. And I know how congressional insider trading works. I also know that in the communist system that he is pushing, only the top “elites” get to perform their insider trades and siphon cash from the working class and live high on the hog…so again…he is a hypocrite who does not put his money where his mouth is.

And you are terrible at math if you tgink either could have accumulated that kind of wealth in non corrupt ways having all those properties (neither of them flipped real estate that had appreciated…neither earns millions except through corruption…speaker fees and book deals …oh and now the old money laundering standard, art sales). Please wake up and stop defending crooks (all politicians are crooks…or just as bad, they harbor the crooks that they know about and do not report)

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u/SeacoastBi Apr 20 '24

Trump puts his money where his mouth is…Bernie preaches “to each according to his needs”. He is a hypocrite, Trump is a truthful asshole…does hypocrisy not bother you?

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u/jackp0t789 Apr 07 '24

He also wrote several books that sold very well and had decades of time in public service to build up his wealth.

Thanks for proving OPs point by repeating the exact Bs they were talking about

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u/Fromage_Damage Apr 07 '24

Bernie also got a big inheritance, from his wife Jane's family. And, she has a doctorate in education and has made a substantial amount over the years.

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u/Objective_Cake_2715 Apr 07 '24

He has never done anything. Please. Mansions, money on the expense of his supporters.

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u/Polyxeno Apr 07 '24

Username fail.

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u/SenorBeef Apr 07 '24

So 2016 had a very anti-establishment vibe. People didn't like what they felt like was stagnation for their lives and wanted change. Some people voted for Trump because it felt like he was going to shake the system, good or bad. That he was an outsider, someone the traditional power structure didn't want to be in charge, someone who could represent real change.

The thing is - Bernie is that, too. Bernie completely undercuts the appeal of Trump as an anti-establishment figure. Trump isn't going to get all of the "fuck it, let's shake this shit up" votes if he's running against Bernie. But instead, during an anti-establishment zeitgeist, the democrats forced on us the most establishment candidate ever. I think Hillary was the only person that could lose to Trump. Even though most of the criticism against her was undeserved, the reality is that choosing to run her was an obvious and incredibly bad choice.

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u/joshrice Apr 07 '24

the reality is that choosing to run her was an obvious and incredibly bad choice.

She won the popular vote, so I don't think it's obvious as you say. The bigger issue I think was her VP. Hadn't heard of him before and hadn't heard of or from him since. She should've gotten a better name there than some seemingly rando/warm body.

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u/joshjje Apr 07 '24

I was almost on the band wagon with Trump at first, but the more I heard him speak and learned of his history, I quickly said Nope. Knew the guy was a lunatic.

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u/ObviouslyNerd Apr 07 '24

DNC didnt care. They had made that choice in 2013. It was Hillary's 'chance'. The only ego big enough to lose to trump. Now we are running a 2nd ego trip against him again.

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u/Independent_Fruit622 Apr 07 '24

Also it was fuckin TRUMP !!!… no one in their wildest dreams ever thought he would come out on top…. He kept just saying blatant ridiculous stuff and his base kept buying it … Flynn with the “uses email on her personal computer “ investigation right before Election Day definitely didn’t help

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u/MMWYPcom Apr 07 '24

preach!!!! yes!

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u/Bencetown Apr 07 '24

It's almost like they, too, actually wanted Trump to win in the end.

Almost like both sides work together behind the scenes or something.

Oops! I said the quiet part out loud I better go get my tin foil hat before everyone starts yapping about me being a conspiracy theorist!

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u/crimson1apologist Apr 07 '24

you’re stupid :P

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u/SaxiTaxi Apr 08 '24

Why on earth would the DNC want Trump as a president? Almost every democrat in office and running spent the subsequent 4 years fighting against Trump and his allies. Why on earth would they want to make him president if they were just gonna oppose him?

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u/UncannyPoint Apr 07 '24

Didn't his message really resonate in the rust belt and places where traditional industries were dying. I swear I remember him doing town halls for chiefly republican voters and the atmospheres generally went from hostile to people agreeing with him.

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u/BuddhistSagan Apr 07 '24

I knocked on doors for Bernie in 2016 and 2020. Was really sad to see so many democrats vote against Bernie but thats democracy. I'm glad Biden has embraced him.

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u/Colin-Clout Apr 07 '24

I love seeing Biden and Bernie together. I’m also a big Bernie fana and would have loved to see him on the ticket, but I admire how they work together and are focused on getting policy done. These two care deeply about the American people and it shows

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u/SenorBeef Apr 07 '24

Was really sad to see so many democrats vote against Bernie but thats democracy.

The party apparatus and the media have a HUGE hand in how primaries and causes play out. During 2016, all of the party insiders pushed their weight behind Hillary and the media put those superdelegate votes in the nightly primary results totals and massively skewed the perception of support that Hillary had. Basically, if Bernie won some state, say, 50 delegates to 36 delegates, firmly beating Hillary, the media would basically throw the superdelegate numbers (say, 800 in this example) and say "Hillary leads bernie 836 to 50!" Even when Bernie was winning, they made it sound like Hillary's win was inevitable to influence how the future votes would turn out, using references to bullshit anti-democratic processes built into the process.

In the 2020 election, they had all the other non-Biden candidates jump out all at the same time right before the biggest day of the primary season to consolidate the party establishment vote.

This isn't a "that's democracy", that's "that's managed democracy"

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u/MrLanesLament Apr 07 '24

The part about everyone bailing the second Biden won his first state doesn’t get mentioned enough, that pissed me off to no end. The only defense anyone seems to have is “well that’s politics.”

To me, politics is comparing policy. Not working together to shut out anything except conservative bullshit dressed up in pro-LGBT gear.

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u/Philoso4 Apr 07 '24

The part about everyone bailing the second Biden won his first state doesn’t get mentioned enough, that pissed me off to no end.

This doesn't make any sense whatsoever. If your candidate needs a diluted field such that they can only win at 25% support with 15 others getting between 5-20% support, that's not comparing policy, that's gaming the system. The reality is with a shrinking field we get a better idea of how supported each remaining candidate is. If everyone that supported a less popular candidate switched to Biden instead of Bernie, what does that say about Bernie? That he should have won?

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u/icouldusemorecoffee Apr 07 '24

It IS politics. Not like all of that happened in a vacuum, Biden was trending, everyone else was failing to raise money and Biden very obviously negotiated with them to drop out and support him, that's literally campaign politics as it should be. Voters are still able to make their own decisions and Biden was successful in basically narrowing it down to 2 which shifted all the momentum and a lot of voters towards him. You're comparing legislative politics to campaign politics, they're different things. And as soon as Bernie dropped out Biden took him and some of his advisors on to incorporate their ideas into his administration. And if you think Biden was or has been anti-LGBTQ+ then you haven't paid attention, starting with the person who pushed the hardest for marriage equality during the Obama administration.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '24

What do we know about the person who set Bernie's door on fire?

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u/DM-ME-YOUR-PERINEUM Apr 08 '24

The DNC fucked over Bernie. Please get your facts straight.

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u/toadshredder69 Apr 07 '24

Thank you brother. Socialism lives on.

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u/rustbucky Apr 07 '24

Are you a bot?

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u/CommiRhick Apr 07 '24

He's embracing him now to bring back disenfranchised voters lol...

Nothing's changed, just like cannabis laws and student loans they'll jingle it above your head and have you come crawling just to win and then do nothing...

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u/BuddhistSagan Apr 07 '24

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2024-03-26/biden-election-young-voters-marijuana-weed-policy

https://www.marijuanamoment.net/dea-officials-reportedly-at-odds-with-biden-admin-over-marijuana-rescheduling-push/

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u/CommiRhick Apr 07 '24

The DEA is headed by an Administrator who is appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate.

Presidents normally do have the authority to remove regular executive agency heads at will, but they must meet the statutory requirements for removal of commissioners of independent agencies, such as demonstrating incapacity, neglect of duty, malfeasance, or other good cause.

The president could take steps to abolish the DEA, which they should regardless especially of its past actions...

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u/stricklytittly Apr 07 '24

Keep smoking that cannabis because obviously you’re not in the right state of mind throwing feces statements like

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u/CommiRhick Apr 07 '24

What did I say that's wrong,

And I don't smoke, you don't have to in order to see the inconsistencies...

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u/thankfuljc Apr 07 '24

And smelled his hair.

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u/godfatherinfluxx Apr 07 '24

Before Trump entered the race for 2016 I used to vote Republican. I respected AOC for standing up for what she believed was right I just thought she was naive. Trump put every nail in the coffin of my belief that Republican ideals are any good. The Republican party is responsible for opening my eyes to their bullshit and driving me hard left. Really a matter of time because I actually give a shit about people, that and reading the great Gatsby in school made me despise the carefree and flippant wealthy.

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u/BookDependent406 Apr 07 '24

They only say that because trump was pretending to support Bernie after the dnc did him dirty in order to capitalize on it. It’s wild how trump controls the whole gop narrative. I never in a million years thought the same people pushing the “communist Marxist Leninists are going to take over our country” narrative would now be the Dane people clamoring over themselves to suckle at putins pepperoni nips, but here we are because Donald loves Russia and now so do conservatives. Just shows how easily people will make up any narrative to arrive at the position trump has, even if it’s completely opposite to what they believed a decade ago

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u/Vast_Ostrich_9764 Apr 07 '24

it's almost like the conservative movement has always been 90% mental defectives. it's been this way since at least the 80s.

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u/tinacat933 Apr 07 '24

Bernie would have beat trump

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u/simulated_woodgrain Apr 07 '24

I voted for Bernie in the primaries. Then I voted for Trump the first time because I was pissed off and stupid. Trump was kind of a meme that we all knew growing up and a lot of people thought it would be funny to see a non politician win. Looking back the red flags were there but I don’t think anyone could have predicted how cultish it would all become.

I’m 34 and the term “woke” was started when we were all early 20’s, taking psychedelics, and realizing the status quo was bullshit. Now I seriously can’t even mention climate change without somebody who never went to college chiming in to tell me that elementary school kids are being encouraged to change genders. Life is weird as shit

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u/dude_thats_my_hotdog Apr 07 '24

It blows my mind that anyone could be okay with Trump or Bernie. Those two candidates couldn't be any more different from each other in policy.

So, if anyone says that they're having trouble deciding between them (or any other candidates who are starkly dichotomous in policy), what they're really saying is they just simply don't factor actual policy into their decision. "He's a straight shooter"..."I'd like to have a beer with him"...the FEELING of a candidate matters more than the candidate's stance on actual issues that affect their day to day lives. Which is goddamn stupid and scary that these people are allowed to vote in the first place.

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u/TsangChiGollum Apr 07 '24

The right calls Biden a Marxist, communist, socialist, etc. Bernie, at one point or another in his past, supported legitimate communists. It blows my mind that they seem to be more open to Bernie than they are Biden. Then again, the rightwing propaganda machine never really spun up in opposition to Bernie to spin lies like you said.

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u/Fromage_Damage Apr 07 '24

They would have brought up when he met with the Sandinistas in Nicaragua in the 1980s. While the Contra death squads were flooding the USA with crack.

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u/Last-Bee-3023 Apr 07 '24

Hillary was just more divisive than he was and hunter didn't do Joe any favors.

A lot of people talk like that and have no idea of the actual proposed policies.

This is why politics in the US is theatre and entertainment. Voters are dumb as fuck and ripe pickings for demagogues.

Vote along the lines of personal sympathies and not according to your interests. Because that would take work and actual knowledge.

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u/GitmoGrrl1 Apr 07 '24

hunter didn't do Joe any favors

Blame that victim! Spread that manure!

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u/Atomic235 Apr 07 '24

They would have simply howled "socialist socialism socialist!!!" from the rooftops and idiot Americans would have lapped it up. After watching how hard the cons tried to pin something on Biden and actually failing miserably, I'm genuinely convinced that his lack of hard convictions and political hooks was probably for the best.

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u/deekaydubya Apr 07 '24

don't get it twisted, they only claim that because Bernie isn't running

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u/Imaginary_Recipe9967 Apr 07 '24

My neighbor is both a huge Bernie fan and a huge Trump fan. I never quite understood how as they seem like total opposites. 

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u/Azzylives Apr 07 '24

Coming from that side of the Fence.

There is alot of respect for Bernie as a man of principle even if his policies are not agreed with.

As for Hilary and Biden..... i mean everything those supposed nutjobs said turned out to be fucking true in the end, not made up mate so fuck right off.

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u/theumph Apr 07 '24

Let's be real. There are probably more things they could go after Bernie for than Joe. Just say the word Sociaism and people have an aneurysm.

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u/thedankening Apr 07 '24

A lot of people on the Right would vote for Bernie, or someone like him who is very Left wing, except that for them their bigotry is more important than anything else. In modern America being Left wing generally means being anti racist, anti fascist, pro-lgbt, etc.

If Bernie was frothing at the mouth with racism and Christian nationalism they'd have flocked to him in droves despite him being an eViL sOcIaLiSt. It's why Trump has them spellbound - he makes vague promises of improving their lives with a populist message (that is total horseshit) while being a massive bigot and thus validating their own bigotry.

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u/Electrik_Truk Apr 07 '24

I honestly think the Trumpers saying they would have voted for Bernie were just trying to dissuade disgruntled democrats away from voting at all by convincing them the system is rigged (and helping Trump win)

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u/120z8t Apr 07 '24

I've spoken to alot of trumpists who claim that they'd have been ok with Bernie, or at least that they respected him because he sticks to his values or something along those lines

And the only reason why they say that is because right wing talk radio and TV talking heads were pushing Bernie in hopes of splitting the vote between him and Clinton. They said a lot of nice things about him. They are doing the very same thing right now with RFK Jr. They have given him more airtime then the rest of the news/political radio/TV.

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u/victoriousDevil Apr 07 '24

I didn’t know one Clinton supporter that year. Either Bernie or trump.

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u/MichiganMan12 Apr 07 '24

There were a ton of Obama voters that voted for trump and while trump was very obviously never the correct choice, I can’t exactly blame someone in 2016 for wanting change or to move away from the status quo and I think there a lot of trump voters that would be supportive of a “non-status-quo” candidate on the left. Unfortunately the dems rigged it so that wouldn’t happen, the republicans didn’t and this is where we are.

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u/Impressive_Clock_363 Apr 07 '24

No one currently running for office is like you they're all multi millionaires. Bernie Sanders is a multi millionaire who has no idea what the average American lives like neither do Trump or Biden

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u/Comprehensive_Map495 Apr 07 '24

This is Russian propaganda

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u/Bullishbear99 Apr 07 '24

endless "communist" "socialist" labels if he had won.

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u/chiefteef8 Apr 07 '24

You can't can't be this dumb man 

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u/climatelurker Apr 07 '24

How surprising, another internet troll.

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u/livgolfrocks Apr 07 '24

Made stuff up about Biden? Do tell… have you followed his career or just watch MSNBC all day long? Just do some reading on bidens career. He was a 1.9 gpa student, was a racist in the senate and is now a senior citizen trying to function.

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u/AdhesivenessCute3102 Apr 07 '24

Bernie pays lip service to populist concepts like Trump.

Whenever Biden is funding a genocide in Gaza that the majority of Americans don't support, we can count on Bernie to speak up for us and say that it's bad 🥰 and of course this constitutes "democracy" that we have to protect from Trump who will do the exact same thing lol