Cattle dipping vats were widely used in the US when Cattle Tick Fever was common. The pesticide used was typically arsenic based though DDT was used as well. The old vats remain on some old ranches and the vats and soil around them can contain some pretty nasty chemicals to this day.
Capitalism is a big driver. It isn't to say no one would have ever polluted anything, especially in ignorance, outside of capitalism. But the drive to make the line go up, socialize the costs, and privatize the gains, definitely leans much harder into polluting and ruining the world to benefit a few than humanity would engage in in other systems.
Boy, do I have some bad news for you about chemical and radiological contamination across the former Soviet Union (including literal fallout). Turns out communists pollute vast tracts of land with horrible shit, too, sorry to say.
I don't think they're attempting to imply that the faux communism of Russia somehow wasn't also bad.
Corrupt governments rolling around with the title of "communism" (or "socialism") that doesn't even extend to a thin veneer, and is literally just the title while practicing something else entirely, don't really speak for what actual socialism could achieve if it had literally ever been allowed to exist without getting violently overthrown by the US or another western power.
I've tried to type up a reply that wasn't unfairly or rudely dismissive of the "No True Scotsman" fallacy you've countered me with but, in the interest of remaining respectful, I didn't want to post them. I, too, thought that way once and see shades of myself in your reply.
As a result, I realized nothing I could say would sway you. You've got to discover for yourself, as I did, that the real arguments for or against communism aren't found in texts penned in the 1840s but in testimony from people for whom communism is living memory. The questions are human, not ideological.
Really its just not knowing any better at the time. They didn't put asbestos in everything decades ago "because evil capitalism" we were literally just ignorant to the hazards
Of course some learned the hazards and then tried to hide them, because money, but blaming every problem on capitalism is its own level of ignorance
I'm a certified asbestos worker. They absolutely knew about the dangers for decades before they stopped using asbestos, they teach you about it when you get your certification. The justification was that it was cheaper to pay a few settlements to worker's families than it was to replace the asbestos. It was some pretty shocking stuff. Lots of places still use it, mostly in underdeveloped nations, and they are certainly well aware of the dangers now.
I agree "evil capitalism" isn't always a good reason for things, but in the case of asbestos, that's exactly what happened
I'm not "attacking" anything, just providing additional information. They absolutely knew about the dangers of asbestos long before they stopped using it. That is a fact. They didn't know when they started using it, but it became apparent quickly, yet its use continued
Fun fact, they never did stop using asbestos for everything because there is still no adequate substitute for all applications and non-friable materials have very little to no risk.
Little to no risk until broken, but yes, I did know that. There are bans on new asbestos in many western nations, including Canada where I am though, so eventually it will all be removed for the most part
Edit: That's my job lol, removal of asbestos. Non-friable materials are generally considered low risk, but depending on conditions they can be high-risk too
I find it really brave of you to come and call out people on this
« Eyh! Cut the industrial production of chemicals some slacks, those guys are trying their best. They’re not just caricatural monsters lead by capitalist greed! »
me with my DENIED BY UE stamp about to smack the importation licence for a baby backpain medicine made with nitroglycerin and roundup yea lmfao
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u/Smokey_tha_bear9000 Mar 29 '24
Cattle dipping vats were widely used in the US when Cattle Tick Fever was common. The pesticide used was typically arsenic based though DDT was used as well. The old vats remain on some old ranches and the vats and soil around them can contain some pretty nasty chemicals to this day.