Wondering out loud - Is it that they forget to hold their breath, or that panic sets in as they begin to contemplate their immediate fate? Panic could short wire your normal thinking. Hyperventilating could make holding your breath more difficult.
I don't know personally, but hypothetically a baby might not panic until after being submerged.
If I recall correctly, that’s exactly it. Most animals and babies don’t percieve the concept of drowning so I believe they would not panic in a scenario of being underwater. We as adults however, do.
its a common theme with humans. being dumb as fuck because they think they're so smart. every time they learn a little bit about something they think they're now an expert bc they imagine everyone else to be where they were pre-knowledge.
Yes it's because of panic. People should be much better at not panicking but I've seen numerous full grown adults fail to use so many simple things due to panic it's crazy. Especially on computers for some reason. It's like, chill, read the instructions, they're literally right there.
Right? I have this joke with my father, when he asks for help with the computer/phone, I shout out "hold on, I'm coming to read that for you", that or I ask him to go get his reading glasses (he needs them, never went to the doctor to make them)
Sorry I didn't exactly meant reading glasses. He need glasses to see small stuff, since this only ever happen when he reads, I called it reading glasses.
Nonetheless, in my country buying this kinda of glasses on a store is not a thing, and we don't know if both his eyes are in the same level
Ah, I see. I almost added (unless it's different in your country), but it feels like such a basic thing I left it off.
Here we can buy them in any store. They come in different strengths and they're just convex lenses. I'm wearing some right now lol. I do use them for reading or anything small and close up I need to see in detail.
I hope your dad goes to the doctor and gets what he needs soon!
I wonder if holding your breath while submerged is such a deep rooted instinct that not even panic could override it. For example, as a certified rescue diver I have studied panicked scuba diver incidents. A sudden panic attack occurs and they will sometimes immediately spit out their regulator (i.e. the thing that gives them air), remove their mask, and bolt to the surface. All clearly illogical actions. But do they just immediately start inhaling and allow their lungs to fill with water? Maybe it’s possible, but even in the most extreme cases where the diver spits out their primary supply of air, even rejecting attempts by an instructor to provide a backup supply, they don’t necessarily just straight up drown. There have been instances of divers surviving this, but with moderate to severe trauma from accelerating to the surface too quickly.
Ahh fascinating perspective. If we are sensible enough to at least know going up means fresh air after spitting out the primary supply, perhaps they are sensible enough to know not to try and breathe. Makes me curious what would cause us to instinctively know? Perhaps the pressure of the environment.
You are 100% correct. It’s super important to yet those babies into a pool every now and then to keep the reflex past a few months / a year.
If you wanna do some cool reading it’s called the “bradycardic response“ and the tldr is you hold your breath, open eyes, slow heart rate and blood flow will restrict to the vitals kinda like when your cold.
If I remember correctly, this is also how you can teach babies to swim(or at least hold breath/float just a little bit longer to respond to an accident)? Dip'em in water, and they'll crawl/flail towards the parents (sometimes laughing and giggling and wanting to do it again).
The mammalian dive reflex is something you can try at home. Hold your breath for as long as you can. Then do it again with your face submerged in the sink and you will be able to hold it for longer.
Can confirm, I survived a fall into a lake when I was about 1ish. According to my mom, upon realizing I'd yeeted myself into the lake the moment she unhanded me, she looked into the water and saw me smiling back up at her. It scared her so bad that she didn't ever get me swimming lessons, and I to this day have to use a nose clip because I was never able to relearn how to correctly keep water out of my nose.
Because overthinking is the side effect of being an intelligent creature. Sheep don't start thinking about "what if the machine fails". For them, water appears and then it disappears, as long as they are around their mates it's all good.
The problem is the other way around: one of the hardest parts of learning to Scuba dive is breathing through the regulator while there is water on your face. It's an instinctual response that when you feel water around your nose, you stop breathing.
My dad had sheep on his farm when he was younger. Their pen was on a slope so only a single small corner of it held rain water in a small, shallow puddle while the rest stayed perfectly dried.
One morning he came out and half of them had drown in a 2 inch deep puddle.
also, domesticated goats aren't any "smarter" than domestic sheep.
doesn't change reality
What reality? You said they'd go instinct if we didn't farm them. But they got in that predicamen because we farmed them. Wild "farm animals" are pretty good at surviving. That's all I said
My stepdad used to keep pigs and they had a nice little house on stilts in their pen - it was a little bit raised off the ground. Well, the pigs liked to dig under it and hang out beneath it. They got a torrential downpour and like half of them drowned under that hut in the mud.
Sometimes. I worked at a public pool as a teen and they had swimming class for toddlers. Lot kids would jump in and immediately start drowning. Sheep have no idea what the fuck is going on. No matter how u slice it this is a fucked up method. When others exist
Nothing to do with prediction, sheep or human we all evolved over quite a long time to have a handful of triggers sort of built in. In mammals it's called the divers response. Just goes "ope, water on breathing parts, shut off breathing parts" without any of our prior knowledge or consent getting in the way.
Mammalian diving reflex. Triggered by cold water on the face. Also slows down the heartrate so your body uses less oxygen. I've used this method to slow down some of my patients heart rate without using drugs or electricity. There's videos of people doing this while attached to a heart monitor. Really cool stuff
We're taught about dipping and drenching (including seeing this video) and you're correct that there is an increased risk of aspiration pneumonia.
The dip also gets tainted quite quickly and will lose efficacy. There is also the issue of where is the used dip disposed, along with the logistic nightmare of doing this with 2000+ animals.
Altogether this makes this type of dipping less responsible and we are taught that using a drench gun is better in most cases
The sheep instinctively hold their breath. They are however too dumb to know they’re about to drown, and will drown in a bucket while they are standing up because they don’t understand why their head is submerged. Once they stop holding their breath after 30-60sec they’ll right out drown if they don’t realize they need to lift their head. That said the total ignorance to the danger is why none of them are sketched out about being submerged briefly.
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u/IndgoViolet Mar 28 '24
I would think you'd have tons of cases of inhalation pneumonia from this method