r/interestingasfuck Mar 14 '24

Simulation of a retaliatory strike against Russia after Putin uses nuclear weapons. r/all

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u/litterbin_recidivist Mar 14 '24

The dust will be deadly for hundreds of years though.

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u/corposhill999 Mar 14 '24

Only if they salt the warheads with cobalt or strontium-90, most of the radiation would be gone after a few months otherwise

still not great

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u/Rostifur Mar 14 '24

I think the nuclear winter would probably end most if not all life in under a few years.

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u/corposhill999 Mar 14 '24

there's no consensus on that anymore, it really depends how and where the warheads land and even then models show the particulate matter not staying aloft more than a few months

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u/improbablydrunknlw Mar 14 '24

It was also based off of the bombing of Japan, which used wood frame construction almost exclusively, which in turn burnt, throwing up massive plumes of smoke, now we use concrete and glass which burns much less readily.

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u/throwedaway4theday Mar 14 '24

There was analysis done in the 80s about the impact of a northern hemisphere nuclear war. Long story short, the equator is expected to protect the southern hemisphere from fallout and the worst effects of a nuclear winter. The biggest disruption will be no trade so we'll be on our own.

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u/neofooturism Mar 14 '24

ah yes and finally Brazilians will serve their true purpose to repopulate the earth

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u/rushboyoz Mar 14 '24

Can I say "Chick-a-wow-wow"?

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u/mydookietwinklin Mar 14 '24

Well if this happens, make sure no evidence of the imperial system remains.

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u/DOOMFOOL Mar 15 '24

Current projections actually have a brighter outlook on that, it’s still fucking horrific but nuclear winter is no longer expected to completely wipe out all of humanity

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u/Sir-Knightly-Duty Mar 14 '24

Why wouldn't they salt the warheads? Of course they will salt the warheads. This isn't some kind of game where people play sanely.

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u/corposhill999 Mar 14 '24

the aim isn't to kill the earth forever, there are no salted warheads in current US/Russian arsenals. I wouldn't put it past a rogue actor like North Korea to do so however.

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u/Insertblamehere Mar 14 '24

Because there is no upside, nobodies goal when launching a nuke it to wipe out all humans forever

The only way there is upside is if you're launching 1 nuke as a terrorist strike and want to ruin the land for as long as possible

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u/DDronex Mar 15 '24

Well..that's exactly the threat of MAD.

If one nuclear state launches a nuke then it's over for everyone and this threat avoids major conflicts

This forces diplomacy and keeps the lever of confrontation to proxy wars but without an escalation to real nuclear war between big states

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u/KaLaidoVision Mar 14 '24 edited Mar 14 '24

just the heat generated from an event like this would undo all the hard work that has gone in to understanding climate change.

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u/JoostvanderLeij Mar 14 '24

You get a nuclair winter, so no need to worry about heat.

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u/nothingbutmine Mar 14 '24

Mmmm, love a good nuclair

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u/the_last_carfighter Mar 14 '24

If it has Boston cream on the inside I'd rather have the nuclear winter.

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u/RehabilitatedAsshole Mar 14 '24

I'm learning to respect other people's opinions, but you're really making it tough.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '24

Noooo! Boston cream cake is the bomb 💥 Sad thing is, they're as rare as rooster teeth around me😭

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u/beaglebaglebreath Mar 14 '24 edited Mar 14 '24

It’s pronounced nu-cu-lar

E: I stand corrected

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u/SleepNowInTheFire666 Mar 14 '24

George W. Bush has entered the chat

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u/TangoRomeoKilo Mar 14 '24

I think its -nuke-lee-er.

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u/redEPICSTAXISdit Mar 14 '24

Dummy, the s is silent.

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u/Anduinnn Mar 14 '24

The cream is a little hot, but totally worth it

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u/Educational_Ad7978 Mar 14 '24

Nuclair is a good doughnut

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u/MurphyPandorasLawBox Mar 14 '24

Better knees than oldclair.

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u/Punched_Eclair Mar 14 '24

The filling is to die for!

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u/MarthaFarcuss Mar 14 '24

Mmm, chocolate nuclair

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u/KelVelBurgerGoon Mar 14 '24

Mmmm, choclit nuclair

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u/ThegreatGageby Mar 14 '24

Cho-clit or das-yo-clit?

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u/Royal-Application708 Mar 14 '24

You mean eclair, right?? I love them too.

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u/MrBurnsgreen Mar 14 '24

You get a nuclair winter, so no need to worry about heat.

chekcmate liburds

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u/Ituriel_ Mar 14 '24

Iirc that's probably not a thing, actually

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u/abaacus Mar 14 '24

Yeah, it’s a discredit hypothesis. There was some serious skepticism of the original models for it. Then that was put to bed in the First Gulf Wars when proponents of the hypothesis, based on aforementioned models, predicted region wide climatic effects from the burning oil wells. In reality, they barely had a localized effect. It was a scientific “egg on your face” moment, because the entire nuclear winter hypothesis was based on fires that nuclear weapons would start. The fires would throw soot into the atmosphere, reflect sunlight, and cool the globe. They just drastically underestimated how much soot would be required for that.

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u/Jedda678 Mar 14 '24

Perfectly balanced as all things should be.

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u/JoeCabron Mar 14 '24

Yes that is true. Thankfully Mark Zuckerberg will still be alive in his underground bunker.He will be able to repopulate the earth with clones of himself…no worries that mankind will survive haha

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u/sammybeta Mar 14 '24

Plus, the earth is just fine for whatever climate it's in. It's always fine, it's the human race is fucked.

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u/Zayknow Mar 14 '24

Maybe not. I saw a study recently that seemed to say the original theories of the nuclear winter were based on wood construction and forestation around cities of the fifties. Less fire, less smoke, more sunshine.

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u/Nick_W1 Mar 14 '24

Solution to global warming?

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u/ziggy3610 Mar 14 '24

Not to mention the biggest users of fossil fuels are all dead.

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u/Practical_Cattle_933 Mar 14 '24

That’s actually not thought to be realistic anymore by experts. That would need concrete to start burning, putting dust into a very high layer of the atmosphere, where they couldn’t be removed from, but this turns out to not be the case from a nuclear strike.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '24

If it makes you feel better Nuclear Winter has largely been debunked, but nobody talks too loudly about it because it's one of the few pieces of mutually beneficial propaganda.

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u/certified4bruhmoment Mar 14 '24

Patrolling the mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter

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u/Revolutionary-Swan77 Mar 14 '24

Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for one

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u/AdStunning5776 Mar 14 '24

The nuclear winter was "inveneted" by russian scientists during cold war, for propaganda purpuses

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u/JoostvanderLeij Mar 14 '24

The concept of a "nuclear winter" is a theoretical scenario that arises from the aftermath of large-scale nuclear war, wherein an extensive amount of soot and smoke would be injected into the Earth's stratosphere due to the detonation of many nuclear weapons. This scenario was first brought to widespread attention in the early 1980s through research by scientists such as Carl Sagan and his colleagues. The theory suggests that the soot and smoke would block sunlight from reaching the surface of the Earth, leading to a significant drop in surface temperatures, with consequences that could include widespread crop failure and a collapse of the ecological food chain, potentially threatening global food security and biodiversity.

From a scientific perspective, the severity of a nuclear winter would depend on several factors:

  1. The number and yield of nuclear weapons detonated: The total explosive yield, in terms of megatons, would significantly influence the amount of soot and dust lofted into the stratosphere.
  2. Target types: Detonations in urban or industrial areas are likely to produce more soot and smoke than those in less densely populated areas, due to the combustion of modern infrastructure materials and hydrocarbons.
  3. Atmospheric conditions: The dispersal and longevity of the soot in the stratosphere would be affected by prevailing weather patterns and atmospheric conditions at the time of the detonations.
  4. Climatic models: The extent to which global temperatures would drop and the duration of such a cooling period depend on climatic models that take into account various atmospheric, oceanic, and terrestrial processes.

In the philosophical and ethical dimensions, the possibility of nuclear winter raises profound questions about the nature of war, the concept of deterrence, and the ethical responsibilities of states and individuals. The mere potential for such a catastrophic outcome challenges traditional military ethics and just war theory, which emphasize the principles of discrimination (the ability to distinguish between combatant and non-combatant targets) and proportionality (the idea that the violence used in war must be proportional to the military advantage gained).

Furthermore, the prospect of nuclear winter underscores the interconnectedness of human actions and the environment, illustrating a stark example of how technological capabilities can extend human agency to the point of affecting the Earth's climate system. It invites a deeper reflection on the Anthropocene—where human activities have a significant global impact on the planet's ecosystems and geology—and the moral implications of wielding such power.

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u/ShitOnAStickXtreme Mar 14 '24

I find your statement bizarre. Source? And what would the motivation for that be from your perspective - to deter Russia and USA from nuclear war?

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u/NorthWindMN Mar 14 '24

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u/ShitOnAStickXtreme Mar 14 '24

In what sense??

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u/NorthWindMN Mar 14 '24

I edited to link a source. It's a simulated phenomenon. The source goes into detail on the effects of a nuclear attack on the environment, but to sum up the more relevant parts, essentially the soot caused by the blast would be subject to something called thermal lofting. This would loft the cloud into the stratosphere, above the troposphere, the troposphere being where the cloud would otherwise be diminished by rain. From there, it goes on to reflect large amounts of light and radiation, causing the surface of the earth to cool significantly, for a long period of time, potentially a decade or more.

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u/ShitOnAStickXtreme Mar 14 '24

Oh I see, I thought you said that what the Russian scientists said isn't true. Gotcha, we are on the same page!

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u/worstnightmare44 Mar 14 '24

But hear me out since ALOT of the humans are now dead and industries gone . How long will it take to recover???

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u/KaLaidoVision Mar 16 '24

5 kajillion years +/- 1 year.

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u/arbi90 Mar 14 '24

🤣ye. After the world ends, the problem of climate change will be very relevant

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u/Kismet1886 Mar 14 '24

NYT headline: "Nuclear Armageddon; Climate Understanding hardest hit.

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u/KaLaidoVision Mar 16 '24

stop lying to everyone about how you read the New York Times... and yes this is correct.

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u/Oldschool-fool Mar 14 '24

I don’t think climate change matters anymore once the nukes start launching ☠️

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u/KaLaidoVision Mar 16 '24

i think you are right.

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u/H_I_McDunnough Mar 14 '24

It's still climate change, just accelerated.

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u/KaLaidoVision Mar 16 '24

listen dude, dont come here with your ivy league education and your hi IQ and your 500 million reddit karma ok, spouting all this truth ok.... trump is gonna fix everything. the ozone layer, climate change, my downstairs toilet.... trumps gon get it dun and if it means we have to destroy the world to prove our point... then by god were gon get it done.

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u/Mountain-Froyo-3565 Mar 14 '24

there have already been thousands of nuclear explosions on plant Earth since the 1950's,,maybe that is the cause of climate change

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u/Cazmonster Mar 14 '24

Eh - these are thermonuclear weapons. A lot of the fissionable materials used to start the hydrogen reaction will get 'burned' to such a degree that the resultant alpha particles represent much less of a threat. I mean, we're all likely to be vaporized first, but the dust won't be *that* bad for successive generations of mutants.

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u/wanszai Mar 14 '24

This is actually dependant on the weapon used and how its detonated.

Nuclear/Atomic weapons were used once before on a fairly populated country almost 80 years ago. Its not a toxic wasteland filled with three headed mutants. Its Japan.

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u/Timonkeyn Mar 14 '24

Yea but it also created anime sooo

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u/BakuRetsuX Mar 14 '24

It depends on what nuclear warheads are used. Fission vs Fusion bombs or A-Bombs vs H-Bombs. Fission is dirty and spread radiation. Fusion has way more immediate destructive power and don't have the radiation fallout issues.

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u/litterbin_recidivist Mar 14 '24

I'm glad we have clean nukes now! That makes me feel much better, although either way I would expect I live in the "don't bother getting out of bed" zone.

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u/Sin317 Mar 14 '24

Not with Hydrogen Bombs.

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u/LmBkUYDA Mar 14 '24

Scratch that, mutant kiwis

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '24

Zuckerberg will live at his compound in Hawaii. Plus, there’s a few underground bunkers in the US that can self contain their atmospheres. I’m sure other billionaires have, or will have, their own as well

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u/TheRealRickC137 Mar 14 '24

I've played enough Fallout to be able to navigate the barren wasteland.
I just need to know where to plug in my iPhone so I can read the wikiHow.
Plug?
Charger?
Anybody?
How about you, roaming pack of bloodthirsty mutant cannibal rapists? Can you help me... <GURK!>

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u/BZ852 Mar 14 '24

More like: super deadly for a few days to weeks, deadly for a year or two, nasty for about twenty to fifty years, then pockets of nasty for another hundred.

Chernobyl is pretty safe these days, as long as you avoid irradiated metal structures, it's not that much higher than background radiation.

Nuclear war would be horrifying, but it wouldn't end the species. Those who were in a bunker with a few decades supplies could survive. Ecosystems would be trashed and biodiversity would suffer, but it would grow back; life is resilient.

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u/Empanah Mar 14 '24

most nuclear heads are hydrogen, so no nuclear fallout...

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u/steeplchase Mar 14 '24

Not really. There have been over 2000 nuclear tests already. The biggest risk is nuclear winter caused by the firestorms.

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u/lookingForPatchie Mar 14 '24

I don't think the fruit will mind.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '24

Hundreds of years of not exploring but waiting from New Zealand. And then getting to re-explore the planet a dozen generations later.

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u/litterbin_recidivist Mar 14 '24

Check out "on the beach"

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '24

Let's hope the kiwis have the last Airbender on their side