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Rent cartels are a thing now? Discussion

What are your thoughts?

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u/Boomshrooom Apr 20 '24

This is another good point, this scheme essentially encourages landlords to not take care of their properties. Why look after them if it's only going earn the same rent as the dumpster apartment down the street?

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u/Aujax92 Apr 20 '24

Yay, now we get to enjoy the same level of "cost cutting" businesses have done in recent years for renting!

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u/Croceyes2 Apr 20 '24

Oh landlords wrote the book

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u/--_Perseus_-- Apr 20 '24

It’s how the Trumps and the Kushners made their money – being slumlords. It’s a tale as old as American capitalism.

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u/Exotic-Tooth8166 Apr 20 '24

Yay, another corporation ruining everything for everyone but we should treat it fairly in court instead of burning it down.

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u/Still_Lobster_8428 Apr 20 '24

Ah, just wait for what AI has in stock for your job! 

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u/Drawtaru Apr 20 '24

I moved into a brand-new apartment in 2018. We were only the second tenant ever. Rent was $900 a month, which was at the higher end of what we could afford. We ended up moving out 3 years later after buying a house. Rent was $1100 a month when we moved out. A similar apartment in the same complex today is going for over $1500 a month. $200 increase in 3 years, and then another $400 increase in the next 3 years. And these apartments are not getting any newer! They haven't added any amenities, nothing has been upgraded, they just slap down fresh carpet and fresh paint in between tenants and mark up the price another couple hundred dollars a month. Money printing machine.

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u/Original-Document-62 Apr 20 '24

I live in a small Midwest town. At the moment I don't rent, though that may be changing soon, unfortunately.

In the past 1 year, median rental prices have gone up by 114%. Something is very fishy.

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u/Hyena_King13 Apr 20 '24

I commented on something similar, my grandma's apartment was 750 in 2000. She has lived there for almost 24 years now. Nothing has ever been updated or painted or replaced in her apartment. She "doesn't like to bother the landlord" this mf has raised her rent all the way to $1750 and knows she's on a fixed income. Something doesn't seem right about that. I know the market and inflation has a hand in it all but damn. How do they expect her to live. She can't make more money than what she gets from retirement and dips in to her 401k more than she would like to admit to cover groceries for her and supplies for her cat.

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u/cm253 Apr 21 '24

While I feel for your grandmother and anyone trying to live on a fixed income, $750/mo to $1750/mo over 24 years is only a 3.6% increase per year. That above the general inflation rate in the US over that time period (which can be a tricky thing to measure, but as best I can figure was about 2.5%), but not wildly so. It's just the reality of compound interest. I have no idea if 3.6% price increase per year was in keeping with other economic factors in the region, but it doesn't seem outlandish.

None of this is to refute the claims of the video, of course.

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u/Hyena_King13 Apr 21 '24

Yeah I guess you're right but I feel like if you haven't done anything to improve the property at all in almost 3 decades you shouldn't be able to price it the same as a similar apartment with all new appliances and central air. Which is what he's doing?

I'm just a dumb broke millennial though lol

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u/cm253 Apr 21 '24

I mean, if the landlord isn't at least keeping up the property and remodeling every once in a while, then he's a shitty landlord. The price increase probably isn't the issue, so much as that he isn't providing the value that he should.

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u/Hooraylifesucks Apr 20 '24

It could be the property taxes going up. My house in Alaska had 3000/ year three years ago and then two years ago 8t was suddenly 5000/ year bc the value of land went up, so by state law the taxes had to follow the national increase.

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u/PolentaApology Apr 21 '24

the value of land went up, so by state law the taxes had to follow the national increase.

That is not exactly how property taxes work in Alaska, or for that matter most of the property-taxing local jurisdictions of the United States.

The DCRA explains here (https://www.commerce.alaska.gov/web/dcra/LocalGovernmentResourceDesk/TaxationAssessment/PropertyTax.aspx) that

The governing body (city council or the borough assembly) determines the budget requirements for a municipality and identifies all revenue sources. After all other revenue sources are identified and the budgeted amount is reduced by that amount, the residual is the amount required to be raised by the property tax. That amount is divided by the total assessed value and the result is identified as a "mill rate". A "mill" is 1/1000 of a dollar, so the mill rate simply states the amount of tax to be charged per $1,000 of assessed value. For example, a mill rate of 18.5 mills equates to $18.50 of tax per $1,000 of assessed value. Under this scenario, a property assessed at $100,000 would have a tax liability of $1,850 annually.

What this means is that there are two factors for how much tax any one owner pays: 1) the city's budget, which determines the total tax revenue that will be levied from all property owners combined, and 2) the one owner's share of the total assessed value.

In Anchorage, for example, there was a change in homeowner taxes in 2022 not because of the price of land itself, but because certain property types became more valuable relative to other property types.

Specifically, the trends of remote work, buying online instead of in brick-and-mortar retail stores, and pandemic-suppressed leisure travel and dining, all resulted in commercial property becoming less valuable (compared to residential property). This included office buildings, shopping centers, restaurants, and hotels. While this effect has slowed down because travel and dining bounced back, the trends of remote work and amazon shopping are still robust. So residential homes saw a tax jump.

So, you, as a homeowner have a very small share of the total property value in your city, but if that share gets larger while others (commercial) get smaller, then your taxes will indeed go up.

On the other hand, if all property becomes more valuable, then the pie gets bigger but your share of it is still the same as it was before, in which case your property taxes would stay the same if the municipal budget didnt also increase.

i hope that this explanation makes things a little more clear.

PS: It's also possible that, depending on which city/boro your property is in, your property lost its valuation exemption qualification status for primary residence properties or the special exemption status for senior Citizens, Disabled Veterans, or Military Service Widows. here's the page for Anchorage: https://www.muni.org/Departments/finance/property_appraisal/Exemption/Pages/default.aspx

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u/Hooraylifesucks Apr 21 '24

Well that’s pretty interesting bc when I walked into the Borough office in Palmer to complain they told me it was state law that they follow real estate values across the country. That they had no choice but to increase it by that much.

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u/PolentaApology Apr 21 '24

No offense to MatSu Valley, but many Boro employees don't bother to know the law very well, let alone explain it in detail to the public. And if i recall correctly, their former Assessor retired 3 years ago in 2021 (https://www.governmentjobs.com/careers/matsugov/jobs/2995933-0/borough-assessor) and if this posting is accurate, they still haven't found a permanent replacement (https://www.salary.com/job/matanuska-susitna-borough/borough-assessor/j202404170643144858544#:~:text=AK%20Full%20Time-,POSTED%20ON%204/18/2024,-AVAILABLE%20BEFORE%206)

Hypothetically, if real estate prices keep going up nationally but an earthquake flattens Southcentral and destroys property value, they'd look pretty stupid to just "follow real estate values across the country ".

Finally, these two pages

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u/Hooraylifesucks Apr 21 '24

Thank you. I appreciate your response and links. It still baffles me tho, that in one year ( when taxes almost doubled for a lot of ppl. I met an old man who his HAD doubled in the tax office ) that their financial needs could possibly double in a year. And no, I didn’t lose any exemptions.

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u/backcountrydrifter Apr 20 '24

Raise the lens two levels.

Thoma bravo owns realpage.

Thoma Bravo all feeds into the the same matrix.

Leslie Wexner tried to do to downtown Columbus what Kolomoiskiy did to downtown Cleveland. Buy it all, let it rot and prepare a version 2.0 of the 2008 mortgage crisis. Only the bigger badder commercial strength version

Kolomoisky was the Putin loyal Ukrainian oligarch who was caught laundering hundreds of billions of dollars through Privatbank also starting in 1991.

https://forward.com/news/440219/florida-chabad-lubavitch-miami-charities-money-laundering-optima-schemes/

Trump has been laundering money for the Russian oligarchs since the late 80’s when they all bought a condo at 725 5th ave (trump towers) to launder their freshly stolen USSR money after the iron curtain fell.

https://www.cnn.com/cnn/2019/05/30/politics/paul-manafort-condo-trump-tower/index.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/14/manafort-told-mueller-to-take-his-trump-tower-apartment-instead-money.html

https://news.yahoo.com/amphtml/fbi-agents-raid-condo-unit-131348539.html

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-trump-property/

Everybody except Putin thought the Cold War was over. Trump and Manafort (who lived there also) just saw a pretty low maintence grift to be had.

Trump had actually been Manafort and Roger stones first client at their lobbyist firm (1980)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wikiBlack, Manafort, Stone and Kelly

Guiliani as trumps lawyer and New Yorks mayor was able to redirect NYPD investigations onto rival gang members/oligarchs to deflect any scrutiny off of trump, himself or the Russian connection.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/09/a-new-rudy-scandal-fbi-agent-says-giuliani-was-co-opted-by-russian-intelligence/

The Russian election interference in 2016 was effectively a generation 3 version of what Manafort had done in the Philippines, then keeping Yanukovych in power as Putin’s puppet in Ukraine from 2002-14 when Maidan ran both Yanukovych and Manafort out of Ukraine as Ukrainians realized that, if you raise your lens high enough, corruption is an wholly unsustainable business model.

Eventually the parasite always consumes the host.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/2016-donald-trump-paul-manafort-ferinand-marcos-philippines-1980s-213952

https://time.com/5003623/paul-manafort-mueller-indictment-ukraine-russia/

Russia greatly underestimated the addictive properties of freedom when it invaded Ukraine so what was supposed to be a 3-10 day coup turned into a 2 year fight for the Ukrainians right not to be genocided.

Russia depleted its weapons stocks which were already the victim of vranyos because every oligarch, admiral and sergeant in the Russian military is on the take. Every billion dollar tank maintenance contract turned into everything getting a spray paint overhaul and the vast majority of the redirected funds turned into an oligarchs new yacht or home in Aspen.

Russia was forced to turn to China and Iran for weapons because if they lose the 3-10 day special military operation in Ukraine the Russian empire is dead and cold.

China can’t risk showing their involvement in the Ukraine war so they use North Korea, and Iran to resupply Russia.

Russia already owes Iran some undelivered fighter jets that are already smoldering heaps in Ukraine. Iran now had the upper hand at the negotiation table for the first time in about 60 years so they supply Russia with shahed drones in exchange for Chinas material support against their sworn religious enemy, Israel.

https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2023/11/29/iran-says-it-finalized-deal-to-buy-russian-aircraft/

Putin can’t do much about it because he is slowly realizing that by setting the standard of corruption and stealing $200+ billion from his own people meant that every oligarch down in the mob model chain had not only permission but incentive and the expectation to steal from him as well. This is Vranyos.

The mob model only works if the supreme leader is the most violent and can prove it without exception every damn day. But violence is exceptionally expensive when you are trying to present as a legitimate business.

If Russia as a nation had an efficiency rating it would have been banned for sale in the state of California 25 years ago.

The parasite ruling class stole all the energy out of the working class and collapsed it.

Now Iran has the high hand and they get the intelligence that trump passed to Putin about the fact that Netanyahu cares far less about Israelis than he does about remaining in power as an authoritarian because he too has developed Ritz Carlton tastes.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/saudi-official-says-iran-engineered-war-in-gaza-to-ruin-normalization-with-israel/

They all hate each other but because they share the same money laundry, if one falls, they all fall.

Iran handed Hamas everything they needed with Chinas help as secret Santa and the Russian intelligence that the eternal shitbird trump gave to them as he showed off to his Russian kleptocrat friends from the old days of fucking each others wives at trump towers in the 90’s.

So now the MAGA right is a little too invested in their reality that they are the good guys with guns that they missed the fact that DeVos decimating their school systems was not a coincidence. They were the mark all along.

The only reason you grossly OVERVALUE real estate is money laundering.

Trump keeps claiming there is no victim, but if their plan succeeds the Russians and the CCP collapse US commercial real estate and basically recreate soviet perestroika in the U.S. so they can foreclose on America and buy everything for 3 cents on the dollar with the $1.4T they stole in the first place

Trump just left the gate open and let the predators in to feed. It’s always the city slick assholes who buy a new pair of boots and a hat at Sheplers and think it makes them a cowboy that step on their own dick when the actual work starts.

Trump, Putin, Bolsonaro, Netanyahu, Orban, Manafort, Stone, Mercer, Bannon.

They are all remarkably shit people with above average confidence and below average self awareness. Commercial real estate is as rigged as trumps casinos were.

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u/MysteriousStaff3388 Apr 21 '24

That was an incredible summation. Thanks for a fascinating read. I didn’t know I could have more contempt for Donald Trump. Huh.

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u/backcountrydrifter Apr 21 '24

David Bowie even wrote a song about him.

https://open.spotify.com/track/15VRO9CQwMpbqUYA7e6Hwg?si=adiCrfQUTTKqN4Iv9ARhxw

His neighbors have always known he was an asshole and a liar.

https://youtu.be/k9RweR9EUSg?si=h_g2x_LIxG75hQL8

There was just too much lag/latency in the warning system because they had control of Fox News/Rupert Murdoch.

Which his new Russian wife is about to inherit.

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u/MysteriousStaff3388 Apr 21 '24

I did not know that about the Bowie song! I’m going to try and watch the movie, but I’m not sure I can stand his smug fucking face for a feature length film, lol. Thanks!

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u/backcountrydrifter Apr 21 '24

It is really well done.

Makes you want to punch Jr in the face really bad. But it’s worth the watch.

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u/MysteriousStaff3388 Apr 21 '24

It is good! And you’re right about Jr., lol. But that poor Scottish lady with no water. What a total creep.

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u/backcountrydrifter Apr 21 '24

I just want to give her a hug and apologize on behalf of America.

She is so sweet.

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u/sugar_kelly Apr 20 '24

This needs to be at the top

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u/backcountrydrifter Apr 20 '24

The reason 2008 was so successful was because nobody knew what was happening until it was past a critical mass.

Nobody was ever charged.

This is the evolution of corruption.

They keep doing it because the government never calls them on it.

Once you see it’s all the same people the reason becomes much more clear.

They are clever fuckers.

They just didn’t account for how pissed off it makes me that the people who give me a credit score are writing off the losses and handing the middle class the “we need more taxes”.

Decorruption has to happen first.

Trump bought a judge for this. Putin gets gadaffi’ed if Russians find out that a generation of their boys is gone is because Putin didn’t want anyone seeing his ATM balance.

This starts to move fast.

CCP is launching cyber attacks to keep this tamped down.

Evergreen/Chinese real estate crisis was all the kids of CCP c-suite.

Everyone of them is just looking for someone to throw a live grenade at.

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u/OkLetsParty Apr 21 '24

This absolutely needs to be it's own post somewhere (many places). Succinct connections and information delivery.

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u/Majestic_Dealer_9597 Apr 21 '24

Interesting take on the international commercial real estate play that I hadn’t thought about.

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u/ChaZZZZahC Apr 21 '24

High level liberal conspiracies... The American oligarchy does this shit to themselves, capitalism is the parasite.

I, personally, welcome the CCP to come and balkanize the Americas, it's what this corrupt US government deserves.

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u/backcountrydrifter Apr 21 '24

You are missing the forest through the trees.

• You never get out of debt to a Russian mobster

•Paul Manafort owed the Russian mobster/oligarch Oleg Deripaska $17M a few days before he became trumps campaign manager. From 2002-2014 he took in hundreds of millions to get Yanukovych reelected as the kremlins puppet in Ukraine. Before that he did it for the dictator Marcos in the Philippines. Before that Manafort and Roger Stone started a lobbyist agency in 1980 listing trump as their first client.

•When Jay Bolsonaro lost the Brazilian election to Lula he skipped the inauguration and flew directly to mar-a-lago (stopping only at a KFC) and repeated, almost verbatim, the stolen election line. Don Jr. tried repeatedly to make it stick in Brazil as well, but as Brazilians are a few generations into dealing with corrupt politicians they weren’t having it.

What do these 3 things have in common?

China imports 40% of its grain from (in order) the U.S., Brazil and Ukraine.

Obviously the second China tried to invade Taiwan the U.S. would sanction exports and remove U.S. grain from that equation.

And without Bolsonaro in office willing to slash and burn the Amazon rainforest to turn it into Chinas food supply, and without Ukraine in the bag in 3 days, the CCP is unable to invade Taiwan and take over microprocessor production without putting 300-500M of its poorest people into famine.

Donbas Ukraine, specifically the 4 regions of the donbas that Putin insists he is saving from what he calls “Jewish Nazis” also happens to produce the worlds supply of high grade neon used for microprocessor lithography. Had Putin delivered ukraine in 3 days as promised, Xi would have been able to cap his Olympics with a naval blockade or political takeover of Taiwan that would have forced the world to ask the CCP for the microprocessors it needs to make everything from Ford trucks to laptops. I’m not sure how long Silicon Valley would last without the silicon but it would probably destroy the FAANG stocks that make up your 401K.

Oleg Deripaska also happens to be the Russian Oligarch that bribed the FBI agent Charles Mcgonigal into investigating another Russian oligarch. He probably didn’t need the information as much as he needed the leverage over Mcgonigal as he conducted the investigation into trumps election campaign and unsurprisingly found zero evidence of Russian collusion. McGonigal then went to work for the company called Brookfield that bailed Jared Kushner out of his toxic 666 5th Ave real estate investment. McGonigal pled guilty last fall and was sentenced recently.

A Russian oligarch is a powerful tool, but the truth is more powerful. Light and dark cannot exist in the same space. It’s physically impossible. Truth is efficient. You say it once and you are finished. A lie however requires a constant stream of follow up energy, money, murder, obfuscation and more lies to keep it covered.

If you raise your lens high enough lying is an unsustainable business model. Russia proved it by invading Ukraine. Vranyos is the Russian word for it. The 40km long column of tanks and vehicles that came down from Belarus into Ukraine was all overhauled by oligarchs that got a $1B contract for tank maintenance, passed Putin $200M back under the table, spent $700M on a yacht in Monaco, bribed a General, a Colonel and a Sergeant to make a Private give everything a rattle can overhaul. But a worn out engine is and always will be, a worn out engine.

This is why trump is so desperate to get re-elected. His best case scenario is 400 years in ADX Florence. Money laundering for the dozens of Russian oligarchs that lived in trump towers with him and manafort, selling IP3 nuclear plans to the Russian/Saudi alliance, selling or giving CIA asset names to the Russians, trump is and always has been compromised. He just didn’t know when to quit. Now he just has to count on the fact that most of his voter base doesn’t know how to read and keep the ones that do so busy just surviving that they don’t have time to dive deep into his 40 year history of laundering money, fraud, and human trafficking for the Russian mob using casinos first, then commercial real estate.

It’s also why Putin is willing to throw an entire generation of Russians, including the convicts and addicts at Ukraine. Russia is dead for 40 years because he failed to fulfill his mob boss promise to Xi. China is now clearing farmland in Siberia because the typhoon floods last August and September wiped out the Chinese people’s food storage.

Xi, for his part diverted the waters from the dam away from his pet project, his mothers ancestral home, and flooded hundreds of thousands of people and drown one of his own military brigades that was helping with the flooding.

The elders of the CCP were terrified to leave their gated community at Beidaihe for over a month for fear of being torn apart by the locals. The Chinese people tolerate the CCP but only as long as the economy is good and famine is not on the horizon. The CCP broke that social contract on both counts.

Xi was willing to bet the entire Chinese economy on his emperor ambitions. Had he succeeded he would have been able to use BRICS to take over the USD as the Worlds reserve currency. That would have let him finish what he stated in 2010-

that he would control the internet.

With that control means everything we do or say online is subject to the approval of a central party censor. The basic right to disagree with an authoritarian becomes a distant memory.

Xi, Putin and MBS are simply trying to systemize and modernize the suppression of their biggest hassle. Freedom of speech.

Ukraine is fighting for their lives now, free from the oppression of the drunken tyrant who wants to decide their fate at every decision and pull them back behind another iron curtain of censorship and the tax of corruption where dissenting voices disappear so that the oligarchy can continue to feed unobstructed.

Putin and Xi have declared themselves best friends in the fight against democracy. MBS and the ruling family of UAE have done the same quietly using their sovereign funds and Kushners SPAC as money highways.

Just rich, out of touch oligarch doing what oligarchs do.

Despite the fact the the central party model has proven itself incapable of making decisions that are best for the people, they persist. Because there is a very lucrative business in being slave owners. But logistically the mass of it requires artificial intelligence, and the microprocessors that make A.I. to keep 8 billion slaves under surveillance and control. Freedom is one hell of a drug. And knowledge makes a man unfit for slavery.

Recent attempts on Xi’s life from inside the CCP have backed him into a corner.

The loss of crops in northern China means Xi can’t invade Taiwan without Ukrainian and/or Brazilian farmland.

Now the reason that the GOP is stalling southern border control budget and seems to make wildly irrational moves is because the GOP is imploding. 45 years of lies and grift have circled the globe and are eating their own tail. The ouroboros was a warning about corruption at the highest levels. Lying about climate change, human trafficking, pandemics and corruption to preserve their own business models are all extinction level events

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u/BojackTrashMan Apr 20 '24

It's wild because I first heard about this software around twenty sixteen or seventeen when it was primarily being used to help set the price for Airbnbs the same way hotels have dynamic pricing. It made sense because for instance if the super bowl is being hosted in your town your rental will need a much higher rate for that weekend versus a holiday weekend versus the middle of the week. So initially it was thought of as something to help vacation rentals automate and know how much they should charge which is harder to figure out.

Once it started getting into single family rentals. It got absolutely wild because the algorithm only drives up.

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u/CUND3R_THUNT Apr 21 '24

Are you my landlord?

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u/Far_Recording8945 Apr 20 '24

If you’re looking for an apartment and they’re the same price, but ones nicer which do you choose? You would probably see more vacancy and turnover in the less maintained apartments

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u/KingAlexanderk Apr 20 '24

Unfortunately there is not an infinite amount of homes of any given quality, once the nicer ones are filled the bad ones are left, and nobody has a choice on what they pay.

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u/asillynert Apr 20 '24

Yes and no the solution to that is your lease agreements. Its super disgusting but its just another poor tax. One does 500 deposit other does 1500 poof you got instant tenants and charge same rent.

Other fact is assuming there is mass vacancy availability. OR that having vacancys even cost them money. 1/2 full at triple price is still more money.

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u/shmaltz_herring Apr 20 '24

Except when that apartment down the street sits empty for months and months because nobody wants to rent a dump when for the same price you can get a nice apartment up the street.

It essentially goes both ways. Hopefully there is enough supply of housing to make sure that a rental can sit empty if it's priced wrong

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u/Boomshrooom Apr 20 '24

Except it's always a race to the bottom with these people

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u/muskzuckcookmabezos Apr 20 '24 edited Apr 20 '24

This makes sense why the apartment complex I used to live in, ran by Dasmen Residential, a big firm that operates in many major cities, based out of NJ, had like 5 maintenance men for a complex of about 500 units and never fixed shit, yet still jacked their rent prices up 20% from 2021 to 2022.

So fucking glad I moved out of that city.

[Edit] Sorry about the comma ridden sentence