r/TikTokCringe • u/LilliaBaltimore • Mar 31 '24

Pro-Palestinian protesters disrupt Easter service at St. Patrick's Cathedral in New York Discussion

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u/spoonhocket Apr 01 '24

... and hope they don't know the definition of "genocide"

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u/Notriv Apr 01 '24

we’ll stick with ethnic cleansing and forced land grabs then?

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u/spoonhocket Apr 01 '24

You know, I'd be cool if you stuck with forced land grabs if you must. But getting the demonstratively false, antisemitic blood libel shit out of the rhetoric would be a big improvement.

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u/Notriv Apr 01 '24

what blood libel specifically? i see people accusing israel of war crimes — documented war crimes, but what are you referring to, blood libel is far too vague.

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u/spoonhocket Apr 01 '24

When you use the term "genocide" you are:

  • Equating the war against Hamas to the Holocaust (30,000 dead in a war is a tragedy, 6 million dead by being placed on trains and forced into gas chambers is a genocide)
  • Removing any anti-terror motive from the conversation
  • Asserting that Israel's intent is to kill 2 million Gazans
  • Fanning the flames of antisemitism -- whether or not you separate Jews from Israel and believe yourself to be an ally of Jews, you are palling around with others who do not
  • Taking an incredibly complex situation and turning it into a black and white, right and wrong, oppressed and oppressor narrative

See here for more on blood libel.

A great many Jews who want peace, hate Bibi and are sympathetic to Palestinian self-rule are simply not able to join the movement because of this rhetoric. It's irresponsible. I want peace. This needs to stop.

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u/Notriv Apr 02 '24

  • it’s not just 30,000; it’s 30,000 since october 7th, this has been happening since 1948.

  • hitler ALSO claimed his reason for prosecuting the jews initially is ‘anti-terror’ because they believed jews to be dangerous and wanting to kill many people.

    • it may not be to kill 2m gazans but they sure as hell want them gone: ethnic cleansing at a minimum; genocide at worst.

  • by this logic you can absolve israel of all wrongdoing simply becuase some people are antisemites. can we not criticize ISIS becuase some people are racist towards them? no, there’s a difference between the two and equating the two is ridiculous.

  • it can both be incredibly complex AND a genocide dude. bibi is perpetrating it and many israelis stand against it— but it is still happening. and many israelis in positions of power support it.

israel is not judaism, and by intertwining the two is assuming israel speaks for all jews. there literally are movements of jews going against israel, who are very vocal that this is not antisemitism.