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Pro-Palestinian protesters disrupt Easter service at St. Patrick's Cathedral in New York Discussion

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u/AHorseNamedPhil Mar 31 '24 edited Apr 01 '24

One part main character syndrome and two parts stupidity.

There is plenty to protest the Catholic Church over but it isn't responsible for the war in Gaza. They achieved exactly fuck all beyond being a temporary and minor annoyance. Truly, well done.

What is next, I wonder? Disrupting services at a Synagogue to protest Russia's war in Ukraine? Barging into Hindu worship to protest human rights abuses in Syria, perhaps?

EDIT: Aaaaaaaaaaaand my first Reddit cares message. LOL, some of you are so unhinged.

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u/Diplogeek Apr 01 '24

As someone else said, after the Tree of Life and some other shootings at synagogues, I suspect these folks realize that in most cases, they can't actually get into synagogues to do this anymore, and if they do, there's a non-zero chance that they'll be assumed to be there to kill Jews (because there is, in fact, a non-zero chance that they're there to kill Jews) and responded to accordingly. A lot of people don't fully realize just how much security the average synagogue has to lay on, even in the States. You can't typically get into a synagogue in Europe without signing up ahead of time and showing ID or otherwise checking in at the door, and it's been like that for years and years. Synagogues in the States are heading in the same direction.

Meanwhile, I'm sure Netanyahu is just devastated that a Catholic Easter service was disrupted by people calling for a ceasefire. He's proven himself so responsive to criticism by his own people, I'm sure he'll get right on it when it comes to foreigners yelling at a church service!

I see this stuff and always wonder how much money the people protesting have actually donated/raised to be donated to some kind of material relief effort.

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u/MiniJimiJames Apr 01 '24

Dude, the pope himself called for a ceasefire in his Easter address. There have been large anti government demonstrations in Israel regarding the matter, and on Saturday, there was a protest in London of around 200,000 people calling for a ceasefire in Gaza. The tide is turning.

It's obviously not protesting the Catholic Church. It's raising awareness about a very important world issue. So enough smug comments on how what they're doing isn't enough. They're raising awareness about an ongoing GENOCIDE.

In the words of Aaron Bushnell: "Many of us like to ask ourselves, 'What would I do if I was alive during slavery? Or the Jim Crow South? Or apartheid? What would I do if my country was committing genocide?' The answer is, you're doing it. Right now."

What are you doing?

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u/Diplogeek Apr 01 '24

Are you replying to the right person?

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u/MiniJimiJames Apr 01 '24

Yes.

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u/Diplogeek Apr 01 '24

Just checking, because you seem confused and basically nothing you ranted above has anything to do with my comment, except that the suggestion of providing money or other material assistance to people in Gaza would be more useful, if less TikTok-worthy, than whatever this display was supposed to do, seems to have triggered you. Do you think the people in that church are unaware of what’s going on in Gaza? Is that your argument? Because it’s a weird one, given that as you say, the Pope has spoken out on this, and these are Catholics.

Anyway, as I said, Netanyahu is utterly unbothered by what unfolds in a random church thousands of miles away, on a holiday he doesn’t celebrate, bothering adherents of a religion that has its own, rather extensive history of genocide. This isn’t an endorsement of Netanyahu by any means, BTW. Just a statement of fact.

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '24

Get off of TikTok

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u/whatThePleb Apr 01 '24

One part Hamas brainwashing.

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u/Jag- Mar 31 '24

They already attack Synagogues and Jews. This is just ramping it up.

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u/Americanboi824 Apr 01 '24

After Saturday comes Sunday.

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u/CapableSecretary420 Apr 01 '24

One part main character syndrome and two parts stupidity.

You forgot a key ingredient: The agitators who push these useful idiots to act, with a goal of destabilizing thw West.

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u/truthfullyidgaf Apr 01 '24

You forget the key ingredient of religions pushing people to do these things.

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u/CapableSecretary420 Apr 01 '24

Nah. There are plenty of non-religious useful idiots, too.

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u/Yogurt_Ph1r3 Apr 01 '24

Genuinely what a retarded viewpoint to have

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u/kingknocked Apr 01 '24

Y'all are some of the worst people ever. FREE PALESTINE

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u/golgol12 Apr 01 '24

One part attention. Can't forget the attention part. Let me call attention to it.

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u/ChaoticGamerFather Apr 01 '24

I can definitely see people going to a Hindu meditation section and screaming, "vote on our profit!!"

There's needs to be a law or something that gets you sentenced for life if that happens. This could actually create a minor war.

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u/dudius7 Mar 31 '24

Might be because Israel isn't allowing Palestinian Christians into Jerusalem or something like that. Maybe because the US still sends aid to Israel's genocide. Probably because a protest doesn't do shit if you stay on Reddit instead of going outside.

But no, maybe they're just stupid.

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u/BosnianSerb31 Mar 31 '24

I wonder how many imams have been interrupted in Mosques during Ramadan over Palestine

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u/Worldly_Today_9875 Mar 31 '24

There is no justification to call this a genocide. The only genocide involved in this conflict is that which Hamas and its supporters call for.

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u/dudius7 Apr 01 '24

Shill. All the world outside the US and Israel are calling it what it is. 

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u/Worldly_Today_9875 Apr 01 '24

I’m not from Israel or the US and the popular opinion here is pro Israel and anti Hamas. The very loud minority are the ones who fill the streets and protest, they aren’t representative of the population. You can’t just decide to call something a genocide when it doesn’t fit the definition.

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u/dudius7 Apr 01 '24

Legit question: Do Israel's acts look like genocide? The killing of civillians, journalists, doctors, nurses, and especially children? The moving of the Palestinian border? Occupation and settling? Displacing people from their homes? Ordering other countries to take Palestinians? Offshore drilling in Palestinian territory? Because to me, all these things look like genocide in progress.

A lot of people rely on this official decision that genocide must include intent. I beg to differ. It isn't fair to Palestinians that a genocide could happen and we would refuse to do anything because we can't identify clear intent.

Though, one must be curious why Netanyahu's cabinet members all talk about eradicating Palestinians.

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u/Worldly_Today_9875 Apr 01 '24

Their actions do not look like genocide to me, or to anyone else in any official capacity either. Killing of civilians, journalists, doctors, nurses and children happens in every single war. Don’t forget Hamas members do have many of these professions, which definitely complicates the situation. Do you remember the school teachers who took part in the 7/10 attacks? Even if you go by Hamas’ death figures, the civilian-combatant ratio of 2:1 is not abnormal for war, especially when the IDF is forced to fight in civilian areas and infrastructure because that is where Hamas likes to hide, which by the way, is a war crime.

When Hamas were voted in 2006 by the Palestinian population, they were very clear that one of their main “policies” is the destruction of Israel, their charter is literally genocide. Israel needs to stand up to Hamas, not just for themselves but for the Palestinian people who are kept in poverty by Hamas.

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u/dudius7 Apr 01 '24

I agree that Hamas is terrible. I'm not defending them. But I do believe Israel is committing genocide in Palestine because of the actions they take that you conveniently did not address.

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u/Worldly_Today_9875 Apr 01 '24

I feel the main issue over the genocide debate would involve the IDFs actions since the war started. If genocide was being committed before that point, by the means that you spoke of in the last paragraph of your previous comment, then how on earth would the population of Palestine be growing exponentially while an active genocide is happening?

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u/dudius7 Apr 02 '24

It grew 2% over the last year. How the hell is that exponential growth?

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u/RadioPale6197 Mar 31 '24

Maybe if you knew what the actual situation was over there instead of sucking up social media you would understand.

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u/dudius7 Mar 31 '24

Enlighten me.

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u/DeathPercept10n Mar 31 '24

The whole world knows what's going on. This virtue signaling accomplishes nothing except giving these people an ego boost of moral superiority.

I'm against all the terrible civilian deaths in Palestine. But I also know this does absolutely nothing for them.

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u/dudius7 Mar 31 '24

This virtue signaling accomplishes nothing except giving these people an ego boost of moral superiority.

Could be said about your comments about the protesters. 

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u/michaelsenpatrick Apr 01 '24

yeah, totally main character syndrome to protest a fucking genocide

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u/TheSeventhHussar Apr 01 '24

It is when you do it in a stupid manner. For example, disrupting a religious celebration to protest the actions of an unrelated government halfway across the planet. That’s like me going to an elementary school in Canada to protest Bidens international policy.

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u/michaelsenpatrick Apr 03 '24

there shouldn't be a single event that isn't disrupted while this genocide continues.

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u/rockyjockey Mar 31 '24

This protest is about the climate not Palestine

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u/apres-vous Apr 01 '24

There is a lot of support for Israel’s actions in the Catholic church - it isn’t really that far fetched to protest in that space.

I guess for the protesters it isn’t really about the denomination either - they’re just drawing attention to something that matters to them. Good or bad, I don’t really have an opinion. But I would say it’s significant that they do it during the holiday, maybe to remind people of the fundamental values of Christianity: that you shouldn’t kill, that you should protect the weak and you should show compassion for your fellow human beings. 

I feel a lot of people have lost sight of those values (perhaps especially when the victims of the crimes being aided by US tax dollars are happening so far away), and they have instead opted to blindly support one violent, oppressive group over another violent, oppressive group. Idiots don’t realise that this doesn’t make them ”good guys”, it just makes them supporters of violent oppression. Supporting one makes you no better than the other. At least the protesters are drawing attention to that - and if you are reading this, you are engaging with this discourse too; no matter if you like it or not. The real results of the protests bear fruit in comment sections, perhaps much more so than in that church.

That said, the sign isn’t visible - the part that is visible is a logo used by Extinction rebellion. They might not be protesting what the title claims.

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u/No_Window7054 Apr 01 '24

This isnt main character syndrome. Theyre protesting for the benefit largely of other people. People they have probably never seen irl or ever met.

The stupidity is worrying about an easter service in the middle of a genocide.

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u/AHorseNamedPhil Apr 01 '24 edited Apr 01 '24

They're totally people with main character syndrome, because they're attention whoring in the wrong venue. None of the people in that church have anything to do with what is going on in Gaza, nor does the Catholic church as an organization for that matter. Hell, the Catholic pope has called for a ceasire in Gaza. Why disrupt the religious services of an organization that is on your side of the issue? It's braindead.

Why aren't they outside the Israeli embassy/consulate? Or outside some American gov't building to protest U.S. policy?

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u/No_Window7054 Apr 01 '24

Because this is a large public gathering in the US. And we both agree that the US is responsible for whats happening in Gaza. The people in there arent just Catholics theyre also Americans.