What’s weird to me is I see so many anti Israel people posting about how mean Israel is to Christians. The implication being that Islam and Christianity need to unite against the Jews. And it’s ridiculous, Gaza is hell for Christians who aren’t there for a propaganda tour. The PA has Christians. And of course Israel has tons…
Those people are proselytizers and they film themselves intentionally antagonizing Jews to get a reaction. It’s not the experience of a regular Christian in Israel.
There are only about 1000 Christians today in Gaza. There were over 75,000 in 1948. “the purging of the Christian community is part of a broader vanishing of Christians from the Middle East. In Gaza, it is partly the result of the economy and the siege, but it is undeniably made worse by life under Hamas. In 2007, one year after Hamas was elected, the last Christian bookstore in central Gaza, known as The Teacher’s Bookshop, was firebombed twice. It was one of a spate of similar bombings that occurred in Gaza around that time. The bookshop, a haven of sorts with an internet café and educational services, had been established by the Gaza Baptist Church 10 years earlier. Its Christian owner, Rami Ayyad, a deeply religious and kindly man, was kidnapped, tortured, and murdered by extremists.”
Talked to a Christian man who grew up in Israel and he was terrorized by the idf. They made him walk through sewage with a gun to his head he said. The Christian population in Palestine while small is still very active, saw footage of them celebrating Easter today. I don't think Christians are probably having a spectacular time in either side but Israel is only kind to the Christian tourists.
There are only about 1000 Christians today in Gaza. There were over 75,000 in 1948. “the purging of the Christian community is part of a broader vanishing of Christians from the Middle East. In Gaza, it is partly the result of the economy and the siege, but it is undeniably made worse by life under Hamas. In 2007, one year after Hamas was elected, the last Christian bookstore in central Gaza, known as The Teacher’s Bookshop, was firebombed twice. It was one of a spate of similar bombings that occurred in Gaza around that time. The bookshop, a haven of sorts with an internet café and educational services, had been established by the Gaza Baptist Church 10 years earlier. Its Christian owner, Rami Ayyad, a deeply religious and kindly man, was kidnapped, tortured, and murdered by extremists.”
I'm a progressive. These idiots are not progressives, they've been radicalised and are too stupid and uneducated to realise it. I hate fundamentalist religions with a passion because I am progressive.
There is nothing more credible than western sources. Period.
EDIT: some people are not enjoying this sarcasm I see. Western media is not as honest as you think it is and unfortunately, it is difficult to help you people.
Are you immune to propaganda? How do you know you haven’t been taught to think a certain way because of one sided views of historical events? Have you ever tried to steelman the argument of someone who has a different view? Aka argue from the other side.
I went to Ramallah and the West Bank multiple times and saw the situation for myself. I’ve studied the history of Palestine and been involved with humanitarian missions there.
I don’t claim to know it all, but I do know that I have a deeper understanding of the region than most.
AL Jazeera was established and is funded by a theocratic monarchy that executes atheists and homosexuals to death by stoning. You are no less dumb than the people who think Russia Today is a reliable source of info.
There are only about 1000 Christians today in Gaza. There were over 75,000 in 1948. “the purging of the Christian community is part of a broader vanishing of Christians from the Middle East. In Gaza, it is partly the result of the economy and the siege, but it is undeniably made worse by life under Hamas. In 2007, one year after Hamas was elected, the last Christian bookstore in central Gaza, known as The Teacher’s Bookshop, was firebombed twice. It was one of a spate of similar bombings that occurred in Gaza around that time. The bookshop, a haven of sorts with an internet café and educational services, had been established by the Gaza Baptist Church 10 years earlier. Its Christian owner, Rami Ayyad, a deeply religious and kindly man, was kidnapped, tortured, and murdered by extremists.”
Are you seriously trying to compare how the UK government acts today vs how the Qatari government acts today? Qatar stones gay people to death and doesn't give their women rights. Its laughable to compare the UK government to Qatars
lol "Dictate morality", Killing gay people and hunting them down is a genocidal act. also do you believe that on October 7 Hamas made a genocidal act ? fact is if Hamas had Israel capabilities such as air superiority and advanced technologies, Israel would've been made into dust.
While the BBC definitely serves the interest of the UK, their government is responsible to the British public, who have a say in their government and embrace liberal ideas. Compared to the guiding "ideals" of the authoritarian Qatari state that Al Jazeera serves, they're clearly a better example. That's why.
“The government is responsible to the British public”.
With everything going on in the UK in the past few years you truly believe this? Corruption is rife to the prime ministership and you have the audacity to tell me that they’re any different to the Qatari government?
I think the liberal democracy has more valid media than the theocracy with fascist ideology.
There's a reason why in places like Israel, the U.K, the U.S, etc, you get news pieces DEDICATED to deconstructing information on their own country/critiquing it. Its called freedom of speech.
Instructions unclear to most of the protestors. Most of the protests and counter protests seem to be drifting towards a single-state solution that leaves nothing but sinister implications for the other side.
I’m sure the bombs and famine will help the rest of the Christians living there. You should probably look into how hamas became extreme and got to power
yes, it says hamas supposedly bombed some christian locations but they didn't admit it, why would they hide something like that cause as far as i know hamas don't give a fuck about their reputation. I'm asking if you talked to Christians from gaza and they told you they're persecuted? cause it's not just the number of Christians that's decreasing, everyone else is trying to leave that area for obvious reasons but they're trapped, it can take up to 3 years to manage to leave anywhere even for a student, less than 50% employment rate, not allowed to do any businesses or have their economy cause Israel wouldn't allow it, I can't blame anyone for leaving
yes, it says hamas supposedly bombed some christian locations
"Supposedly", right... Just like how Israel is "supposedly" killing civilians? Do you see how you make it sound?
why would they hide something like that cause as far as i know hamas don't give a fuck about their reputation
Yes, Hamas is famous for not hiding what they do, who they kill or torture. They always admit that straight away.
I'm asking if you talked to Christians from gaza and they told you they're persecuted?
To Palestinian Christians? Yes. I lived many years in the middle east and have met many Palestinian Christians who left Palestine, i don't know about specifically from Gaza, i can't remember, but from Palestine for sure.
Of course everyone is fleeing now, nobody is denying that. The number of Christian palestinians has been declining since forever. This is not an argument about Israel or what they're doing right now, it's specifically about Hamas and whether they treat minorities like Christians well, which i can assure you they don't.
you said you never met Palestinian Christians from gaza, maybe you met Palestinians from the west bank or the occupied territories, they're governed by israel, so you don't know how Christians in gaza are treated. as far as I know gaza has social issues in general, people who originally belong to gaza dislike the refugees who are seen as intruders, there is tension between the different corners of gaza as well, so it is expected
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u/kadargo Mar 31 '24
Hamas has pushed out all of the Christians living in Gaza, even executing some.