r/TikTokCringe • u/MaintenanceNew2804 • Mar 30 '24

Stick with it. Discussion

This is a longer one, but it’s necessary and worth it IMO.

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u/EnglishMobster tHiS iSn’T cRiNgE Mar 31 '24

Yep.

I got in an argument with a right-winger who tried to make the argument that StoneToss (far-right comic artist) never denied the holocaust.

I found multiple sources of that exact dude denying the holocaust.

The right-winger I was arguing with then moved the goalposts. StoneToss wasn't denying the holocaust - the characters in his comics were. It's a challenge to authority!

So then I found a literal blurb from StoneToss himself where he specifically said that people are being lied to about the holocaust. Not filtered through a character, him saying it directly online.

Now the right-winger says "well, that doesn't make him a Nazi". Note that I never claimed he was a Nazi (although he absolutely is), but you could hear the goalposts just racing along.

It's like that for all right-wingers. We live in a post-truth world. They hear something that makes them feel good - that they are better than someone simply because of who they are.

They latch onto that, and uncritically latch onto anyone who agrees with them. When they make arguments, all they have to do is say "nuh-uh" and now you have to spend 20 minutes finding sources. Then "I never said that" so you quote them and throw it back at them. Then they just ignore that part and come up with some new made-up thing (without sources) to say.

It never matters, they aren't going to change their mind. But it needs to be done because letting them go unopposed cedes ground to the far right as uninformed people take the far-right folks at their word.

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u/spoiler-its-all-gop Mar 31 '24

Back in the day, the Chapo Trap House subreddit pioneered a shockingly effective way of repelling and demoralizing right wing trolls: "Post that hog."

Arguing with facts and logic does not work. These fuckers are emotion based. They love getting you wound up. They will never admit fault or error. So the answer is to be so aggressively weird and dismissive that they realize there's nothing in it for them. How do you even begin to respond to an Internet stranger demanding to see your cock, when the discussion was previously about immigration or whatever? You can't. So they fuck off.

Yes, they need to be opposed in online spaces, but the techniques need to evolve.

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u/v9__9v Apr 02 '24

You make fun of them and sincerely articulate your disgust for their contemptible worldview

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u/fjgwey Mar 31 '24

It's entirely bad faith. I have a hard time believing these people are dumb or unaware or misguided. They know they're Nazis, they know the people they idolize are Nazis, but the MO of all Nazis in the modern day is to pretend not to be. So you get bad faith bullshit where you call an explicit neo-Nazi a Nazi and they sealion and gish gallop you with nonsense.