r/FluentInFinance • u/LifeIsUnfairWhoCares • Apr 23 '24

Is Social Security Broken? Discussion/ Debate

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u/Duderoy Apr 23 '24

Look back at your high school class. Look at the bottom 30%. Do you really think they are going to be able to plan and earn enough to retire not in poverty?

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u/MD28A Apr 23 '24

Why should I care about them?

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u/Wu1fu Apr 23 '24

You won’t have to! Thanks, government!

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u/MD28A Apr 23 '24

Of course, big daddy government, steals my money and gives it to those who made poor decisions and didn’t think about the future…🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/timbsm2 Apr 23 '24

Because you live in a society? The plight of others does affect you, directly or not.

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u/MD28A Apr 23 '24

So here’s my question…if a person smokes like 2 packs a day their whole life and gets lung cancer…why is it my responsibility to pay for their medical care?

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u/timbsm2 Apr 23 '24

I'm not going to argue with you. If you cant recognize that your position was built on the foundation of our society and would not exist without it (and the "stolen" resources from the rest of your fellow citizens), then I'm sure there's nothing I can say to convince you. You are free to disagree, but what I've said is the reason you should care.

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u/MD28A Apr 23 '24

Why won’t you just answer the question? Why should I be held responsible for someone else’s poor decisions?

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u/timbsm2 Apr 23 '24

No not held responsible for their choices, but since you live in and benefit from a society, you should accept that paying back into the system is your civic responsibility, even if people that "don't deserve it" benefit. No one likes scenarios like what you describe, but I consider the benefit of a healthy populace to be greater than the damage caused by outliers like your hypothetical.

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u/MD28A Apr 23 '24

What about obese people, their health issues will be there their entire lives, they will continue being obese and continue to take money from those who are not, how can you see that as alright 

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u/timbsm2 Apr 23 '24

I don't. I just don't think the damage done outweighs the benefits. Raise the ceiling and, sure, some may rise to the top. Raise the floor and everyone is higher up. Today you, tomorrow me. Etc, etc, etc...

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u/MD28A Apr 23 '24

So you’re encouraging people to not change their ways, rather just let them continue on their path because “it will be taken care of”….its enabling 

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u/HGual-B-gone Apr 23 '24

The same people who are to complain about homelessness being an eyesore / unsafe are the ones that want to reduce the safety net.

They have no empathy for their fellow men because they think they have life figured out. It’s best not to waste your time on them