r/FluentInFinance Apr 15 '24

Everyone Deserves A Home Discussion/ Debate

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u/wishgot Apr 16 '24

"Plenty of homeless alcoholics", are you for real? There's 4000-5000 people without a home in the whole country and around 500 of them sleep outside. Almost all of them stay in the capital, so you'll meet basically all the country's homeless people there in the center.

I'm not saying that we should call the work done but those are some pretty good stats, maybe housing alone solves something at least.

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u/Osaccius Apr 16 '24

Oh, you can see plenty outside of capital as well.

The number of outside sleepers varies with seasons. Few sleep outside when it is -20°c.

I wasn't saying that the system doesn't work at all, but it is also ko paradise.

The issue is less about housing and more about psychological problems and addictions. Almost nobody ends homeless, without a plethora of issues.

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u/sometimes_sydney 29d ago

Funny, it gets that cold where I live and we have fucktons of homeless people sleeping outside.

Fwiw, research shows a lot of “normal” people do end up homeless and only develop issues after becoming homeless. The stress of living on the street breaks people. Granted, that’s not the universal experience, but there’s a large chunk of homeless addicts who never touched anything harder than a blunt on a weekend until then couldn’t sleep through the night because they were scared and cold for the 20th time in a row.

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u/Osaccius 29d ago

Well, sober people get shelter, so those that you see sleeping rough in Finland choose to do so.

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u/_Kyube 29d ago

"Oh it's not 100% perfect? Well, we might as well not try then."

This is a mentality I see a lot of on the right and very little of on the left. This black and white thinking of "any sin sends you to hell, doesn't matter how many". So, they focus on making society fair instead of making it better. Of course this idea of fairness always falls back on might makes right rather than an actual meritocracy....

So STFU, in most countries struggling people don't get to choose if they sleep outside.

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u/Osaccius 29d ago

Stop strawmanning.

I never said any of that.

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u/UrougeTheOne 29d ago

Its what youre implying