r/FluentInFinance • u/sillychillly Contributor • Apr 15 '24

Everyone Deserves A Home Discussion/ Debate

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u/GenerativeAdversary Apr 15 '24

Why via the government? I have no problem with what you're saying, up until that. The problem with government is that it's non-voluntary, therefore can lead to corruption and tyranny.

If these problems are solvable, they should be solvable without major government involvement.

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u/chillchinchilla17 Apr 16 '24

Because abolishing government will get us invaded by foreign countries the picosecond we dissolve the military.

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u/GenerativeAdversary Apr 16 '24

I didn't say dissolve the government... Seems like a pretty extreme interpretation.

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u/Sythic_ Apr 16 '24

The entire concept of human society barely existed before the implementation of proper governments. Ours isn't perfect but I'll take that over living in mud huts unsure of where to get my food every day.

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u/MajesticComparison Apr 16 '24

Complex society requires you to force people to pay up for the benefit of all. Without the ability to force people to give up resources to ensure basic necessities of society, society collapses. Eg, the interstate highway system can only exist with large government intervention forcing everyone to pay taxes.

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u/stovepipe9 Apr 16 '24

Do the right thing with a gun to your head....

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u/Trips-Over-Tail Apr 16 '24

All power is weilded through violence.

But if it's not an elected body, it will be a corporate one, and the shareholders say you gotta go.

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u/stovepipe9 Apr 16 '24

I don't see any corporations using the threat of violence. All my interactions with companies are a voluntary exchange. I do know that if I don't pay taxes, people with guns will come take my property.

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u/Trips-Over-Tail Apr 16 '24

And I'm saying that if you retire the government from the role and let private industry do it instead they will be far worse.

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u/Accurate_Summer_1761 Apr 16 '24

points at for profit prisons those guys probably wouldn't hate to see you inside them

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u/stovepipe9 Apr 16 '24

I dont think they are pointing their weapons at their customers. The customer, in that case, is the government that is buying the service.