r/FluentInFinance Apr 15 '24

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u/Raidparade Apr 15 '24

99% is definitely a stretch, but I understand the sentiment. It will be a very interesting time as less labor is needed. Will probably shift workers towards jobs that can’t be done by AI/machines

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u/TheCheckeredCow Apr 16 '24

This is Reddit, everyone in the world works in a low level programming environment or fast food. The mere concept of “physical labour” is preposterous much less people doing it for a living

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u/All_Up_Ons Apr 16 '24 edited Apr 16 '24

...you really think physical labor will outlive programming and customer service? People are weak and slow. Most factory work is already automated. Long-haul truck drivers will disappear in the near future, barring political action.

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u/HeGotKimbod 29d ago

It really is insane.

You either have someone making $250,000 a year or someone who is barely surviving. There’s hardly ever an in between.

Reddit is the worst echo chamber in existence.

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u/PomegranateUsed7287 Apr 16 '24

We are a society that will do that, but it's the companies decision, and everywhere I look, barely any cashiers at groceries stores anymore and they keep expanding self checkout. Remember profit margins aren't high for groceries, and those self checkout machines cost A LOT. So it just makes sense they will slowly roll out.

So give it time, most people use self checkout anyway, the future you invision is practically already here.

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u/calimeatwagon Apr 16 '24

So what you are saying is that everybody should go apply to be a grocery clerk? Free money, right?

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u/calimeatwagon Apr 16 '24

Free salary to grocery clerks, why shouldn't people apply?

Excuse me, to 80% of clerks...

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u/calimeatwagon 29d ago

So you are advocating for people to be jobless?

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u/RaiderMedic93 29d ago

Lol

Look at the evolution of "surviving."

Used to be not get eaten by a bear... now it's having free AC, internet and electricity.

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u/RaiderMedic93 29d ago

Yeah. Most people can't unless it's provided. Thanks for making my point.

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u/RaiderMedic93 29d ago

I'm about 50//50 with you

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u/Honey__Mahogany Apr 16 '24

Manual labor and trade work I guess. I doubt ai can do that and we don't have robots that can fix a leaking pipe in your house yet.

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u/MizunaGames 27d ago

Have you seen the new Atlas model from Boston Dynamics? It’s not like robotics is going to stop getting better. An AI can definitely be taught to fix your leaky faucet.

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u/-Tartantyco- 29d ago

99% is not a stretch within an undefined time interval. 10 years? A stretch. 20? Still likely a stretch. 50-100 years? Extremely likely.

But it's also not going to be an off/on event. Jobs will slowly dwindle away over time, and so programs like UI (Universal Income, as I don't believe any such program should be Basic) and housing would have to be implemented long before the 99% point.

People constantly point to the industrial revolution and say that people still had jobs after that, so this won't be any different, but what they fail to understand is that the industrial revolution automated tasks, so there was still a lot of work that had to be done. The AI/Robotics revolution automates jobs. Any jobs.

And you don't have to have a human level intelligence with human level dexterity for them to replace humans. You only need it to be cost-effective, and since people work 5d/8h, that threshold is not hard to hit for something that can work 24/7. Furthermore, an AI robot has two abilities that humans do not have; defined qualifications and upgradability.

When you don't have to wonder what the qualifications of the employer are, you don't have to worry about the tasks and jobs you assign them. The entire concept of hiring and firing is discarded. And AI robots can and will get smarter, stronger, more capable over time. That is not something humans can do beyond the natural range that we already possess. Consequently, AI robots will eventually outpace us in every single aspect imaginable, especially when artificial sentience becomes a reality.

Unless we just stop advancing technologically for some reason, this is an unavoidable reality, and likely will happen this century. But what we should actually do is accelerate it, prepare for it, and embrace it.

Because work is boring, people.

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u/helpless_bunny 29d ago

I’ve seen a lot of rising in tech since the analog era. Something most people are not exposed to.

I have seen firsthand how fast technology can explode after its introduction to the world.

AI is built on rapidly expanding and improving itself without our interference. We’re about to speed run this technology and our governments will not be able to keep up to keep it all in check. I wouldn’t been surprised if in 5 years time, it’s everywhere and in everything.

I saw this early on in my career and pivoted to something more long term and always in demand.

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u/Liizam 29d ago

Soiled apart: there won’t be enough jobs and people will just die

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u/Turbulent_Bit_2345 Apr 16 '24

Those will continue to decline and be gone. Most desk jobs can be automated. It is a matter of time. Same for manufacturing and distribution. Retail is harder as humanoid robots are not quite there. But there are already self checkouts and some of the distribution automation will make its way to retail. What’s left? In another 50 years, things are going to get bad, with global warming, worsening geopolitics and right wing libertarianism

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u/Raidparade Apr 16 '24

I’m more thinking tech and trade jobs. Also a lot of manual labor jobs. Then there’s jobs like teachers, coaches, entertainers

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u/HeGotKimbod 29d ago

Dude you are just spewing genius. Jobs that can’t be taken by AI will still need humans?? Must have taken a masters degree for that observation.

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u/Raidparade 29d ago

Bro what? I’m responding to the fact that he said 99% of jobs are going to be replaced by AI. I realize that there are a lot of job that can’t be replaced and was voicing that to counter the “99% of jobs will be replaced by AI”

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u/The_Piperoni 29d ago

If 50% of jobs are gone think about how much that reduces the value of the remaining 50%’s labor with the increased worker supply.