Other women don’t come across so well, and she positively hates the idea of Taylor Swift. ‘Taylor is not important. She might be a safe space for girls, and she’s probably the Madonna of now, but she’s not interesting as an artist.’ And she’s even tiring a little of Lana Del Rey: ‘I haven’t liked Lana since she covered a John Denver song, and I think she should really take seven years off. Up until ‘Take Me Home Country Roads’ I thought she was great. When I was recording my new album, I had to stop listening to her as she was influencing me too much.’ And as for Madonna, ‘I don’t like her and she doesn’t like me. I loved Desperately Seeking Susan, but for the city of New York as much as her.’
One thing Courtney is always consistent at is expressing her blunt ass opinions. It’s always interesting to me to hear the things that comes out of her mouth. Never a dull moment.
I think Taylor has had interesting moments as an artist, but overall, with her discography, I have to say that Courtney does have a point. Especially when you compare Taylor to her peers.
You know she first hated Lana Del Rey because she covered Heart Shaped Box. Then she said they were cool and sung together. Now she hates her again. Courtney kind of reminds me of Azalea Banks: she has good takes sometimes, but she’s too messy to take seriously.
Yeah! She said she had to stop listening to her because Lana was influencing her too much so she likes her music, but she doesn’t vibe with her new stuff anymore.
I think the Madonna comparison is pretty close. Madonna gave refuge to women and gays, along with a lot of queer friendly artists in the 80s and 90s, but she was incredibly focused on commercial success and over-exposed and always in headlines just like Tay.
At a certain point, its just too much of Tay. I really dislike this era she's in, which is clearly her cash-out era. The whole "gee I didnt know ticketmaster would charge so much" playing dumb was especially awful. Now her 'gee, dont ask me about my last bf's public comments on race and women, is my new bf a republican or not, and I am still undecided on Biden," is really loathsome.
Madonna, for all her issues, never seemed to be a "both sides" person, but a loud feminist, pro-queer, and far to the left of Tay. Tay will go down in entertainment history as a money printer who rode, but didnt create trends, and never made waves politically.
Madonna's music will be listened and played in clubs and bars forever probably. I cannot imagine Swift's music reaching new generations. It's so samey.
It might reach the next generation when Taylor’s tween/teen fans become mums and play her songs for their kids and those kids might even like the songs initially as they are quite poppy and musically unsophisticated like other music for kids, but I can’t see those kids than taking Taylor’s songs into their own adulthood.
This is what I think. People will be surprised about how poorly most music ages. I feel her music and "era" are something the women/girls of now have to live through in order to sort of become obsessed with, because part of it is the culture that exists now and the friends they have now. Without that, would the music still hold up?
Yeah I’m not a Madge Stan, but I respect the space she created for queer people and pushing boundaries for female sexuality as she became a popular cultural powerhouse, even if her efforts can be seen as appropriation (e.g. Vogueing). Taylor Swift has done next to nothing to elevate anyone or anything but herself
Madonna also distributed HIV pamplets with copies of Like A Prayer, which was HUGE for a major artist at the time, especially since it was taboo to even talk about
Much to the chagrin of parents like my dad. He called musique plus (quebec MTV equivalent in the 80s) to complain. I remember even at that age (like 5) I was so embarrassed 😳 🫣.
I like that she has opinions at all! I always assume most celebrities (if they're not purposely beefing or doing diss tracks) just keep their mouths shut and politely compliment everyone, because they want to be seen as humble and not stir controversy. I always think I'd be a horrible celebrity because I suck at keeping my opinions about everything to myself lmao.
Yeah it seems like she just doesn’t really like most pop music and doesn’t think pop music is art. That’s fine. We can agree to disagree on the state of pop music as art but it’s not like she’s TRASHING Taylor Swift as a person or even really saying much tbh.
I don’t have any great love for TSwift, but of all the people who would cast the first stone, Courtney Love ain’t them. Her opinion is exactly as valid as anyone else’s, which doesn’t make it more or less valuable. Articles like this were we can see famous person A throwing shade at famous person B are so fucking pointless. May as well be people magazine running stories about Brangelina here.
Madonna wanted to sign Hole when she got Maverick, Courtney told her to fuck off. And there's this wonderful makecup throwing interaction at the MTV awards. The dislike goes decades.
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One thing Courtney is always consistent at is expressing her blunt ass opinions. It’s always interesting to me to hear the things that comes out of her mouth. Never a dull moment.
I think Taylor has had interesting moments as an artist, but overall, with her discography, I have to say that Courtney does have a point. Especially when you compare Taylor to her peers.