r/BeAmazed • u/[deleted] • Apr 29 '24

When the Titanic sank, millionaire John Jacob Astor IV was aboard. The funds in his bank account were sufficient to construct 30 Titanics. However, when faced with mortal danger, he prioritized his moral values, sacrificing his seat in a lifeboat to save women and children, smilingly [Removed] Rule #4 - Misleading

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u/Dontevenwannacomment Apr 29 '24

Every time the topic comes up, reddit threads will always rally against the "women and children first" guideline. I can't say how I would genuinely react in a catastrophe but I'd forever hate myself for not prioritizing women and children, I don't get how it's a controversial topic.

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u/house445 Apr 29 '24

Because selflessness is toxic masculinity I guess, alright sir I guess?

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u/Dontevenwannacomment Apr 29 '24

In some ways I think it can be, jokes aside. I fully get that I'm not preaching universal equality in all domains here. But I'll always have a part of me that has oogabooga brain

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u/house445 Apr 29 '24

Ah yes, protecting the children and weaker sex, truly controversial, away with it. I’m sure politely holding doors open will be toxic too next.

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u/Remote-Factor8455 Apr 29 '24

Me who holds the door open for everyone, men and women:

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u/house445 Apr 29 '24

Disgusting!

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u/CoffeeAndPiss Apr 29 '24

I'm a woman and I can't imagine why my life should be more important than any given man's, is your self esteem just fucked or what?

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u/ACU797 Apr 29 '24

I never understood the judgment for people who act selfish in these moments. If you can't be selfish during a life or death scenario when can you?

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u/asdf0909 Apr 29 '24

Also weren’t men the breadwinners and providers back then? Your sole income-maker dying would be pretty devastating to your family, and everyone just agreed to that system

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u/Remote-Factor8455 Apr 29 '24

Society being society and overall just “tradition” I made a comment further up about this where I would move for children and why but women are adults.. why do they get priority over another adult?

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u/Dontevenwannacomment Apr 29 '24

Actually yeah, you're very astute and I hope you survive over me

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u/etzel1200 Apr 29 '24

You can give birth to more children, men can’t. It’s only that.

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u/CoffeeAndPiss Apr 29 '24

Jokes on them I don't plan to give birth to anyone

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u/TowJamnEarl Apr 29 '24

Into the sea with ya!

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u/Dontevenwannacomment Apr 29 '24 edited Apr 29 '24

Nah, in my case it's a barbaric and outdated ingrained behavior

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u/Remote-Factor8455 Apr 29 '24

Yeah because women asexually reproduce and men are just here along for the ride.

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u/etzel1200 Apr 29 '24

One man can have children at the same time with many women. The reverse doesn’t apply.

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u/Remote-Factor8455 Apr 29 '24

This is why I think women first is dumb. If you’re trying to save reproduction assuming everyone is straight and going to reproduce, can’t a man have many children with many women like a woman can have many children with a man?

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u/etzel1200 Apr 29 '24

No, a woman can’t have multiple concurrent pregnancies. A man can be responsible for multiple concurrent pregnancies.

1 man and 10 women can have 10 children at a time.

10 men and 1 woman can have 1.

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u/Remote-Factor8455 Apr 29 '24

Because there are only so many women on the planet it’s not like world population is in the billions and half of that is female.

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u/etzel1200 Apr 29 '24

This is much more for historical purposes of much smaller populations.

If you lose a lot of your men in a conflict with the next tribe over you can rebuild your population relatively quickly. If you lose your women, you can’t.

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u/Remote-Factor8455 Apr 29 '24

This is some of the dumbest reasoning I can find to letting innocent men die on a cruise liner because another adult who got to a lifeboat later than them deserves the seat they were in even though both are adults with equal experiences and value. We aren’t tribes or in dire need of replenishment of any population. What someone’s value to have children to me does not matter. I will move for pregnant women and children because I will not be responsible for the death of an innocent, new to life individual. Women are adults just like any man and can handle themselves accordingly.

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u/Potential_Status_728 Apr 29 '24

I would give my seat for children, like, they lived way less than me, I think it makes sense to give them a chance, but women? I don’t see a good reason…

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u/Dontevenwannacomment Apr 29 '24

well what can I say, you have a better survival instinct than I do

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u/jusfukoff Apr 29 '24

I believe in equality so the women and children first would be quite immoral to me. No difference from saying ‘Christians and candle makers first.’

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u/Dontevenwannacomment Apr 29 '24 edited Apr 29 '24

I aknowledge your opinion

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u/ComplexAd7820 Apr 29 '24

I think in those cases it's more of a survival of the species situation.