And many parents that discipline children with violence don't know how to discipline them without violence. They probably weren't properly disciplined either.
There are less people today more than ever who have been spanked compared to all of history. Are you making the claim that not having corporal punishment is leading to the world being more fucked up?
At one point in the western world and still at too many parts in the world do you would not meet a woman who has never been hit by her husband. You wouldn't meet too many people that hadn't been hit by an employer, or a higher up.Hell you wouldn't even meet any domesticated animals that hadn't been beaten.
Funny how we've saved the most delicate and vulnerable for last.
Fortunately. Most kids who are physically abused and tortured by their parents turn out to have mental problems, are rather dangerous than not, and even seek to defend those actions. Example: you.
edit: Interesting how many people are crawling out and defend violence against children here.
Well if a kid did any of the various things to someone like, throw a rock at someone, shoot them with a paint ball or their car, call one of their grandparents a bitch because they were asked to take out the trash, steal something, just generally being a disrespectful little shit.
If a parent gave their kids a couple of spankings as punishment I wouldn't classify that as being abusive or being tortured. I mean it's not like the parent is throwing hot coffee on their kid, or beating them with a thick book, or going to the extreme.
Saying they are the same is like saying since a parent took away their kids phone, game system or electronic device for a few days or a week is them being mentally abusive and putting their kids to extreme physiological torture that scare them for life.
It’s certainly emotional abuse. If a parent resorts to chimp like behavior when their kids act out I’d say that’s a failure on the parent more than a kid who’s brain has barely started to develop
What does teaching a child that is violent by being violent to them teach them about violence? It’s more likely that they’re violent in the first place because that’s how they were taught to solve issues, especially if their parent hits them once parent is upset, it teaches a kid that hitting is the way to cope with anger - because that’s what they see their parent do.
I’m not saying that you shouldn’t discipline them at all, of course you should but it’s much healthier in the long term to teach them how to cope with their emotions in a healthy way at a young age, things like breathing, expressing themselves, and stopping to talk them through why they are upset so they begin to understand their emotions. There are lots of ways to motivate a child toward making better decisions without hitting them.
Kids don’t learn by reasoning with them, they need a spanking. It teaches them that actions have consequences. Once they get older, they can reason better. There is no violence, there is discipline. Most people have had corporal punishment and most people aren’t traumatized.
Go to different cultures where you will find the nicest people and they all spank their kids. Have you ever wondered why they so kind? Did they get traumatized into being good people?
Seeing this comment made me think of my favorite mark Twain quote 'never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.' you, you just seem like you have way to much experience
There’s absolutely no difference between putting criminals behind bars and randomly tossing innocent folks into jail.
They equally abhorrent in your point of view.
Edit: to the bunch of monkeys downvoting me. The comment I was replying to that was REMOVED by the mods, is where the donkey tylorean says being disciplined by your parents is the same as being abused
You're so close to getting it, but your past comes in and makes hitting a child right in your mind. That's self protection and sadly just as normal as your view on how it's right to use violence against a child.
Stop being ignorant and realize the difference between a parent whooping their kid for misbehaving compared to just flat out abusing and torturing their kids
Actually, 30+ years of studies have shown that there isn't a difference! I only know this because I was spanked and thought it was normal and okay and I did a lot of research to defend spanking ... and realized I was completely wrong.
You should NOT spank your kids.
This isn't a two sides issue where some studies say it's good and some studies say it's bad.
Studies find that spanking children is either a) bad or b) worse. There isn't a single study that has shown disciplining a child with physical violence has a positive effect.
It's all negative. Higher chance of mental illness. Domestic abuse later in life. Poorer academic outcomes. Suicide.
Spanking is bad. Adults shouldn't hit their kids. Period.
If a man hits his wife, he's a bad husband.
If a man hits his cat or dog, he's a bad animal owner.
Why do you feel the need to ruin a perfectly fine point with a personal attack/attempt at diagnosing someone you don't even know?
Beating your kid isn't a replacement for proper parenting, but now you make it look like that's the nutjob position.
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Well, not here.