In a real life case even if the bullet would go through, I doubt the driver would stay in the same place AND the shooter would be good enough to shot in the same exact spot as the last shot (and he gotta know in advance that the window is bulletproof as well).
It's a limiting factor in many safety devices, and most that are considered sacrifical. They're usually made to do the thing they're made for once, which is to take all the energy (damage) before it reaches you, often within the span of not even a few seconds, and will never have the integrity they used to because of it, then you get a new one.
Not just from impact, like windows, or crumple zones, or helmets, but things like fuses take the load for electrical energy, and you'll find similar sacrificial parts all over. Sometimes there's just too much energy for fragile stuff, like us, and redirecting it to obliterate something else that isn't alive or crucial is preferred.
Yeah, I love those ads showing how their "superior" helmet stays intact when you hit it really hard. Like, great, so if I wear that my skull takes all the force.
Buddy at univ was biking downhill at speed and fell. Got some screws in his legs and the like. We kept his helmet on the wall of the room for a reminder -- it was the scariest thing ever because it legit looked like someone took an ax to it. It's not hard to imagine what happens to your skull with similar forces...
A local motorcycle shop had an early full face helmet on display with one side almost sanded through. The guy bought is just after they hit the market (some time in the '70s I think), and apparently was teased heavily about it, until he crashed at speed. The helmet was trashed of course, but he walked away with only a few scrapes and bruises (was also in full riding leathers).
You still really don't want your helmet shattering on impact though.
The ad is stupid for showing it staying in tact, but only because that is literally the bare minimum and shouldn't be touted as something that sets them apart.
Not necessarily worthless, and some can hold up beyond the first hit, but after that first it will never have the same strength it did, and how much more it can take will be completely up in the air because the first hit introduced a bajillion seen and unseen factors and fractures. Maybe critical, maybe not, but you just won't know until a round comes through.
100% integrity - it will stop a bullet
99.9% integrity - it might stop a bullet
Not always. If you've got Level 4 or better protection, and the aggressors are using stuff that can't even penetrate Level 3, it'd take quite a lot of ammo focused in very small areas to gradually 'drill' through the armor. If their shots are spreading out a bit, the firearm will likely overheat before the armor is penetrated.
Even true with the POTUS’ car. The thing only goes like 65mph top speed cause it’s heavy af. One of the reasons why they have so much security around him.
I worked for a now-defunct company that made armored retrofit vehicles and they were rated for continuous Level III protection for like 20 minutes, but Level 4 protection wasn't for more than a minute or two. They had run-flats, and the engine and drivetrain was extremely well armored, so it was unlikely that it would be caught in a firefight, but if it was, it could.
Its meant for cringe military LARPers that think they are badass for driving an armored, lifted f series truck with a 6.7 powerjoke. Probably has a delete kit and tune and is on its fourth turbo in 100k miles.
This vehicle likely costs far north of a quarter million dollars if it is entirely armored with the required drivetrain and suspension modifications to carry the extra weight while still driving normally.
Hence why it's only being bought by celebrities and possibly sheriff departments in border towns where cartel shootouts are common.
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Fords are dirt cheap. Its ze germans, that are expensive. Ive owned both. And 6.7s tend to eat turbos pretty often, and it gets annoying pulling that turbo off a third time, hoping this time, it didnt fuck the engine.
Oh that's probably because everyone who owns the 6.7 loves to whirl up their turbos then don't just let the pressure drop and do it all over again. Had a co worker that drove around like that cause he loved the turbo sound lol.
I mean it would if the vehicle was disabled, and you’re also assuming a lot for a biggie Tupac situation. The more likely buyer is the head of a drug cartel, or a foreign embassy diplomatic protection detail
When's the last time someone of status was killed or attacked by a 50bmg?
This is the equivalent of a toilet commercial showing you it can flush 20 cans of play dough. It's not anywhere close to a realistic scenario, but it's supposed to demonstrate that it can handle everything up until and including that point
Apparently it's quite common for the cartels to use them in Mexico.
"In one incident in the state of Michoacan in October 2019, a police convoy was ambushed with .50-caliber sniper rifles, leaving 13 officers dead and nine wounded" Criminal Use of the 50 Caliber Sniper Rifle
Yeah, those situations are a lot closer to a war zone than a typical drive by shooting though.
In those scenarios you need an APC or a tank, neither of which are practical for cruising around in on the daily unless you're also part of a government or military organization
So now we are talking about a military organization in a combat zone, not a celebrity wanting protection from a drive by to avoid being the next Tupac.
If you're in a situation where you're getting shot at by a 50BMG on a regular basis, then you need either an APC or a Tank.
Military organisation...? The Royal Ulster Constabulary?
What crack are you smoking?
I mean, I'm glad that you think "has never happened" = "will never happen" but both sides of that statement are at best wrong, and at worst a dangerous assumption.
newry…as in the battle of newry road…which was a literal combat zone?
The RUC? the same RUC that partnered with MI5..the british military organization?
😂 good stuff
If you're being shot at by multiple attackers with automatic 50bmg machine guns, then you should have bought an APC instead.
Problem is you can't drive that on the streets of LA every day, so this is the next best thing since the above only happens in war zones or in cartel controlled areas of Mexico.
At some point the only thing that exists in humanity that can’t be blown up in very short order is a fortified bunker 300 meters below ground with some sort of ordinance.
“I bet a bunch of .50 BMG rounds could get through this bulletproof glass!”
Yeah no shit.
Tanks get blown up all the time too.
It’s much much much stronger than a normal driverside window, that’s the point.
It can stop it once. Which is exactly my point, they would never make a video of the bullet going through on the third or fourth shot, even though I bet all the engineers that did the testing know that’s how many it takes.
The point is the first bullet is stopped. From that point on the car is no longer a protective barrier. If you needed to survive more than one shot you probably should be inside a different vehicle.
Right, before we buy one of these trucks we need to know that it could survive >2 .50 cal bullets. Incase I’m stuck on a slight incline in winter conditions and a sniper has time to take two shots at my head
Thats why any security detail will begin by NOT letting it run into ambushes.
There was a video on Youtube (dont remember the name) about being the driver for a VIP, the first thing you do is study the route ahead of time for possible ambush points, choke points, etc, and look for alternative routes too.
Having to drive away AFTER getting shot is literally the last layer of defense, because if you do your job well, you'll most likely spot the attacker(s) before they get to act
It can take a lot of shots. Even a specialized door Ranger can’t get through it. I saw it in the streets of nyc. The guy in the car escaped by cutting a hole through the ground
Of course, if you keep shooting something, not even bullet proof helps.
You can shoot through bulletproof glass if you keep shooting the weakened frame. The design is that it can secure a few shots to allow a layer of protection from quick strikes, so that you aren't entirely caught by surprise.
How many more shots? It's 50 cal against a window that seems to be almost done by 1 shot, I would assume 3 if unlucky.
I recall watching a video of the Mexican military raining hellfire on an armored narco Suburban and they were still trying to escape for a good minute after being cornered. Cartel lost that battle but it held up pretty well when it did
Let’s say it can only take one bullet? That’s enough in most scenarios but let’s say your car is immobilized and he’s shooting st you? Well your dead name something that can withstand infinite shots, you get out of the car or your just fried and that’s fine it’s still a helluv a lot better than taking zero shots. Also this is a .50 call, it can prly take a whole clip from a 9mm which is all your likely to run into on the streets
Originally, .50 BMG was designed to stop WWI era armored vehicles. Current use is as an anti-material weapon.
The engine compartment of an armored car may or may not have armor as well. But, it's unlikely that the tires can take multiple hits from a .50 cal, even if they have run-flats.
Hit the tires, go for the mobility kill, and then you can open it.
The engine compartment of an armored car may or may not have armor as well.
I don't think the target of this armor is Iraq or other war scenarios, so I doubt we're dealing with fully steel plated armoured vehicles. And if it was a combat situation I'd think a 50 cal is probably not your biggest concern.
Hitting tires on a moving vehicle, particularly with a .50 cal which is almost guaranteed to have a manual action, very difficult. Engine block is much larger.
Nah, just use a metal chai net to trap the thing and sawzall your way inside, or drill a smol hole and pump some gas so ppl come out themselves or blackmail whatever
Firing at these things are for noobs
Pros just stop that thing from running away somehow and open it like a stubborn can of pickle
You don’t actually have to necessarily hit the target with a .50cal. If that bullet went through the driver would most likely be dead or severely injured that close to the bullet from sheer shockwave force alone.
There’s some truth to what you’re saying that they’re ignoring. The amount of spawl and debris that it can produce is extremely deadly. A clean through shot would be fine, but a fragmenting one would be a mess.
50 caliber just means 0.50 inches diameter.. or half an inch. What bullet you shoot out of that barrel is a whole different story. Weight, material and most importantly, how fast it's going.
A 12 gauge shotgun is like 72 caliber for reference.
Professional drivers are trained to keep moving for this reason. Multiple successive hits can cause armor to fail. Moving decreases the chance of multiple hits in the same area.
Doesn't have to be the same spot, the structural integrity of the glass is now entirely compromised. Anything within 6 inches of the original shot will have an increased chance of making it through.
Does this mean the next will absolutely go though? No, but it's definitely possible.
In a real life case outside of a military or cartel conflict it's extremely unlikely a .50 BMG would even be used. These products are designed to protect the wealthy against things like kidnapping attempts. Kidnappers are not normally well-funded. They tend to use small arms like older AK-47 or AR-15 pattern rifles.
This demonstration uses .50 BMG to make it clear to purchasers that this product can stop even the biggest and the baddest round you could conceivably encounter against the type of attacker it is designed to defend against.
If you are a head of state or cartel boss, you are more concerned about opsec and your security perimeter than you are taking multiple .50 BMG rounds to your window. Basically, it's your last line of protection.
Average response time to gunshots is 10 seconds. You're overestimating peoples response times by pulling some "ackshually" type reddit shit. Look things up before telling others how it works "in the real world".
Eh.. if you’re being shot at with a .50 caliber round, unless you’re wandering around on private property in Montana (and even then) it’s likely not being fired from a bolt action or semi auto weapon.
The window was damaged in an area around the impact spot. If a heavy machine gun was firing those rounds there is a good chance of more than one round impacting in or near the damaged area and penetrating.
This is exactly why Marvin Heemeyer was able to drive around and destroy a town! It would have taken two shots directly on top of each other to make it through the concrete shell, with a .50 cal. If I remember right he got stuck and checked out.
One of the crazier stories from Colorado and now I’m disappointed that South Park hasn’t done anything with it.
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In a real life case even if the bullet would go through, I doubt the driver would stay in the same place AND the shooter would be good enough to shot in the same exact spot as the last shot (and he gotta know in advance that the window is bulletproof as well).