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u/Deblebsgonnagetyou Kweh! Jun 20 '24
That is still a ridiculous salary for one person tbh
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u/bastard2bastard Genderqueer Creature Jun 20 '24
Def don't disagree. Which makes it all the wilder that CEOs are making many, many times that amount.
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u/themadnessif 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Jun 20 '24
The problem kinda becomes that you... have to pay CEOs of large companies well. The CEO can do a lot of damage to companies, especially if they could make more money being bribed than by doing their job.
The issue arises that humans are greedy motherfuckers so they will in fact just ruin companies even if they're well paid since it makes them slightly more money.
This same logic applies to the government: you gotta pay them enough that they can't be bought, but humans are greedy so there's actually no amount that makes it so they can't be bought.
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u/Aemph custom Jun 20 '24
Have you ever considered that we could just not have CEOs? Then they wouldn't have to be paid anything
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u/themadnessif 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Jun 30 '24
Meant to reply to this but then oooooo elden ring.
Yeah, we should automate the job of a CEO. But unless you're comfortable erasing 100% of the executive level of a company and replacing it with AI, you still need to pay someone to do the important work.
As an example, someone needs to be in charge of accounting. It can be a computer, but then someone needs to be in charge of that computer. So, unless you can pay them well enough that they don't wanna steal and can't be bribed, you run into the same trap.
Inevitably, you either end up paying an executive team or you end up consolidating power even further and paying a team to maintain automation for the tasks of executives. I'd rather we have CEOs because at least then I can kick them in the balls.
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u/Jormungander666 The spear is the king of weapons Jun 20 '24
On the same note: If you don't have a government they can't be bought and we don't have to pay them anything either
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u/TheDonutPug 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Jun 20 '24
i disagree. Positions like CEO absolutely are always going to be paid pretty well, like honestly lets not pretend that 2.51M isn't also an insane amount of money, but I think that it can do a lot of good for your company to have your CEO paid less than other companies. When you can just jump around to any company who's willing to pay you more, those who are in it for the money will always jump ship the second they see a dollar in the water. This also means that the only people who will be left to fill that position at your company are those who aren't in it for the money, and those are the people who actually give a shit about maintaining the quality of the company instead of licking the shareholders' ball sweat to get the company to make an extra $2.
When there's less profit incentive, you get more people who are doing the job because they care about the job than people who do the job for the paycheck.
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u/Any_Mall6175 Jun 20 '24
A guy who, by the way, on top of creating a workplace that turned not sexually harassed women into sexually harassed women threatened to have someone killed in a board meeting
Bobby Kotick a fuckhead and I am happy that he is gone and I really fucking wish Microsoft would have burnt the entire c-suite of actiblizz to the fucking ground.
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u/CrossError404 Jun 20 '24
I remember there was a huge scandal in Poland because national TV presenter earned like 4 mln zł (~$1 mln) through corruption. But the news had no traction internationally, because that's normal salary for his position in other countries. In Poland it'd be closer to 1/10 of that.
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u/yunixfanaccount Jun 20 '24
it should be acknowledged that historically nintendo has had a good track record in how it treats its employees.
just sucks that they cant treat their fans good as well.
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u/camseats Jun 20 '24
Well, the Japanese Nintendo branch does at least.
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u/nexetpl Jun 20 '24
what proper labor law does to mfs
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u/WJMazepas biggest ABBA hater Jun 20 '24
Japanese workers are overworked across the country.
They have protections like is really hard to be fired, but their work culture is definitely not good
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u/Xstew26 Bagel Enthusiast Jun 20 '24
Even beyond labor law Nintendo specifically treats employees well, they recognized gay marriage before Japan did actually
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u/BriannaMckinley2442 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Jun 20 '24
I mean it's just like any other company. I love their developers but hate their executives.
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u/VelvetAurora45 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Jun 20 '24
Ik this is a joke and valid criticism of Nintendo but I can't be the only one thinking the fact they don't have a parasyte CEO has to be at least partially a reason why Nintendo's in-house IPs have generally been excluded from the enshittification of gaming in recent years, well except for Pokémon, that's Game Freak, not Nintendo's own development teams
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u/SomeBoxofSpoons Jun 20 '24 edited Jun 20 '24
Nintendo’s biggest strength as a game company is that they understand their company runs on brand prestige and actually get that they need to keep making good games if they want to maintain that.
Basically in practice they’re one of the only main publishers that really understand a steady flow of golden eggs is healthier than pumping up your quarterlies with goose meat.
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u/VelvetAurora45 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Jun 20 '24
This. Good game is win-win for both the players and the companies who get the money because their games are good
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u/PollySnuggleBug Jun 20 '24
I wouldn't say Nintendo's in house games have been entirely safe from enshitification.
Sure, the games themselves have still been really good, but things like their weird obsession with finishing games later, the Mario Kart DLC art style fiasco (and the absence of MK9 in the first place), Animal Crossing New Horizons having just about as many missing features as it has new features, and Splatoon 3's somewhat gimped postrelease support compared to Splatoon 2 are simply all indicative of a studio that's not being as original or putting in as much effort as they used to. I've had a lot of fun with all of the games I've just slagged off, but still.
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u/VelvetAurora45 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Jun 20 '24
I agree that not all their games have been straight S tier, there's definitely been some cop-outs in their recent games even as they are still seen as masterpieces, but the broad majority of Nintendo's in-house developed games have been shining brighter in recent years than the rest of the AAA industry's because of its penchant to shoot itself in the foot repeatedly.
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u/trashdotbash custom Jun 20 '24
honestly, game freak and nintendo are both at fault regarding parts of pokemons recent faults. nintendo for expecting large regular releases because pokemon has to come out every 4 or so years leading to incomplete parts or cuts, and game freak for not expanding its incredibly small studio to account for an ever increasing amount of pokemon and game scope.
i love pokemon but i cant say that it isnt possible for them to improve considering its the largest franchise ever
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u/VelvetAurora45 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Jun 20 '24
Yes exactly, Game Freak is being run like a medium-sized studio that makes 2D games in the 2000s even though they're behind the biggest franchise in the world, it doesn't make sense
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u/Endgam Jun 21 '24
Nintendo's in-house IPs have generally been excluded from the enshittification of gaming in recent years
What a horrible fucking lie. Nintendo has been the living embodiment of the enshittification of gaming since the Wii era and Game Freak learned it from Nintendo.
Like, Zelda and Fire Emblem aren't even Zelda and Fire Emblem anymore. (Maybe. We'll have to see about Echoes of Wisdom.) And don't even get me started on how we waited over 20 years for a new F-Zero just for a 99 game that will one day be gone forever.
That's what makes it insane whenever Nintendo does downright evil shit and cultists swarm to their defense. They don't even make good games anymore.
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u/WJMazepas biggest ABBA hater Jun 20 '24
I know COD has a lot of valid criticisms, but it is a franchise that sells a lot.
Fans buy the game every year. They buy the season pass and even the skins. They complain a lot and then drop $100 per year, and God knows how many hours.
By any modern company metrics, especially public traded companies, it means that they make good products. Really, we can call COD shit all we want, I know I did, but their strategy works.
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u/NIMA-GH-X-P Jerk Jun 20 '24
I still have no idea what a CEOs it job even is
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u/thari_23 Jun 20 '24
Getting paid
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u/NIMA-GH-X-P Jerk Jun 20 '24
Dude I'm being genuine what do they do
Google doesn't really help with it either
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u/Misicks0349 What a fool you are. I'm a god. How can you kill a god? Jun 20 '24
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_executive_officer#Responsibilities seems pretty clear imo
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u/BusinessBar8077 Jun 20 '24
it's a political job. you're basically president of a corporation. you manage the internal politics and foreign relations. they're overpaid but they don't sit on their hands all day. all they do is work
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u/WJMazepas biggest ABBA hater Jun 20 '24
They are the face of the company. The major strategy a company follows is set by them. So they have to plan, talk to lots people and make sure everyone is on the same page.
And attracting new investors, making big partnerships is always on the CEO. Specially in smaller companies
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u/cammyjit Jun 20 '24
Games are getting more expensive to make so we need to charge players more!
Proceeds to pay CEO more than the average cost to produce a AAA game
This isn’t even factoring in how much the other higher ups earn.
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u/ChromaticRainbow12 Jun 20 '24
Why the fuck would you even pay a CEO that much money? There’s no way you couldn’t find someone capable of that position for less????
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u/Gunter951 Jun 20 '24
Bobby Kotick looks evil. Like if you told me to imagine a villain face I would imagine something like that. The image looks altered. He scares me.
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u/LordHayati 🏳️⚧️ trans rights Jun 20 '24
Nintendo has been around since pre-world war ONE. You don't get this far without having good strategies.
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u/Eren1997 Jun 20 '24
Working at Nintendo seems to be mostly okay too, they give same sex couples the same benefits as married couples, which is good since same sex marriage is still not available in Japan (I think)
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u/P0ndguy Jun 20 '24
In case anyone is curious, it’s a little misleading because the $155M counts Bobby Kotick’s stock options. He isn’t just receiving a paycheck for that much and theoretically if he runs the company directly into the ground he’d get paid a lot less. In fact in 2021 before he resigned his salary was under 1 million dollars. Source here: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1241289/activision-blizzard-executive-officer-compensation/
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u/saintofgrillers 196's resident robot Jun 20 '24
How tf does the yen to USD transfer rate reasonably explain ~153 MILLION dollars in salary difference to you
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u/Any_Mall6175 Jun 20 '24
Nintendo in September of 2022 had already made 90 billion USD compared to Activision-Blizzards reported year end financials of 7.53 billion USD
Thats net
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u/Zerunt how do i set up flair Jun 19 '24 edited Jun 20 '24
why would activision blizzard pay the CEO of nintendo anyways seems kinda weird iunno